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Apple Removes Competitor Antenna Performance Comparisons From Site

avanpelt said:
I agree.

Apple didn't release any of the situational information about their supposed "tests". They didn't tell us where the tests were conducted, when the tests were conducted, etc. If they really wanted their videos to be believable, they should have gone to multiple locations around the world and conducted the tests with each phone at the same locations. Then, they should've told everyone where the locations were so their tests could be tried by others.

Their little "experiments" showed nothing of substance because in order for a hypothesis to be proven (all smartphones have the same the same attenuation/call drop problems that the iPhone 4 has), it has to able to be replicated without fail by someone other than Apple.

There are no big stories of people clammering to return their Droid Xs, n97s, HTC handsets, or Samsung handsets because of dropped calls because, quite frankly, those phones don't drop calls like the iPhone 4. Sure, those phones each have their weak points and problems, but for Apple to assert that those phones share the same weaknesses that the iPhone 4 has (dropping calls) is absurd.

Don't even get me started on the iPhone 4s problems with the proximity sensor. I'm waiting to see if the same PR "geniuses" that released the videos supposedly showing the competition's phones having signal attenuation problems will release another round of videos showing that other smartphones have proximity sensor problems, too.

I haven't had a single proximity sensor problem (or dropped call, I might add) on my Droid X since I purchased the phone almost three weeks ago. I had one or both of those problems with nearly all of the hundreds of calls I made in the three weeks I had the iPhone 4. That's the bottom line for me. And here I sit, able to make crystal clear calls without hanging up on people with my cheek while people are still posting on Apple's discussion boards wondering when Apple will release iOS 4.1--which might potentially fix the proximity sensor problem they're having--no guarantees.
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Great, now you’re happy? My i4 has been flawless for me!
If your so happy with your Droid X why are you here trying to convince us, I believe you, but it sounds like your still trying to convince yourself you like it? My friend did the Droid X and he liked it until he played with my i4 and then did the exact opposite of you and took Droid X back and got i4. He is now very happy!:cool::apple:
 
*LTD* said:
Wrong. LOL

Or did you mean in front of the minority of trolls and regular contrarians on Apple fansites? In that case, yes. Not that it really matters.
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You live in your own little fanboy world LTD.

2 words... LENO, LETTERMAN​

Once you become the subject of pop culture ridicule, people notice.

I guess they're trolls too? Btw, most cell phone and iPhone users are NOT on Apple fan sites or Macrumors.

Everyone who criticizes or makes fun of Apple or Steve Jobs is a troll to you!
You must live in his pants or something. LOL
 
citrate said:
EVERYONE? Really? So not a single person has a problem with their iPhone 4 on here? I must have been reading a different forum for the past month or so. Your post has no credibility.
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Your response has no credibilty. Macrumors isn't a destination. Here means in a country with a good network.
 
I am glad the iPhone 4 has released in Hong Kong and I can finally see for myself what all the fuss is about.

I have tried 3 different iPhone 4s and none of them have this antenna problem. My friends who have the iPhone 4 on different networks are not experiencing any issues either.

Apple need to break away from AT&T. It's obviously just a piece of ***** network.
 
Has anyone considered iOS 4 for being the cause of the antenna signal drop?
Ever since I upgraded my 3G to iOS 4, its signal has decreased dramatically, and I've experienced way more dropped calls than ever.
My wife's 3G is still on 3.1.2, and when compared side-by-side, hers has better antenna reception, both indoors and outdoors.

I tried going back to 3.1.3 but had issues, so I'm back up to 4.0.1, still experiencing the low antenna signal and slowness.

I'm glad they removed the comparisons from the site. They were acting kind of childish - reminded me of the Mac vs PC commercials.
 
Becordial said:
Your response has no credibilty. Macrumors isn't a destination. Here means in a country with a good network.
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Ahhh so the offical definition for "here" means "in a country"... Hmmmm

So tell me, which country are you referring to where EVERYONE has a perfect iPhone 4?
 
kernkraft said:
Finally, you register on a few tech blogs and off you go: you can call anybody a troll who don't share your freaky obsession with some computer equipment and gadgets. To create the impression that you are younger than you really are, use plenty of LOLs.
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And camping a forum dedicated to a particular manufacturer but doing nothing but griping about that manufacturer's products, business practices and customers is called what exactly? :rolleyes:

Apparently there are cultists living on both sides of the fence.
 
ortuno2k said:
Has anyone considered iOS 4 for being the cause of the antenna signal drop?

I tried going back to 3.1.3 but had issues, so I'm back up to 4.0.1, still experiencing the low antenna signal and slowness.
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I experienced the same problem shortly before I bought the iP4. AC told me it has to do with "accuracy" of reading the signal's strength. Take it for what it's worth. I think Apple is coming out with a "fix" soon. I'm sure KnightWRX has a more educated comment for you though...
 
tofa.nheu said:
ROFL, just played with my mates new iPhone 4g in Australia. Put my thumb on the little part connecting the antenna. BOOM No effect (hardly), turns out that Australian mobile network is more powerful than the American one? Who would have known.
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Most wireless network outside US, like in Europe and Asia, are more powerful and faster..except of course for the whiners network, they are more louder in US. :D
 
ortuno2k said:
Has anyone considered iOS 4 for being the cause of the antenna signal drop?
Ever since I upgraded my 3G to iOS 4, its signal has decreased dramatically, and I've experienced way more dropped calls than ever.
My wife's 3G is still on 3.1.2, and when compared side-by-side, hers has better antenna reception, both indoors and outdoors.

I tried going back to 3.1.3 but had issues, so I'm back up to 4.0.1, still experiencing the low antenna signal and slowness.

I'm glad they removed the comparisons from the site. They were acting kind of childish - reminded me of the Mac vs PC commercials.
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I actually loved the Mac vs. PC commercials because at least they were funny and light hearted even if sometimes exaggerated with regards to PC problems.
Although having used VISTA and even Windows 7 now, it's hard to argue that they weren't mostly spot on. I have to use a Windows PC for one of my jobs and I constantly shake my head and think to myself, why is it so difficult to do something on this damn thing that's so darn easy to do on a MAC, even a PPC Mac that's OLD? LOL

These iPhone Antennagate videos just reeked of failure and desperation and staged phony proof designed to fool people deliberately. And there's no humor in that even if some of the videos were accurate.

And I would bet Apple legal had them pulled, and not at Steve Jobs request.
 
LagunaSol said:
Apparently there are cultists living on both sides of the fence.
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This is where a few of you are completely wrong. It is not a fence and there are not two sides to these arguments. You don't have to be a troll just because you have issues with Apple Inc. Also, you don't have to hate just because you refuse to accept whatever a corporation's own interests dictate.

This is not a game of one or another.


EDIT: Only for extremists.
 
citrate said:
Ahhh so the offical definition for "here" means "in a country"... Hmmmm

So tell me, which country are you referring to where EVERYONE has a perfect iPhone 4?
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It's in the list of countries that have had the phone released in the last few days. What it shows is that all iP4 users are very happy with the phone and the signal "issue" is non-existent.
 
Becordial said:
It's in the list of countries that have had the phone released in the last few days. What it shows is that all iP4 users are very happy with the phone and the signal "issue" is non-existent.
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So where did you get this information because I'm guessing that you haven't spoken to every iPhone 4 user in these countries? I'm guessing that you've heard from a couple of people who haven't reproduced the issue yet and therefore it's non existant and everyone that has reported the issue is simply lying?
 
They did their job. Good move taking them down. They'd just have had to keep updating it with new models anyway and it'd already started getting silly with the late additions.

Apple never claimed they were accurate for 100% of usage of the phones in question either.. Anyone claiming foul play seems to be missing that. If the nokia goes into power saving mode during a cycle then its still normal usage, and perfectly legit.
 
mixel said:
They did their job. Good move taking them down. They'd just have had to keep updating it with new models anyway and it'd already started getting silly with the late additions.

Apple never claimed they were accurate for 100% of usage of the phones in question either.. Anyone claiming foul play seems to be missing that. If the nokia goes into power saving mode during a cycle then its still normal usage, and perfectly legit.
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Is that you in your profile pic, and if so, are you a male or female?
 
archipellago said:
Die Apple...

Die awfully, slowly and painfully.

Embarrassing and shameful way to do business.
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LOL why?

Without Apple the industry would be lost. Still be running ancient WinMo trash, "tablet" PCs that no one wants, bad UIs, etc. The industry is lazy and unimaginative enough. Take Apple out of the mix and you'll be set back a few years.

Apple's killing it in iPhone sales and has dealt an effective blow to competitors. Antennagate's impact was negligible at best. No one actually cares. The iPhones just keep selling. Besides, reception is beautiful on my iPhone 4 with Rogers. The vast majority of users love it.

Of course, the Apple-envy continues unabated.
 
citrate said:
So where did you get this information because I'm guessing that you haven't spoken to every iPhone 4 user in these countries? I'm guessing that you've heard from a couple of people who haven't reproduced the issue yet and therefore it's non existant and everyone that has reported the issue is simply lying?
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I have read that Australia has not experienced the issue at all, going as far to say that their network is better than American networks. Don’t know what all this means but my i4 works awesome here in So.Cal!:cool:
:apple::apple::apple:
 
citrate said:
So where did you get this information because I'm guessing that you haven't spoken to every iPhone 4 user in these countries? I'm guessing that you've heard from a couple of people who haven't reproduced the issue yet and therefore it's non existant and everyone that has reported the issue is simply lying?
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I haven't spoke to every single user obviously but in my country there's complete satisfaction with the signal amongst everyone I know who has one, people in local forums, and everyone the newspapers have asked how the signal on their new phone is.

When you ask whether the issue has been reproduced "YET" it's clear you just want to press the unreliable view that our network or the iP4 are suddenly somehow going to deteriorate.
 
*LTD* said:
LOL why?

Without Apple the industry would be lost. Still be running ancient WinMo trash, "tablet" PCs that no one wants, bad UIs, etc. The industry is lazy and unimaginative enough. Take Apple out of the mix and you'll be set back a few years.

Apple's killing it in iPhone sales and has dealt an effective blow to competitors. Antennagate's impact was negligible at best. No one actually cares. The iPhones just keep selling. Besides, reception is beautiful on my iPhone 4 with Rogers. The vast majority of users love it.

Of course, the Apple-envy continues unabated.
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I agree with this 100%!
:apple::apple::apple:
 
rsocal said:
Great, now you’re happy? My i4 has been flawless for me!
If your so happy with your Droid X why are you here trying to convince us, I believe you, but it sounds like your still trying to convince yourself you like it? My friend did the Droid X and he liked it until he played with my i4 and then did the exact opposite of you and took Droid X back and got i4. He is now very happy!:cool::apple:
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I'm just sharing my personal experience. . .not trying to "convince myself" I like the Droid X. The iPhone 4 was not for me. I wish it had been. I loved my 3G (but couldn't get that back). If Apple took the things that the 3G did properly (antenna, proximity sensor) and built upon them with the great features of the iPhone 4 (camera quality, speed, etc.), I'd still be an iPhone 4 owner.

The bottom line for me is that the iPhone 4 failed miserably as a phone, in my experience. I don't want to pay Apple for and carry a device that is fast and takes great pictures but sucks as a phone. I have a great digital camera and don't need another $200 digital camera that also happens to run iApps.

If others can share their positive stories about the iPhone 4 (as you did), I should be afforded the same opportunity to share my less than positive experience without people jumping to irrational conclusions about my reasoning for sharing my opinion, no?
 
rsocal said:
I have read that Australia has not experienced the issue at all, going as far to say that their network is better than American networks. Don’t know what all this means but my i4 works awesome here in So.Cal!:cool:
:apple::apple::apple:
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So there are two scenarios:

1.) They've fixed the issue on the latest batch of phones
2.) All phones are affected but the Austrailian networks are more powerful which is compensating for the defect on the phone.

Either way there are people out there with iPhone 4's who really do have issues.
 
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