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Not really to do with greed. It's showing how much extra the end consumer has to pay for a transaction within an application. Same with Steam.

Fortnites skin bundles has gotten more expensive for less content, and they continue to reuse old skins and charge $15 to $20 bucks for this. The $10 dollar battle pass used to be worth it since you could buy the pass, save your v bucks from it for the next one, usually in 3 months. The new seasons have gone on for up to 6 months, encouraging kids to spend more money.

I’ve watched this. Kids bully other kids to buy the new hot skins. I’m Guessing my nephew has dropped at least $400 in fortnite skins over the last year. $10 dollars here, $20 there.

They know the game is going down hill, and this play was a way of drumming up headlines (and maybe more money) so that people will play again.

This isn’t them being the little guy (though compared to Apple everyone is).
 
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When Steve Jobs first announced the App Store he said Apple didn’t intend to make money off of it. There’s no way Apple isn’t making money off of it now. But why does Apple have to make money off of it? Why can’t they run the App Store as break even? They have to know their devices would be a lot less valuable if they didn’t have 3rd party applications. I mean would you pay $1000 for an iPhone that only had 1st party Apple apps on it?
 
this doesn't prevent anyone from playing fortnite if they already have it installed on the device, only new installations. So Epic wouldn't be hurt that badly if this gets resolved quickly.
 
The minute you can sideload apps piracy and malware is going to ruin everything great about iPhone. Those of us who care about security choose the walled garden.

You think Apple will drop the 30% cut and not just price devices higher to make up for it? You think it will hurt Apple? It will take one year for Samsung to follow along.

Think software developers aren't going to raise prices to combat lost sales due to piracy? You don't think DRM will get worse?

Do you not think Facebook/Instagram/Tiktok will go straight to another appstore and that they won't violate iPhone security writing APIs that break privacy protections in iOS 14? If Apple doesn't control the app they can't control abuse. Chrome from the chrome store we promise it doesn't monitor everything on the phone 24/7.

Don't get me started on MDM. MDM on iPhone is bareable because you know exactly what your company is doing to your device. MDM solutions will be the first to leave the appstore and do whatever they want. You think you will be able to download apps from third party appstores? Ha.

You want Amazon apps have to install the Amazon store on your phone. Want Google Apps install the google apps store. They all have thier own rules they all want your credit card in their super secure (we promise) PCI environments.

Yes this is what you all want.

Actually, we don't choose a walled garden as that's security through obscurity. We prefer a fully audited, reproducible builds, source code verification, dedicated auditing team, third party checks and verification, etc. Of course this goes off the point a little.

We aren't really asking for sideloaded apps though. The end consumer is charged too much in my opinion. There are other stores that do the exact same and are making so much money from it. We the consumer are funding this process.
 
Your post is especially ironic given that Apple gave Amazon a prime deal for Prime, a 15% fee instead of 30% in order to get Amazon Prime into the Apple ecosystem.

This is the real issue at hand. It‘s not the 30% fee or the no custom payment processing rule, it‘s the exceptions Apple makes along the way.

Special deals with app makers like amazon (lower cut and now even their own payment processing). Their whole „every app maker has to play by the same rules“ statement is riddled with plotholes.
 
The minute you can sideload apps piracy and malware is going to ruin everything great about iPhone. Those of us who care about security choose the walled garden.

You think Apple will drop the 30% cut and not just price devices higher to make up for it? You think it will hurt Apple? It will take one year for Samsung to follow along.

Think software developers aren't going to raise prices to combat lost sales due to piracy? You don't think DRM will get worse?

Do you not think Facebook/Instagram/Tiktok will go straight to another appstore and that they won't violate iPhone security writing APIs that break privacy protections in iOS 14? If Apple doesn't control the app they can't control abuse. Chrome from the chrome store we promise it doesn't monitor everything on the phone 24/7.

Don't get me started on MDM. MDM on iPhone is bareable because you know exactly what your company is doing to your device. MDM solutions will be the first to leave the appstore and do whatever they want. You think you will be able to download apps from third party appstores? Ha.

You want Amazon apps have to install the Amazon store on your phone. Want Google Apps install the google apps store. They all have thier own rules they all want your credit card in their super secure (we promise) PCI environments.

Yes this is what you all want.

What difference is this VS MacOS & Windows. 99% of all apps users use do not come from the Mac App Store or the Windows App Store. Either via the web or third party store. (Epic games store, origins, Steam). You are not forced to use the Windows store or Mac App Store. You have option to, but not required.
 
Ok so let me ask you this:

Right now Apple is trying to maintain, unlike with other streaming apps, which stream Music and Video to your device via the app store app.
Apple are saying if this app streams a game stream as opposed to a music of film stream it won't allow it, as it cannot vet and review every single game that gets streamed (though they don't with music and video streaming)

Do you personally think Apple will stick to their guns on this or back down on this eventually and allow it?

I am saying they will back down. they may give some other technical reason to cover their backing down.
But they will.........

Are you saying they won't and they will not change this policy and allow streaming game systems, like from Microsoft, Google Stadia and others around now, with more to come over the next few years?
Completely different issue. This is about companies wanting their own appstores and getting your banking information instead of Apple.

Apple needs to figure out how to handle streaming games. Basically everything needs to happen on the backend server and you are just viewing a remote desktop/game. Game get published that's trying to break out of the sandbox? Can't on iPhone. Apple also needs to figure out how to advertise they don't have any responsibility for what happens with said services. Oh the game is killing JFK? Yeah that's 100% on Microsoft.

Apple will figure that part out. That's evolution of a new service that needs to establish itself like movie and music apps. It needs to play by the same rules and restrictions of the movie and music apps too.
 
Apple is in the right.

Let’s say you make this HUGE platform for people to stand on and sell their product/services.

This platform is about 300 stories high, and anyone can take an elevator to stand on it for the world to see them. It’s the best way to sell a product.


YOU built this platform. It has built-in payment services, and a ton of other cool technologies to make your users get the most of this 300 story platform and sell their products well.

Although the users have the freedom to sell their products off your platform, and on their own website...people are complaining about the cut you take when you let users sell on your 300 ft platform.

Yet Sony’s 100 ft platform does the same thing.

What a colorful and descriptive, yet completely meaningless analogy
 
I came here to ask if there was a way to format/restore my iPad without losing the Fortnite IPA, if I can save the IPA file in the mac...

... And I just saw the update: Epic sues Apple *grabs popcorn 🍿
 
Total non-suit. They signed / agreed to the App Store policy. Nothing to sue over.
possibly that's why go the route of regulation to possible weaken such agreements legally because they are bull ****.

just like that whole price fixing over developers thing they got smacked about a few years ago such agreements were found unconstitutional.
 
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but that’s like shopping in a Walmart and the. Deciding you actually only want to pay the manufacturer. The infrastructure and shopping experience you just want to act like it’s not their. And also Apple is providing these guys tools too

While I agree with you, selling via third party is optional. You could in most cases go direct to the retailer. We the consumer/developer pay Apple to use the store (paid applications, or free) and then pay Apple for every in-game purchase. It's a bit much too be honest.
 
I am sorry, but I am with Epic on this. As much as Apple is a great company, they are on the wrong side in this case. If the Feds are watching, this will just hasten App Store regulation.

Am I wrong? In what way could Apple justify their side of this lawsuit?


they could like i said b4 sue for breach of contract butt with the antitrust the court may invalidate such agreements
 
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What difference is this VS MacOS & Windows. 99% of all apps users use do not come from the Mac App Store or the Windows App Store. Either via the web or third party store. (Epic games store, origins, Steam). You are not forced to use the Windows store or Mac App Store. You have option to, but not required.
So because you can get hit with randsomware on Windows and MacOS you should be entitled to the same danger on your iPhone!

Yes that sounds like the right direction. Apple totally doesn't get bonus points for not having to deal with these things.

Microsoft and MacOS aren't both trying to close pandoras box with Windows 10 S, Windows 10 ARM, and the upcoming MacOS ARM.

Once again you want to free for all? Buy an Android and post your credit card number on Twitter to make it easier for all the companies to get your information.
 
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So it's cool to trick kids into stealing their parents' credit cards so they can spend $7.99 on imaginary in-game currency but Apple's 30% cut is "exorbitant"? Get the F off your high horse Epic.
Only Apple customers can be happy to pay more than necessary. I suspect all the people here who are defending Apple are actually AAPL shareholders masquerading as Apple fans.
 
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