Apple Removes Parler From App Store Due to 'Inadequate' Measures to Address Dangerous Content

[Fomalhaut]

Yep. I’d say that description is pretty much exactly reichstag.

You're missing the point. If anyone had condoned and fomented BLM violence on any platform then those posts could have been (were?) rightly condemned and/or removed by moderators. Reporting on news or offering an opinion is very different from inciting violence which is why such individuals or groups are being blocked from these platforms.

e.g. I might say "George Floyd's death was murder and I support defunding the police" -> this is an opinion and a statement of support for a (non-violent) political change.
but... "Mike Pence is a traitor who should be put against the wall" -> this is an incitement to violence.

See the difference?

 

[Rafterman]

I don’t know why anybody would celebrate the banning of free speech.

This is the very definition of a dictatorship.

And it comes after 4 years of non-stop calls to violence from the other side of the aisle, which saw violence perpetrated for 5+ months this last summer.

This is insanity. Regardless of political affiliation, these moves should scare you.

Private company does not owe you free speech. Especially speech that promotes violence and racism.

 

[Stewie]

If these types of threads continue my entire feed is going to end up looking like this

Please know that I am not ignoring you because I disagree with you. You got ignored because there is not a single one of you that is capable of a intelligent fact based discussion. All you can’t do it parrot the lying talking points you saw, some bizarre whataboutism or mental gymnastics that not even Gumby can bend himself into.

And the reality is that by ignoring you, nothing of value had been lost.

 

[Rafterman]

The same kind of people who deny that Leftist violence has been going on (and on and on), nurtured by oligarchic Big Tech which has not only passively hosted explicitly violence-inciting speech by major political figures, but donated millions and millions to the Marxist organizations promoting it.

https://www.facebook.com/cudahyunited/photos/a.102762061521255/190521482745312

I see nothing that promotes violence in AOC's quote.

 

[s66]

Let's compare it too bakers and their refusal to bake wedding cakes for a gay couple.

Imagine being denied something you worked hard for, fought against your own family to get in place, earned a freedom you didn't have before. Only to see it ruined by some self-righteous religious nutcase who can't get beyond discriminating against you. Yet that's what some of you want to be the rule: the private company can chose who they service based on what their and their owner's ideas are, even if that's outright discrimination.

And then those very same supporters of the above nonsense claim Apple, Twitter, Facebook, AWS, ... are violating rights they and/or their great orange baboon have because they choose whom they service. While the reasons for acting are silencing calls for outright violence, violence that actually occurred - not just speech, acts -, where people died. Where those very same idiots keep on trying to cause even more mayhem, even more violence.

Yet you feel some baker's religious feelings are more important.

I'm sorry but such things show who you are as a person.

 

[vipergts2207]

The same kind of people who deny that Leftist violence has been going on (and on and on), nurtured by oligarchic Big Tech which has not only passively hosted explicitly violence-inciting speech by major political figures, but donated millions and millions to the Marxist organizations promoting it.

https://www.facebook.com/cudahyunited/photos/a.102762061521255/190521482745312

Do you understand the difference between a protest and a riot?

 

[Rojaaemon]

Twitter and FaceBook have policies in place against that. (Not that they do a great job enforcing it) But Parker has no such policy, thus the reason for removal.

Twitter gets an Apple “Editors’ Award”. It’s gotta be good. 🙄

 

[mcdawg]

Gonna leave this right here for you, written by the conservative.

Counterproductive Conservative Hypocrisy | Caffeinated Thoughts

Phil Bair: Conservatives calling for government regulation on social media companies in an effort to forbid censorship of their views on those platforms is hypocrisy.

caffeinatedthoughts.com

Fella, there are house “conservatives” that can be counted on for writing anything the Left want. (here’s your daily example: https://ussanews.com/News1/2021/01/...on-calls-for-pro-trump-protestors-to-be-shot/ )

But to address the issue, please note that both sides of the political aisle have long agreed that private businesses can make private decisions up to and until the point that monopolistic and collusive situations result in pernicious restraint-of-trade.

If nearly every single major tech company coming down against legal free speech within the span of one day isn’t collusive activity resulting in dangerous restrain-of-trade (and other ghastly externalities, like the strangling of free speech), that compact, like so many others, has been broken.

But fascist totalitarians have never really had a problem with government-favored monopolies, have they?

Have they?

 

[Vasilioskn]

BUTTT MAHHH FREDDDIMMSSSSSS

 

[gatortpk]

1984

 

[jhwalker]

Blm and the rioters spent all summer burning cities to the ground and looting and they all used social media like twitter and Facebook to spread the word so why wasn’t that banned of yeah it’s because they are the left, the right are peaceful apart from a few fools that was let in the capital and had selfies with officers and now all hell broke loose all the democrats that didn’t stop talking about how bad it was at the capital was fine all summer long cities being burnt to the group they called them peaceful protests, this is an attack of speech from people they don’t agree with

Please point to the city burned to the ground

 

[DaveFromCampbelltown]

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If Apple wants to start banning apps for content they don't like, I'm totally cool with them subsequently opting out of Section 230 protection. What they shouldn't be allowed to do however, is be shielded by Section 230 and simultaneously censoring content that they don't like.

Apple does not censor content. They simply decide what products they want to sell in their store.
There are thousands of products they don't sell, maybe many more. That's not censorship.
That is simply exercising their Capitalist right to choose who they deal with.
They have decided that the commercial consequences of dealing Parler in the Apple Store aren't worth it for them.

You can buy both Mein Kampf and The Diary of a Young Girl by Ann Frank in the Apple Book Store as well as The Art of the Deal and Too Much and Never Enough. Doesn't seem to be much censorship going on there.

 

[Rafterman]

There seem to be people on this thread who support the promoting of violence and racism.

 

[Runs For Fun]

Because going to Safari and typing in www.parler.com is so hard?

It will be pretty hard now that Amazon is dropping them. 😆

 

[vipergts2207]

Fella, there are house “conservatives” that can be counted on for writing anything the Left want. (here’s your daily example: https://ussanews.com/News1/2021/01/...on-calls-for-pro-trump-protestors-to-be-shot/ )

But to address the issue, please note that both sides of the political aisle have long agreed that private businesses can make private decisions up to and until the point that monopolistic and collusive situations result in pernicious restraint-of-trade.

If nearly every single major tech company coming down against legal free speech within the span of one day isn’t collusive activity resulting in dangerous restrain-of-trade (and other ghastly externalities, like the strangling of free speech), that compact, like so many others, has been broken.

But fascist totalitarians have never really had a problem with government-favored monopolies, have they?

Have they?

They’re not coming down against legal free speech, they’re coming down against incitements to violence. This isn’t a hard concept to understand.

https://forums.macrumors.com/attachments/1610138134287-png.1709124/

 

[XNorth]

Disgusting work apple, why not remove twitter with people like the leader of Iran threatening to wipe israel off the map, all social media has bad on it, they really are banning all freedom of speech of any conservatives; all what is left is the radical left, it’s not healthy to only hear one side

None of them has used Parler to plan an attack on America.

 

[vraxtus]

Fella, there are house “conservatives” that can be counted on for writing anything the Left want. (here’s your daily example: https://ussanews.com/News1/2021/01/...on-calls-for-pro-trump-protestors-to-be-shot/ )

But to address the issue, please note that both sides of the political aisle have long agreed that private businesses can make private decisions up to and until the point that monopolistic and collusive situations result in pernicious restraint-of-trade.

If nearly every single major tech company coming down against legal free speech within the span of one day isn’t collusive activity resulting in dangerous restrain-of-trade (and other ghastly externalities, like the strangling of free speech), that compact, like so many others, has been broken.

But fascist totalitarians have never really had a problem with government-favored monopolies, have they?

Have they?

So it's a lot less convenient to touch an app button than type a URL huh?

I guess by your logic though, it should be totally fine for me to come into your home, take a dump on the floor, and rub it on the walls with no consequence. Nice

 

[vraxtus]

Fella, there are house “conservatives” that can be counted on for writing anything the Left want. (here’s your daily example: https://ussanews.com/News1/2021/01/...on-calls-for-pro-trump-protestors-to-be-shot/ )

But to address the issue, please note that both sides of the political aisle have long agreed that private businesses can make private decisions up to and until the point that monopolistic and collusive situations result in pernicious restraint-of-trade.

If nearly every single major tech company coming down against legal free speech within the span of one day isn’t collusive activity resulting in dangerous restrain-of-trade (and other ghastly externalities, like the strangling of free speech), that compact, like so many others, has been broken.

But fascist totalitarians have never really had a problem with government-favored monopolies, have they?

Have they?

Oh yeah, "collusive" is funny.

Clearly you've never tried to run a large project before 😂

 

[opfreak]

Apple does not censor content. They simply decide what products they want to sell in their store.
There are thousands of products they don't sell, maybe many more. That's not censorship.
That is simply exercising their Capitalist right to choose who they deal with.
They have decided that the commercial consequences of dealing Parler in the Apple Store aren't worth it for them.

You can buy both Mein Kampf and The Diary of a Young Girl by Ann Frank in the Apple Book Store as well as The Art of the Deal and Too Much and Never Enough. Doesn't seem to be much censorship going on there.

Its still censorship. And its still an attack on free speech. No its not an attack of free speech by the government. But why is your world view so limited as to think that only governments can limit speech?

Part of the problem with having the internet ran by a very small number of companies that they have too much power. Sure you might not like Parler. But if Apply, Amazon, and Google decided that didnt want BLMs on the web they could effectively erase that movement. Is that really the kind of power you want in unelected private companies?

 

[IG88]

Apple is not censoring anybody. They simply don't want to sell a particular product via their store. Any shopkeeper in the country has that right. If you have the Parler (not Parlor) app on your phone, it still works. You can still foment revolution via the app. The FBI might want to have a quiet chat with you, but that's a different matter.

The difficult thing about this specific case is that I agree with you to an extent.

The problem is, I don't trust Apple or anyone else to be responsible about where the line is drawn. Especially when they are the sole gatekeeper of iOS apps.

Open up iOS to other app stores and Apple can ban whatever tickles their fancy.

 

[XNorth]

The only fascists are the ones blocking free speech, anyone supporting censorship is out of order and wrong

Agreed. All the far right fascist groups involved in the attack hate free speech. Say anything they dont agree with, you're in their crosshair.

 

[vraxtus]

Its still censorship. And its still an attack on free speech. No its not an attack of free speech by the government. But why is your world view so limited as to think that only governments can limit speech?

Part of the problem with having the internet ran by a very small number of companies that they have too much power. Sure you might not like Parler. But if Apply, Amazon, and Google decided that didnt want BLMs on the web they could effectively erase that movement. Is that really the kind of power you want in unelected private companies?

Nothing's stopping you from standing on a street corner, holding a sign.

 

[CaryMacGuy]

Apple‘s removal of Parlor is a violation of the constitution. Apple has no legal right. Neither Apple or Google have any government power. Donald Trump is the greatest president this country has ever seen!!!❤️❤️. Republicans will make Apple, Google, Twitter and Facebook suffer.

Apple is not a government entity. The 1st Amendment (what I assume you are referring to in the constitution) prohibits congress from making a law limiting free speech. It doesn’t restrict private companies. Let’s say McDonalds had a rule where the staff would kick you out of the restaurant if they heard you disparage the name of Ray Kroc. That would be legally perfectly fine. The second sentence of your comment completely invalidates the first sentence.

 

[XNorth]

You do know the so called rioters at the capital was let in they didn’t break in that was antifa and they had selfies with police and when they were told to go they walked out nothing was bad how can they say this was the worst day compared to a summer of Marxist riots where people died and cities burnt down

Have you heard of conspiracy theories?

 

[diamornte]

Cool. Let me know when they ban the Twitter app. I've seen plenty of calls for violence by radical leftists on there. We wouldn't want Apple to progress inequality.

Says a radical extremist “conservative.”