Apple Reportedly Preparing to Remove Bose Audio Products From Retail Stores
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Nah, that's okay. You can't figure it out for yourself. I'm not your mother.
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Go on then quote your source to say that Bose was responsible for getting Beats headphones banned. Go on I dare you to quote your source for your claimed but not proved apparent superior knowledge of this deal.
Waiting....
what is the point of your posts?
you have the nerve so say the following to another poster (not me btw) and then cant even back up your point.
UpperQuadrant
macrumors 6502
At least an Anti-Bose sheep knows more than a Bose sheep. two way street.
Personally, I've never bought Bose anything, or Beats for that matter.
If I'm buying something in the audio world, I'll buy something from a REAL audio company that's catering to higher quality sound. Unfortunately, it usually costs more money and there isn't much one can do about that.
For a $99 headphone, there isn't much to really choose from. But when you get to the $350+ bracket, more players emerge that have better sound.
The whole concept of noise canceling is NOT for better sound quality, it's for noise isolation. How do you get better sound AND better noise isolation? Closed back headphones. Open back allow ambient noise, which is why you use open back headphones in a quiet environment, but if you are in a noisy environment, you need something to isolation external sound and noise canceling is one way to do it, but it does NOT produce better sound quality.
There are headphones, like the Beyer DT 770 M, which have 35dB of noise isolation and are designed for studio use by drummers, and they don't use noise canceling. i don't know how well they sound compared to Bose or Beats headphones, but these are closed back headphones that cost $250 at Sweetwater Sound discounted. But there are other closed back headphones to investigate. So look at the noise isolation level and then listen to them to see which is the better sounding product. But the inherent problem with noise canceling technology is that it doesn't improve the quality of sound, it just removes ambient noise through producing an opposite noise to cancel out what you don't want, but it also doesn't make a better sounding product.
A good custom ear bud will work great, but they start at around $600+ for the custom molds, etc. but they do sound fantastic, especially the $1000 models that have up to 6 drivers in each ear.
teknikal90
macrumors 68040
i agree. seems petty to me.
In my opinion the best portable bluetooth speaker in the world is the one pictured - soundlink mini. now the apple store wont have it.
I'm not a fan of Beats headphone products, but they are clearly serving a demographic that loves them. I'm more than willing to accept that Bose products generally are overpriced and are not competitive in terms of sound (my wife, for example, would never be happy with Bose speakers), but they do some products extremely well (even if still overpriced). The noise cancelling headphones, especially the QC20i, are so far ahead of the competition for someone who travels a lot and packs lightly, that there really is no competition. I've also been extremely happy with the company's Bluetooth mobile headset, even though it should be half the cost, but it is worth it after trying several competing "top-end" units. The QC15s I've had used for years could be more heavily built, but I doubt they'd be as light and comfortable, so it's a trade off.
mojolicious
macrumors 68000
It would be nice if all these Bose/Beats/NFL threads had a "hide all posts of a 'Beats are trash'/'Bose are trash'/'both are trash' nature" filter.
Banned was obviously the wrong wording. I responded in frustration to the ridiculous claims here of Apple being Anti-competitive coupled with what the Colin Kaepernick being fined for wearing Beats during the post game.
Bose is being anti-compeitive signing a deal with the NFL to only display their headphones on the field. I thought there were anti-competitive laws in place. Guess not.
Thermonuclear
macrumors 6502
Concerning paid endorsements
Concerning paid endorsements, who in blazes cares about them? Do they do anything other than hike up the prices?
If you blindly follow like a sheep, then be prepared to be fleeced like a sheep.
Endorsements by the NFL are particularly annoying. A while back I needed to buy a sack of oranges and the only ones in stock had a big NFL endorsement on the label. Given the bad behavior of too many NFL players along with unjustified tolerance of such behavior by the NFL, I had to leave the oranges on the shelf lest I become a supporter.
Paid endorsement = No sale
Concerning paid endorsements, who in blazes cares about them? Do they do anything other than hike up the prices?
If you blindly follow like a sheep, then be prepared to be fleeced like a sheep.
Endorsements by the NFL are particularly annoying. A while back I needed to buy a sack of oranges and the only ones in stock had a big NFL endorsement on the label. Given the bad behavior of too many NFL players along with unjustified tolerance of such behavior by the NFL, I had to leave the oranges on the shelf lest I become a supporter.
Paid endorsement = No sale
rsocal
macrumors 6502a
I would hope all Apple employee's use iPhone's, and every Apple employee I've dealt were using iPhone's. I don't believe it should be a rule! However, I do think out of respect & loyalty they (employee's) would.
I would hate see one of my employee's going to the competition! I would actually get pissed, I know that's not right, but that's just human nature.
As far as the NFL, if Bose paid for it, they must have felt that would be better for sales then Apple stores. I'm sure they new this could happen, "IF" in fact Apple pulled the plug?
Until we hear from Apple and or Bose we are just speculating!
UpperQuadrant
macrumors 6502
Apple can do whatever they want to do with what 3rd party products they carry. Some products they can't due to how the mfg sells their products, which is why you don't see a lot of high end 3rd party headphones at your local Apple Store. The companies that make the more expensive products typically market and sell their products through specialty audio dealers that cater to the "audiophile" or "professional studio" markets.
That's why I don't buy headphones or audio products from my local Apple Store, I have to go elsewhere for audio products. Apple caters to the average consumer that's easily manipulated by marketing, which is where MOST of the Bose and Beats products are sold through. The mass merchandisers like Best Buy, and other similar stores.
If you want really good sound quality you HAVE to go through the specialty store route. That's where the good stuff is, unfortunately the average consumer is intimidated by places that sell products that cost more than you car. The average consumer is NOT going to spend $500 to $5000 on a pair of headphones, because that's what good headphones cost.
cjcampbell
macrumors member
Sad. It is like seeing two of your oldest friends get into a disagreement with each other and busting up their friendship.
AtomicDusk
macrumors regular
Chicken vs Egg
Why do we think this is in reponse to the NFL/Bose sponsorship?
Maybe 2 months ago Apple told Bose they were ceasing sales, then Bose planned their sponsorship deal and Beats embargo to coincide with when Apple stopped selling Beats to make it look retaliatory.
Not tin-foiling, Apple can and has screwed up and is by no means perfect, but order of events are important.
Why do we think this is in reponse to the NFL/Bose sponsorship?
Maybe 2 months ago Apple told Bose they were ceasing sales, then Bose planned their sponsorship deal and Beats embargo to coincide with when Apple stopped selling Beats to make it look retaliatory.
Not tin-foiling, Apple can and has screwed up and is by no means perfect, but order of events are important.
Should Apple start selling Android based phones in their stores?
silvetti
macrumors 6502a
Stop smoking crack.
UpperQuadrant
macrumors 6502
I would hope all Apple employee's use iPhone's, and every Apple employee I've dealt were using iPhone's. I don't believe it should be a rule! However, I do think out of respect & loyalty they (employee's) would.
I would hate see one of my employee's going to the competition! I would actually get pissed, I know that's not right, but that's just human nature.
As far as the NFL, if Bose paid for it, they must have felt that would be better for sales then Apple stores. I'm sure they new this could happen, "IF" in fact Apple pulled the plug?
Until we hear from Apple and or Bose we are just speculating!
The NFL/Bose deal only included players to not be seen with anything else up to 90 minutes during interviews after the game. If I were a player, I wouldn't wear anything in public unless I had to, but I wouldn't use Bose headphones in the first place, I'd be wearing HD800's, Stax or something better to begin with. But if my job required me not to wear another brand, then I simply wouldn't wear anything. They aren't required to wear Bose headphones, they just can't wear something else for that 90 minute period after the game and during a game.
Personally, I stopped watching professional sports because they aren't run as a sport, they are run like a business and they have gotten way out of hand with the sponsorships because that's the only way these Pro Sports organizations can exist, they HAVE to have sponsorships in order to stay in business, because people aren't going to pony up 4x the ticket prices to watch a bunch of jocks play.
TsMkLg068426
macrumors 68000
Yeah, people wanted those Ghetto ugly beats headphones gosh can someone from Apple come up with a better design before dumping Bose which has both great sound quality and good look design.
SchneiderMan
macrumors G3
Personally I think consumers are losing here. Bose's speakers and headphones are much better than what Beats offers.
TsMkLg068426
macrumors 68000
Those Beat Pill dock connector the blue one looks like a viagra why the hell anyone would want that?
You're not completely off base here but I have to respectfully disagree with you. I just bought a nice pair of Bowers & Wilkins P7 headphones from the Apple store for $400. These are the B&W's top of the line and are also sold at dedicated Magnolia stores. Apple also carries the B&W sound bar for $2000+. These are definitely not average consumer products.
There is a lot of tacky junk in Apple stores. It is tough when you have to simultaneously pretend you are both cutting edge technology and latest social trend all in one.
Bose is to that other audio gear as
A) as snappy is to sluggish
B) as iOS is to Android
C) as classical music is to gangster rap
D) as Steve Jobs is to Tim Cook
when in doubt choose "C"
maybe
https://globalpressroom.bose.com/us-en/pressrelease/view/1218
and no we dont everything and probably never will but this plays out horribly.
cjmillsnun
macrumors 68020
You must be a seasoned audiophile!
Bose products are not audiophile quality, not even close.
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Nope, they don't.
However Apple do sell MS Office for the Mac in their stores