This is so true!
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Apple Reportedly Preparing to Remove Bose Audio Products From Retail Stores
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This is so true!
I might have a smart remark here and there, but it's always in fun..........most of the time!
Both are over priced and neither is very good, but BOSE is better than BEATS.
No highs, no lows, must be BOSE.
I agree with you. Apple is first and foremost premium seller of computer/mobile devices. With Beats acquisition, it will of course make space for it in their stores...
Every other brand they don't own and displayed in their store, is of little consequence to them... Sales of these other products is not what brings in their profits, so it's easy for Apple to clean out these brands if it so wishes. That's the point I was trying to make...
I myself stopped watching sports like I use to, for most of the same reasons.
I don't mind them running it like a business, it's their business practices that I don't like!
Yeah, the problem is that the business aspect of the sport overtook the actual sport. that's when something as innocent as a bunch of people playing a simple game of baseball, etc. gets turned into a sponsor calling the shots.
Who the heck manipulates the games? Sponsors via the TV producers via the referees. In NFL and NBA, they call time outs for a commercial break, that changes the influence on the game because a team can EASILY lose their momentum for a commercial break. That's why they have refs that don't call a foul when they should or they call a foul when they shouldn't. I've seen that happen. Remember Shaq? I watched him throw free throws and even the announcer was pointing out that hey constantly steps over the foul line which means, he would probably be fouled out of the game within about 10 minutes, but he doesn't get called on it because he's a marquee player that brings in a lot of ad revenues. that's why they don't call these top players as much as they would another player and THAT changes the outcome of the game.
Plus, i hate watching a program where there's a beer or some stupid ad every 5 minutes.
A lot of these sponsorships are paying millions of dollars and THEY call the shot because the pro Sports org desperately needs the money, this is just an example of things getting out of hand.
The other problem is that Apple/Beats couldn't do this kind of a deal because they simply don't make the professional communication systems that the coaches and refs are using, Bose does. they used to use Clark headphones on the sidelines by the coaches, but now they use Bose. For that application, Bose probably works well since audio quality other than hearing someone's voice talking isn't as critical as accurately reproducing a violin, piano, guitar, etc.
no problem. yes that is what i am talking about as well.
i see my reply was far from as clear and concise as i would have wanted it to be.
regarding your 2nd possible explanation
the ipod is becoming a smaller business for apple and space opens up there. the ipod classic for instance has been discontinued.
regarding your 3rd possible explanation
i understand your view on apples possible hopes for beats but from my experience they have featured quite prominently.
but if those two are in fact the reason for this move then the same should happen with other brands correct?
Several reasons (but not all of them):
1) You want customers who never purchased either product to buy the product that you want, if you remove options that's what they'll buy.
2) You want customers to try the other product and if you only have that one, they might consider it. Some people are of the mentality that if it's at the Apple Store it's got to be good, lets buy it here.
3) I'm assuming they have better profit margins on Beats than on a competitor's product. (This is probably the most important one).
Gary
I'm all for salary decrease amongst these prima dona athletes. They should cap them at $250K a year and that's PLENTY of money. If they want to make more than that, then they can get another job doing something else, or play year round in different leagues. They simply pay these idiots WAY too much money and a lot of them are screw ups, some aren't, but the majority of them are idiots that can't get a regular job that pays good money.
I havent read all 11 pages or so of things here but anyone who buys BOSE anything is a sucker. Sorry but its true. I have worked in audio my whole life - studios mainly.
Bose had a great marketing strategy - at least many years ago - advertising heavily to older folk who knew NOTHING about audio but had money to spend. Any of you can hear some bose system and go "HEY it sounds pretty good" but what are you comparing it to? Anything? Your memory of what audio should sound like?
There is a reason BOSE never posts its audio specs of its speaker products - when just about EVERY OTHER MANUFACTURER does this as a standard.
I am surprised Apple EVER sold BOSE speakers - other than perhaps they knew that people (through many years of clever marketing to the naive where audio is concerned) just buy it up anyway. Its all money right? Perhaps Apple knew enough regular consumers have the PERCEPTION that BOSE is good quality and that was enough.
The real key here is that anything sounds good compared to NOTHING right? Well almost. But there is a reason people in the audio industry DONT buy bose. Because there are ALWAYS better options for the money spent. Bose is overpriced cheaper crap COMPARED to the other options out there. But go to Costco and see their big BOSE display and its not like theres anything to compare it to. And its not to say there are a lot of other crap speakers when it comes to small dock type products.
A while back - Coscto used to carry several brands of little ipod speaker docs. Because of their return policy, I bought about 4 or 5 different ones - took them home and did a comparison. JBL won hands down. I have bought their speaker docs ever since. I dont love some of the design direction they have gone in lately - but back to back they sounded better for the price then similar options. For the record I have JBL speakers for my home TV system too.
Buy BOSE if you want - but they only got the reputation they did for aggressive marketing for many years to people that didnt even really know what options were out there. They were very clever and it has worked for them. But you are paying more money for a cheaper product than you could be. 99% of people in professional audio will tell you the same.
BTW - I have no stock in JBL. Plenty of other good options out there. I just think I work hard for my money and I want to spend it on the best quality stuff for the price I am paying. Bose is not that.
Bose had a great marketing strategy - at least many years ago - advertising heavily to older folk who knew NOTHING about audio but had money to spend. Any of you can hear some bose system and go "HEY it sounds pretty good" but what are you comparing it to? Anything? Your memory of what audio should sound like?
There is a reason BOSE never posts its audio specs of its speaker products - when just about EVERY OTHER MANUFACTURER does this as a standard.
I am surprised Apple EVER sold BOSE speakers - other than perhaps they knew that people (through many years of clever marketing to the naive where audio is concerned) just buy it up anyway. Its all money right? Perhaps Apple knew enough regular consumers have the PERCEPTION that BOSE is good quality and that was enough.
The real key here is that anything sounds good compared to NOTHING right? Well almost. But there is a reason people in the audio industry DONT buy bose. Because there are ALWAYS better options for the money spent. Bose is overpriced cheaper crap COMPARED to the other options out there. But go to Costco and see their big BOSE display and its not like theres anything to compare it to. And its not to say there are a lot of other crap speakers when it comes to small dock type products.
A while back - Coscto used to carry several brands of little ipod speaker docs. Because of their return policy, I bought about 4 or 5 different ones - took them home and did a comparison. JBL won hands down. I have bought their speaker docs ever since. I dont love some of the design direction they have gone in lately - but back to back they sounded better for the price then similar options. For the record I have JBL speakers for my home TV system too.
Buy BOSE if you want - but they only got the reputation they did for aggressive marketing for many years to people that didnt even really know what options were out there. They were very clever and it has worked for them. But you are paying more money for a cheaper product than you could be. 99% of people in professional audio will tell you the same.
BTW - I have no stock in JBL. Plenty of other good options out there. I just think I work hard for my money and I want to spend it on the best quality stuff for the price I am paying. Bose is not that.
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I hear ya man. It's just tough not to get annoyed by stupid people. I come to this site to get my tech geek fix, and there are a lot of smart and interesting comments made here which give different perspectives, which I enjoy. I'm gunna try!
You nailed it!
NBA was once my favorite sport to watch, I grew up a LA Lakers fan going to the Inglewood Forum. Now the Staples Center, but I haven't went to any games since the last Lakers vs Boston finals. It was great to be there and I miss it! However when Stern put the brakes on the Chris Paul to the Lakers deal, that was it for me.
For me, sports are just no fun to watch anymore.......
Who buys audio accessories from Apple store anyway?
And who cares if the stop selling Bose products? It's not like you can't go on amazon and buy Bose headphones. You can probably get them at a cheaper price too.
People just have to be outraged by something.
And who cares if the stop selling Bose products? It's not like you can't go on amazon and buy Bose headphones. You can probably get them at a cheaper price too.
People just have to be outraged by something.
The NFL thing has been in place since last season, so it's a little late for retaliation.
Translation:
Beats is for teenagers and anyone still in college.
Bose is for older adults, who already have a trophy wife, a nice salaried career, and maybe a BMW or a Lexus. And too much spare money, which allows them to afford Bose products.
In the end, they both are equally overpriced for the quality you get.
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There are several Bose Retail Stores located in the same exact shopping malls (in California) where Apple Retail Stores exist. So if Apple Store stops selling Bose . then you just walk 200 yards and you step into the Bose Store.
This is silly for a number of reasons. The vast majority of NFL players are good people. There is a minority that acts like asses. For every one you say is a screw up, I can give you 10-15 that have never been in trouble. Just like in everyday life, if you do right - nobody knows. If you do wrong - everybody knows. Players get paid based on a percentage of the revenue they help generate. How is that wrong? Getting paid what they market is willing to give... isn't that 100% 'Murica
Why should someone have to get another job or play year round because you think they get paid too much? Wouldn't that be more of a concern for the person paying them. What if someone came to your job with that same attitude? Would you rather it be more like corporate America where the rank and file workers are paid an absurd fraction of the upper management?I personally hate wearing headphones which is why I don't listen to music at home with them. I find them to be confining. The good quality headphones simply cost a lot of money. If I were to buy a pair, they would PROBABLY be either the Audeze or Sennheiser HD800's but they both cost over $1K and I simply wouldn't wear them enough to justify the expense at this point in time.
But what I want is sonic accuracy that sounds good. I've listened to Bose, Beats, B&O, and many other headphones and they simply don't sound that accurate. They are very colored in their sound quality. What gets me is those that haven't heard a high end pair of headphones chastise people that have. Go to a dealership and listen to a set of HD800's or Audeze headphones and compare them to the Beats or Bose, if you listen to recordings of good quality that aren't heavily processed, there is a world of difference. Quit trying to make it sound like we're elitists, people that want good quality of sound typically have spent the time to figure out what actually sounds good and we generally listen to recordings that aren't heavily processed to begin with.
I can understand someone not being able to afford high end headphones, that's a different discussion, but that's simply financial abilities, not in actual quality of sound discussion. You are confusing the two. Some people spend more money on audio equipment because it's simply more important to them about the quality of sound and they don't always have millions of dollars at their disposal, they just want good sound quality and understand that it generally costs more money.
For me, I'm always looking to see how I can get the more expensive equipment cheaper by buying used. There are ways to save money that way. My home stereo was predominately bought used because I simply couldn't afford the same equipment new, so I saved a LOT of money buying used from people that took good care of the equipment and I've rarely been disappointed.
it's all what floats one's boat, but definitely go out there and see what's on the market and listen to different products instead of just relying on the local Apple store for stereo equipment. Even if you are an Apple fan, which I am, but I don't buy my higher end stereo equipment from a local Apple Store, they aren't specialists in audio equipment, neither is Best Buy, neither are any of the other mass merchandise stores.
Grado has some nice affordable headphones as does many other companies.
If you have the chance to go to these audiophile shows they have around the country, they have sections specifically catering to headphone users and they'll have TONS of different brands of headphones to check out that range in the lower $100 on up to $5,000. Check them all out to see what you like and don't like. But relying on Beats or Bose for high quality audio? NOPE, they are mass merchandise companies catering to the market that simply buys what is the most promoted/popular. Just like McDonald's caters to those that buy hamburgers from who is the most promoted and most popular, but that's generally NOT the best. I can find great hamburgers for not much more than McDonald's that actually uses high grade beef for about $10 for a meal, which McDonald's is getting VERY close to costing.
Coincidence? Bose & Beats (Apple) Settled Lawsuit Today!
Update 11:07 AM: Just today, Bose has agreed to a dismissal of its lawsuit against Beats, with the parties having settled their claims.
Apple/Beats most likely agreed to settle and pay Bose some large sum of money for stealing their Noise Canceling Technology, and this is Apple's little way of retaliating IMO.
Update 11:07 AM: Just today, Bose has agreed to a dismissal of its lawsuit against Beats, with the parties having settled their claims.
Apple/Beats most likely agreed to settle and pay Bose some large sum of money for stealing their Noise Canceling Technology, and this is Apple's little way of retaliating IMO.
This is silly for a number of reasons. The vast majority of NFL players are good people. There is a minority that acts like asses. For every one you say is a screw up, I can give you 10-15 that have never been in trouble. Just like in everyday life, if you do right - nobody knows. If you do wrong - everybody knows. Players get paid based on a percentage of the revenue they help generate. How is that wrong? Getting paid what they market is willing to give... isn't that 100% 'Murica
Good people? Why do you think they are good people? Because they are nice to people when they are on TV or sign autographs? What's your qualifications for being a good person?
10-15 that have never been in trouble? 10-15 athletes out of how many? There are how many NFL players in a season between the AFC and NFC? Several thousand? Not all of them get caught either. Yeah, look at Lance Armstrong. Before he got caught doping up, he was seen as the best person in the whole wide world as a cancer survivor, etc. etc., now he's a doper that got stripped of some of his titles. He got CAUGHT.
A lot of these guys just didn't get caught. If you only knew what they REALLY did behind the scenes, you wouldn't think the same way. heck, some of the top athletes that are promoted as goody two shoes were drug users during their term as professional athletes.
Go watch Jerry McQuire again. They are seen as nice people because they are PROMOTED as such and they get a lot of attention which boosts their ego and they get paid a lot of money, have nice homes, cars, clothing, pretty women falling all over each other trying to get them in the sack. I remember when they USED to be more honesty in Pro Sports, now most of them are branching tattooes like they just got out of jail, trash talk, get into fights, party like it's 1999, etc. etc. and what do they say when they are interviewed? "I gave it 110%".
Here's video that kind of describes some of these athletes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F4W0R1Zr_8
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Bose make over priced diabolical sounding junk anyway.
Anyone with working ears owes themselves a favour to buy something that presents their music with clarity, punch and neutrality - not something that sounds like its being played in a box.
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You might want to try a proper audio brand instead of either....
Anyone with working ears owes themselves a favour to buy something that presents their music with clarity, punch and neutrality - not something that sounds like its being played in a box.
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You might want to try a proper audio brand instead of either....
No highs, no lows?
Must be BOSE.
Glad to see Apple getting rid of such a horrible audio brand.
Even Beats is better, and it's essentially just an equalizer applied to their headphones.
Must be BOSE.
Glad to see Apple getting rid of such a horrible audio brand.
Even Beats is better, and it's essentially just an equalizer applied to their headphones.
They can always play the game of not paying the fine, but instead giving him a "bonus" equivalent to the amount of the fine (which from what I understand has happened before with other pro athletes to get around this).
