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Clearly you have't been an Apple user long enough to know Apple has always been a boutique/high end brand. That has not and will not ever change. In fact Apple laptops used to START much higher in price 20+ years ago. For example, adjusted for 2018 USD an old Powerbook G4 would cost about 5-6 THOUSAND today. So actually prices have come down in many ways.

Now, Yes they raised the prices of all iOS devices this year and that stings a bit for sure. But you have an iPhone X and iPad Pro 10.5 both from last year. Why are you so upset about that? They are amazing devices. Should Apple apologize that poor you has to struggle with hanging on to perfectly good and fast tech because you feel "priced out" of iOS? Thats just silly. Enjoy your devices and good on you for being a little more cost conscious as you mature. Losing sleep over tech purchases is a whole other issue. Relax, enjoy, and in a few years Im sure there will still be plenty of affordable options from Apple for you to upgrade to.

Apple used to be a boutique brand, but not anymore. Tell me, how many Porsches did you see on the road today, as a proportion of the total number of cars? How many Rolexes, compared to all other watches? Now try doing the same with iPhones, Apple Watches, MacBooks. It's no coincidence that Apple is, or at least was until recently, the world's most valuable company. Do you think Porsche ever came close to this? Rolex? Gucci? Except they're now pricing themselves back to being a boutique brand. The investors are catching up to this, which is why the stock went down. Apple itself is feeling the heat, which is why they're loading up on marketing. But no amount of marketing will sell products that are priced wildly out of the consumer's range.

Now, comparing the prices of 15-year old technology to today's technology is a little more nuanced than that. Try comparing the prices of a top-end 15-year old Dell laptop to something equivalently placed on Dell's lineup today. I'd also suggest comparing the prices of cell phones ever since the launch of the technology until today. They started out very expensive, went down in price because of economies of scale and so on, but in the last few years the price is coming up again, and you can mostly blame Apple for that. If you disagree, when was the last time you paid as much as an iPhone XS Max costs today for a cell phone? Correct for inflation all you want, you're going to have to go back in time a few decades before you can claim that.

I'm not upset about keeping my old devices. I'm just pointing out the experience of one person (myself) who used to upgrade iPhones early and is now priced out of this (whereas if prices had stayed the same as in the iPhone 7 era, I would have still upgraded). The iPad Pro 11" is not just too expensive given that I have a year-old device; it's too expensive, period. In fact, it's a good thing that I have a year-old device, because otherwise I'd have to upgrade, and given that I can't afford the new models, I'd have to look at the prices of last year's models, and most likely would have considered something used/refurbished; I think neither of these situations bodes well for Apple. By the way, this is exactly what happened with a colleague -- can't afford the 2018 MBP, had to find a good discount on last year's model to be able to upgrade. As for my MacBook Pro, considering I spend most of my day in front of it, yes I do lose sleep over the possibility of being priced out of the only computer platform that doesn't make me miserable (I'm familiar enough with Windows and Linux to know).

To sum it up, here's someone who spent, on average, a few thousand dollars per year on Apple gear, and who's going to reduce that substantially or maybe exit the Apple market completely. It's not just an issue of unit sales; Apple is going to see a sharp decrease in revenue unless they bring prices back from the stratosphere.
 
Apple's solution is the iPhone Upgrade Program, which makes sense.
Problem is, that program is not worldwide. Apple really needs to work on that. I would be in the program in a heartbeat if it was offered in my region.
We already have a trade in program its called EBAY and sites alike you buy a new iphone and sell your old one.
This is APPLE being stupid at its best ... they say sales numbers are not important. We are a service company our user base is always expending.... How is starting to buy back your old phones expand your user base?
IF YOUR A SERVICE COMPANY and want more users in your eco system... DISCOUNT YOUR PHONES .... thats how you sell more Phones and get a lot more people in to your ECO system. That is how samsung does it .... less margin on the hardware ..... but sell a ton of phones ... but samsung is not a service company . so you make the money back selling services right ???? Sony PS and microsoft Xbox are the same thing
 
Cool, then go/stay with android. Today it's about ecosystem. If you want to be in the Apple ecosystem you will ALWAYS pay a premium. It's been this way for years and isn't some revelation. Personally I'll pay the extra $100 or whatever to know that Apple isn't selling my info to the highest bidder.

Good for you. But XR is still way overpriced. Apple is lucky to have such loyal customer. I however, like most people, will choose things have better price performance ratio. Phone like OnePlus 6T is perfect example.

And I just love how Apple fans still mistakenly think Google is selling your personal information. It is so funny to see people still believe such thing
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What I hate most and what is actually making me postpone some new purchases is the pricing of storage upgrades. The new MacBook Air comes with a 128GB SSD standard. The same amount of storage as my current 2011! MacBook Air base model. Upgrading to a more sensible 512GB SSD is 500 EUR. Why?

Just because of this I'm not buying and waiting another year with my upgrade.

But upgrading next year, Apple would still charging you 500 EUR for that upgrade. I do not think deferring upgrade would lower the price.
 
Whoops! We made the iPhone 7, 7+, 8, 8+ and X too powerful. Now people are actually holding on to their phones for longer than 2 years. Better screw up the next update and make them slow so people are forced to upgrade!

This is exactly what I thought. My fear is, after purchasing an iPhone 8, they will introduce some kind of performance or battery issue on next iOS update, in order to boost iPhone XS, XR and 11 sales on 2019... or maybe they'll do this on 2020 with iOS 14, who knows.

That would piss me of, but I already stopped upgrading my recently purchased phone, which will stay on 12.0.1 for a long time.
 
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Long time Apple user here (starting with a PowerPC Mac mini, 13 years ago). Purchased countless Apple products since then: laptops, iPhones, iPads, Airports, Apple TVs, you name it, plus tons of accessories (chargers, cables, dongles, etc.).

2018 is the year in which I basically gave up on Apple, unless they drastically change course. I'm still pretty much invested in the ecosystem, so I'm not leaving overnight. Still, here's a few things that happened this year:
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Wont quote your list but wanted to parrot that some of my bricks in the wall have come down as well. I have switched;

WiFi - had Airports exclusively. Tried Google. It was very good but the spectre of Google bothered me. Settled on Ubiquiti Unifi. Lots more effort to set up but it's a great WiFi platform.

Watch - I had an AW2. Wanted a change and bought a Garmin. It's a great watch. Looks normal too! I did get an AW4 but honestly, I can't bring myself to wear it more than a day or two. Plus the GPS rendering still hasn't been fixed post-workout where they drastically smooth corners. I can't tell if that is a style thing or a real issue with accuracy but it creates doubt. Sticking with Garmin.

Montior - I bought a rMBP in 2017 that was USBC. My Thunderbolt Display suddenly felt old with extra cables attached, so I sold it and bought a great Dell screen with USBC hub built in. 3rd brick gone.

iPhone - It's first year since the original I haven't upgraded. I did have a Pixel 2 for fun. It was great but again, Google feels iffy. iPhone X for now.

iPad - I went all in on the first 'Pro' with the accessories. Now that I have seen how quickly those were shunned, I am not buying another Pro. It will be cheap iPads from here on. 5th brick getting loose.

Laptop - I am sticking with my 2017 rMBP but it has already been in for repair 1x (stopped charing and keys went bad, full bottom case). I used a Surface during that time and it was fine. Win 10 is fine. If my Mac goes bad again, it may precipitate a permanent switch.

TV - I have an ATV4k that has been a buggy POS. I have owned all 3 versions before this and they were great. Still, the ATV has a much cleaner interface than using Xbox or built in AndroidTV. For family set up it's best if everyone only uses one device. Not interested in Roku or Amazon. ATV it is (for now).

Smarthome - tried a Google Mini. It's honestly really good. But again, Google. Not sure I trust Amazon any more or less.

Media and Cloud - still all in on Apple services. The tie in across apps and ecosystem is still great. It's why I stay. The minute I move all that to another service is when the rest of the pieces fall.

For 10 years my Apple wall was strong. It's now under siege and I have a usurper who keeps sneaking foreign agents in through the sewers. 2019 will be a make it or break it year for Apple (for me). But then again, I said that in 2017 and I am still 80% bought in.
 
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Well given these new phones are simply getting too pricey is what has driven me away of late. Not to mention the absence of a button which I love dearly. My wife has the X and I simply cannot get used to it no matter what I try to keep an open mind about but that's just me. The 8 plus will be the end of the road for me but after that, I simply don't know what I'll do. I have a trusted 7 plus right now and haven't seen a need to move to my final aforementioned model. Soon I know I'll have to but until then, the 7 plus does me well.

So back to this pricepoint. Why should those like me who USED to buy the best new model that came out every year wanna go and buy a lesser model just because I can no longer afford it? Sure I could splurge but I'm not going to. Again, my choice but I have no idea what the future holds for me. With no button, I just don't know if I can adapt to that brutally bad swipe interface that dominates the X series models. I won't DARE go to Android so it is very very likely that I may get my long wish of going back to flip phone with no features other than calls. I'll let work provide me with an expensive phone if they want to have "always available" access to me as a Sr Systems Engineer. If it weren't for my line of work, I would have jumped a few short years ago when the X came out. God, I used to LOVE going to get the new phone every year but perhaps my aging takes away that fun or perhaps it's the dislike of the interface but either way, my days are numbered.
 
Lower the prices some. Not so much at Apple becomes a trash brand. Prices are too high for what you get. More and more people are being priced out of Apple products.
 
This is exactly what I thought. My fear is, after purchasing an iPhone 8, they will introduce some kind of performance or battery issue on next iOS update, in order to boost iPhone XS, XR and 11 sales on 2019... or maybe they'll do this on 2020 with iOS 14, who knows.

That would piss me of, but I already stopped upgrading my recently purchased phone, which will stay on 12.0.1 for a long time.

They already added throttling to iphone 8 and x with ios 12.1:
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/10/31/iphone-x-8-8-plus-performance-management/
 
Regardless of what anyone says, Steven Jobs did work at Apple. He obviously affected something. Yes, he did pick Tim Cook at the time to be CEO; then again, he also picked Scott Forstall to run iOS. To say Apple still has the same magic as it with Steve, is to say Steve didn't do anything. Which we know is false.

Apple was always expensive but justified. Now, they're increasing prices by 20% and offering less.

The person running Apple's ship isn't a product-guy. I think it shows with this insane iPhone lineup, MacBook line-up etc., iMac's with 5400 RPM HDDs.

Apple is about experience. Well, they used to be about it.

Yeah, they've lost their mojo. I bought an iPhone X. Now I can't wait to get rid of it. It doesn't offer me much of anything over my previous 7+. In fact, it offers less. I hate FaceID. In fact, I shut it off and do the "swipe to unlock" thing now. Welcome back to the iPhone 4. :-( The notch never grew on me and it stands out like a sore thumb when I watch zoomed videos in landscape.

So, I have my X for sale. Going back to the 7+. Will get another iPhone when Apple's prices come to Earth and their design language reverts to something with sanity.
 
Apple used to be a boutique brand, but not anymore. Tell me, how many Porsches did you see on the road today, as a proportion of the total number of cars? How many Rolexes, compared to all other watches? Now try doing the same with iPhones, Apple Watches, MacBooks. It's no coincidence that Apple is, or at least was until recently, the world's most valuable company. Do you think Porsche ever came close to this? Rolex? Gucci? Except they're now pricing themselves back to being a boutique brand. The investors are catching up to this, which is why the stock went down. Apple itself is feeling the heat, which is why they're loading up on marketing. But no amount of marketing will sell products that are priced wildly out of the consumer's range.

Now, comparing the prices of 15-year old technology to today's technology is a little more nuanced than that. Try comparing the prices of a top-end 15-year old Dell laptop to something equivalently placed on Dell's lineup today. I'd also suggest comparing the prices of cell phones ever since the launch of the technology until today. They started out very expensive, went down in price because of economies of scale and so on, but in the last few years the price is coming up again, and you can mostly blame Apple for that. If you disagree, when was the last time you paid as much as an iPhone XS Max costs today for a cell phone? Correct for inflation all you want, you're going to have to go back in time a few decades before you can claim that.

I'm not upset about keeping my old devices. I'm just pointing out the experience of one person (myself) who used to upgrade iPhones early and is now priced out of this (whereas if prices had stayed the same as in the iPhone 7 era, I would have still upgraded). The iPad Pro 11" is not just too expensive given that I have a year-old device; it's too expensive, period. In fact, it's a good thing that I have a year-old device, because otherwise I'd have to upgrade, and given that I can't afford the new models, I'd have to look at the prices of last year's models, and most likely would have considered something used/refurbished; I think neither of these situations bodes well for Apple. By the way, this is exactly what happened with a colleague -- can't afford the 2018 MBP, had to find a good discount on last year's model to be able to upgrade. As for my MacBook Pro, considering I spend most of my day in front of it, yes I do lose sleep over the possibility of being priced out of the only computer platform that doesn't make me miserable (I'm familiar enough with Windows and Linux to know).

To sum it up, here's someone who spent, on average, a few thousand dollars per year on Apple gear, and who's going to reduce that substantially or maybe exit the Apple market completely. It's not just an issue of unit sales; Apple is going to see a sharp decrease in revenue unless they bring prices back from the stratosphere.

its a nice little story but in truth i would not touch a OLDER MAC even with a discount because past few years the MODELS SUCK . They are very prone to defects ( Faulty keyboards , defect videocards) and well repair costs are so high you better off buying a new machine ... and APPLE machines are non upgradable or even serviceable .
Dust is a real problem for apple stuff because it runs real hot .. and apple does not want to ramp up fan speeds.
And you can't go inside your machine to clean it up.... so it can die on you or dust collects in you screen ( imac ) and you cant clean the back side of your panel ...

Apple is saying its a service companey ... and hardware sales dont matter .. but i think if apple is staying boring ... they are going out of busniss real fast ... Hope they pick a new CEO to save Apple
 
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Found this interesting too. Much more blunt, aggressive taglines. The price increases obviously don't help, but people just don't update their phones as often any more. It's getting harder and harder to sell people something which is only marginally better than what they have.

Well, the price has a lot to do with it. At a certain point, you just have to say "enough".
 
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iPhone XS max is a great phone. The only thing keeps me from buying it is the price... Lower the price and I will buy one. Note that I don't buy it because it is 1000USD. I can afford that. But look at the value you get. Slow charger, no lighting to Aux cable,.... It is all about the value you get from 1000USD phone.

Would it help if you kept it longer?

If you kept a $1,000 phone for 3 years... that's the equivalent of $333 a year. That honestly doesn't sound too bad considering it is a nice piece of hardware.

You'd be in a much better position using an iPhone XS with its A12 chip and 3GB of RAM from 2018-2021... than you were using an iPhone 6 with its A8 chip and 1GB of RAM from 2014-2017

iPhones last longer these days... and iOS 12 certainly helps. Hell... I'm still using an iPhone 6S Plus today. iOS 12 makes it feel very snappy.

So my point is... if you did jump in and spend $1,000 on a new iPhone XS today... it'd certainly be a great device for the next 3 years. Or maybe longer.
 
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He's not joking.

A screen is only one component of a phone that as an SOC, that can kick dust in every android handset. It's the 2nd tier 2018 handset and as such doesn't not have the same features as the first tier. And for some people like me, I'm satisfied with a good LCD.

Not the first time apple has done this. The iphone 7 was missing the dual lens of the 7+, except in 2018 the only difference in the two top tier handsets is size.
The screen is the component which you are going to look at hundreds of times a day throughout the phone's life. It better be damn good and the XR's isn't at that price.

The iPhone 7 was cheaper than the XR. The XR occupies the price slot of the 8 Plus.
 
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Apple used to be a boutique brand, but not anymore. Tell me, how many Porsches did you see on the road today, as a proportion of the total number of cars? How many Rolexes, compared to all other watches? Now try doing the same with iPhones, Apple Watches, MacBooks. It's no coincidence that Apple is, or at least was until recently, the world's most valuable company. Do you think Porsche ever came close to this? Rolex? Gucci? Except they're now pricing themselves back to being a boutique brand. The investors are catching up to this, which is why the stock went down. Apple itself is feeling the heat, which is why they're loading up on marketing. But no amount of marketing will sell products that are priced wildly out of the consumer's range.

Now, comparing the prices of 15-year old technology to today's technology is a little more nuanced than that. Try comparing the prices of a top-end 15-year old Dell laptop to something equivalently placed on Dell's lineup today. I'd also suggest comparing the prices of cell phones ever since the launch of the technology until today. They started out very expensive, went down in price because of economies of scale and so on, but in the last few years the price is coming up again, and you can mostly blame Apple for that. If you disagree, when was the last time you paid as much as an iPhone XS Max costs today for a cell phone? Correct for inflation all you want, you're going to have to go back in time a few decades before you can claim that.

I'm not upset about keeping my old devices. I'm just pointing out the experience of one person (myself) who used to upgrade iPhones early and is now priced out of this (whereas if prices had stayed the same as in the iPhone 7 era, I would have still upgraded). The iPad Pro 11" is not just too expensive given that I have a year-old device; it's too expensive, period. In fact, it's a good thing that I have a year-old device, because otherwise I'd have to upgrade, and given that I can't afford the new models, I'd have to look at the prices of last year's models, and most likely would have considered something used/refurbished; I think neither of these situations bodes well for Apple. By the way, this is exactly what happened with a colleague -- can't afford the 2018 MBP, had to find a good discount on last year's model to be able to upgrade. As for my MacBook Pro, considering I spend most of my day in front of it, yes I do lose sleep over the possibility of being priced out of the only computer platform that doesn't make me miserable (I'm familiar enough with Windows and Linux to know).

To sum it up, here's someone who spent, on average, a few thousand dollars per year on Apple gear, and who's going to reduce that substantially or maybe exit the Apple market completely. It's not just an issue of unit sales; Apple is going to see a sharp decrease in revenue unless they bring prices back from the stratosphere.

Please copy and paste to tcook@apple.com. :apple:
 
Apple used to be a boutique brand, but not anymore. Tell me, how many Porsches did you see on the road today, as a proportion of the total number of cars? How many Rolexes, compared to all other watches? Now try doing the same with iPhones, Apple Watches, MacBooks. It's no coincidence that Apple is, or at least was until recently, the world's most valuable company. Do you think Porsche ever came close to this? Rolex? Gucci? Except they're now pricing themselves back to being a boutique brand. The investors are catching up to this, which is why the stock went down. Apple itself is feeling the heat, which is why they're loading up on marketing. But no amount of marketing will sell products that are priced wildly out of the consumer's range.

Now, comparing the prices of 15-year old technology to today's technology is a little more nuanced than that. Try comparing the prices of a top-end 15-year old Dell laptop to something equivalently placed on Dell's lineup today. I'd also suggest comparing the prices of cell phones ever since the launch of the technology until today. They started out very expensive, went down in price because of economies of scale and so on, but in the last few years the price is coming up again, and you can mostly blame Apple for that. If you disagree, when was the last time you paid as much as an iPhone XS Max costs today for a cell phone? Correct for inflation all you want, you're going to have to go back in time a few decades before you can claim that.

I'm not upset about keeping my old devices. I'm just pointing out the experience of one person (myself) who used to upgrade iPhones early and is now priced out of this (whereas if prices had stayed the same as in the iPhone 7 era, I would have still upgraded). The iPad Pro 11" is not just too expensive given that I have a year-old device; it's too expensive, period. In fact, it's a good thing that I have a year-old device, because otherwise I'd have to upgrade, and given that I can't afford the new models, I'd have to look at the prices of last year's models, and most likely would have considered something used/refurbished; I think neither of these situations bodes well for Apple. By the way, this is exactly what happened with a colleague -- can't afford the 2018 MBP, had to find a good discount on last year's model to be able to upgrade. As for my MacBook Pro, considering I spend most of my day in front of it, yes I do lose sleep over the possibility of being priced out of the only computer platform that doesn't make me miserable (I'm familiar enough with Windows and Linux to know).

To sum it up, here's someone who spent, on average, a few thousand dollars per year on Apple gear, and who's going to reduce that substantially or maybe exit the Apple market completely. It's not just an issue of unit sales; Apple is going to see a sharp decrease in revenue unless they bring prices back from the stratosphere.
Actually quite the opposite , there are still way more android phones out there than iPhones. Apple is a premium brand by most standards. And we’re arent comparing Dells, I’m talking Apple. And finally, Apple is not going to lose revenue for two reasons...first they raised prices, second , they are going all in on services and ecosystem. They don’t care if you have a 5 year old phone as long as you are in the ecosystem which brings them money as they continue to offer new iCloud services, music, movies, news, rentals, etc etc. Think about the bigger picture.
 
So much dramatism around here It is not hard and no need to make it harder. If money is an issue it isnt worth buying, losing sleep, or getting sick over. Bunch of buzzkillians.
Man, I love being old, not tied to any smartphone or computer brand, don't feel the need to be available at all times, if I answer I answer if not I'll get back to you at my convenience.
I walkout my door and hike up a 13,000ft peak with the dogs and never once think about social media, answering a text or call or even look at it, unless it is an 911 situation . Just the view and my thoughts. Heck the dogs double as pillows as well as guards.
 
The screen is the component which you are going to look at hundreds of times a day throughout the phone's life. It better be damn good and the XR's isn't at that price.

The iPhone 7 was cheaper than the XR. The XR occupies the price slot of the 8 Plus.
The screen is the component that has to be good enough. This, in my opinion, and that, in your opinion. It has to be good enough and the XRs' screen is at that price. It's nearly equivalent to OLED and has the vaunted apple accuracy.

The XR out techs the 8 plus and in 2018 the price is the price.
 
They need a smaller form factor, think iPhone X-SE (oh and my wife wants a headphone jack too). I can't make the XS smaller, but I can at least bond the lightning dongle to her ear buds with some heat shrink tubing so one does not become detached from the other and disappear.
 
I'm sure that I am an outlier, but I am still using a 5s, and don't plan to upgrade until it breaks or sometime next year. I don't want an expensive large phone, I want a cheaper phone that fits in my pocket. I suppose if I had to replace it today, I would just get a 7, or find an SE (AT&T is still selling their remaining SE stock). Perhaps there are a lot of others who don't care about FaceID and all the latest tech that are put off by the high prices of the new iPhones and are content with what they have.

I was the same. I even replaced the battery myself to keep my 5s going. Eventually I found it easier to just look outside of Apple for a great but cheap phone.
 
As an iPhone SE enthusiast, I'm pleased to see the XR, which was being predicted to be a massive seller go on sale on the Apple website within only 2 months of being released. I've never seen Apple advertise a price reduction on an iPhone so quickly- it must be a complete flop.

I think Apple was hoping people would just move to big screen phones, and charged more for them, but maybe not.

incidentally, the iPhone SE just came back in stock reduced in price too.
 
Whoops! We made the iPhone 7, 7+, 8, 8+ and X too powerful. Now people are actually holding on to their phones for longer than 2 years. Better screw up the next update and make them slow so people are forced to upgrade!
Tried that already with low battery throttling. Got caught.
 
The screen is the component which you are going to look at hundreds of times a day throughout the phone's life. It better be damn good and the XR's isn't at that price.

The iPhone 7 was cheaper than the XR. The XR occupies the price slot of the 8 Plus.

The XR should have had the dual camera of the XS and XS Max along with the 401 PPI screen density of the 8 Plus's LCD. I wonder what that would have added to the actual cost, maybe $20 tops?

It seems like Apple deliberately puts sub-par components that shave off precious little cost on their non-top models to encourage consumers to pony up for something better that costs quite a bit more.
 
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