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I went from an 11 to a 14 pro. I traded in my 3 year old phone and verizon gave me 800 toward a new phone. $100 vs $200 broken up over 2 years, or $4 vs $8 a month, was a no brainer. I would bet many people did that math and went with the pro.
except the verizon plan with bill credits is 3 years
 
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The mini could be a limited production run to satisfy that market or maybe the sales weren't there due to it not being feature rich?
A limited run would be a waste of time and money for Apple.

The sales weren't there because its screen is too small for what you pay. Despite the fact it was $100 less, almost nobody thought the iPhone 13 mini was a good deal even though it otherwise had the same feature set as the iPhone 13. Well, almost the same feature set: The poor battery life of the 13 mini didn't help its cause either.

The fact of the matter is in 2022, people want big screens, or even bigger screens. Thus, Apple kept the 6.1" screen, and introduced the 6.7" screen to the non-Pro line, something that people have been asking for for years actually. This year will likely represent the highest selling year of all time for 6.7" iPhones, as it will include both the 14 Pro Max and the 14 Plus. Furthermore, I suspect over the course of the year, the 14 Plus will outsell 14 Pro Max by a significant margin, purely because of cost. As others have already said in this thread, the launch month of September skews heavily toward Pro/Max buyers, whereas regular mainstream buyers on a budget tend to just buy cheaper models when they need to during the year.
 
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oh my god!  is doomed!!

Yep. Year after year after year...manufacturing and selling roughly 600,000 iPhones per day (on the average) every day of the year, despite many people believing Apple doesn't know what they're doing or who their market is. All of Apple's accumulated yearly iPhone sales metrics data going back 15 years? Went straight to the dumpster.

Apple is clearly winging it now and getting lucky. Yeah, that's it.
 
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I do think the 14 Plus sales will exceed expectations. For a long time, I’ve talked to users who were upgrading from older iPhones (4-6 years old), average consumer types, who want a cheaper iPhone—a non-pro model being more than sufficient. But, they do want a larger screen or larger battery. The Pro Max is more than they want to spend and they really don’t want or need high-end features/camera. Finally, Apple has the perfect phone for their needs.
 
I do think the 14 Plus sales will exceed expectations. For a long time, I’ve talked to users who were upgrading from older iPhones (4-6 years old), average consumer types, who want a cheaper iPhone—a non-pro model being more than sufficient. But, they do want a larger screen or larger battery. The Pro Max is more than they want to spend and they really don’t want or need high-end features/camera. Finally, Apple has the perfect phone for their needs.
The 14 Plus sales likely won't exceed my expectations... but that's because I think the 14 Plus will sell extremely well, either #1 this year or else #2. ;)

And yes, it's exactly because there is demand from the group you cite. People want big or even bigger iPhones, but they don't want to spend Pro Max $ if they don't need the Pro Max features other than the larger size of the screen.
 
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I do find it sort of ironic/comical that during the Mini sales, the numbers were showing that more people wanted bigger screens, so they eliminated the mini size, and introduced the Plus size. And now the numbers are showing more people want the Pro over the regular 14s. I guess that works in Apple's favor, as they make more money off the Pros, but I'm a bit surprised as it seems they don't really know how to market the 14 or to whom they should market it. People that have an older phones looking to upgrade and are money-conscious are a shoe-in for the normal 14s, but I guess not enough of them are upgrading? I'd also be intrigued to see how the iPhone 13 sales are doing. With the economy the way it is, and the differences between the 14 and 13 smaller than in previous iterations, I wonder if more are opting for 13 for the price.
 
I don’t blame anyone for opting for the pro over the regular line. The 14 is identical to last years 13 essentially bar a couple of minute features… if you’re spending that kind of money for a new phone you may as well go pro. I’m sending my 14 back and returning to my 13.
 
The Price difference is just a joke from normal to pro. I wanted an 14 PM 256, but ****, this ****ing price is not worth it when it's a peace of junk in a few years. Coming from a 7+ and went to an iPhone 11 128 which was a deal under 500 and delivery next day, cool. One thing i really like about the phone, the phone quality is a bit better, wow. App Crap, rather work on a Mac or PC, better for my eyes in the long run.... Let's see if dynamic island is allready under water when i buy it in 4 years, no ****, have to wait 5 years, the 14 has no usb-c ;-)
 
Nobody wants the mini, except for a small vocal bunch of enthusiasts.
What's happening now with the lackluster non-Pro 14 sales proves exactly why this statement is untrue.

Users didn't want the non-Pro model, as a mini or any other size. Had Apple made a mini with the same features as the other Pro models, it would have sold much better.
 
Every year after an iPhone release we get these stores that claim Apple is cutting production.

Apple cuts production of iPhone 13 due to decrease in demand
Dec 2, 2021 — Apple has cut production of the iPhone 13 after demand for the product had slowed down due to the ongoing effects of the supply chain crisis.

The Phone That's Failing Apple: iPhone XR - WSJ
Jan 6, 2019 — Tepid iPhone sales aren't all that ail Apple in China. Competition from local smartphone rivals, trade-dispute fallout and a court battle could make 2019 a tough year for the company in its most important market outside the U.S.

Apple stock gets downgraded on worries about slowing iPhone sales growth. | Barron's
Dec 4, 2018 — The heady days of big iPhone sales growth rates are over, according to HSBC Global Research. The firm’s analyst Erwan Rambourg lowered his rating for Apple (ticker: AAPL) stock to Hold from Buy, citing the market saturation in the global smartphone market.

Apple Suppliers Suffer With Uncertainty Around iPhone Demand - Wall Street Journal
Nov 19, 2018 — In recent weeks, Apple slashed production orders for all three iPhone models that it unveiled in September.

Apple to Cut iPhone X Production in the Face of Weak Demand - WSJ
Jan 30, 2018 — Apple Inc. is slashing planned production of the iPhone X for the three-month period ending March 31, people familiar with the matter say, in a sign of weaker-than-expected demand for the pricey handset.

Apple Cuts iPhone 5C Orders - WSJ
Oct 16, 2013 — Apple's Dual iPhone Strategy in Doubt · Company Cuts iPhone 5C Orders, Raising Concerns About Demand for Lower-Cost Device

Apple Cuts Orders for iPhone Parts - WSJ
Jan 14, 2013 — Apple has cut its component orders for the iPhone 5 due to weaker-than-expected demand, people familiar with the situation said Monday, indicating sales haven't been as strong as previously anticipated.
 
A limited run would be a waste of time and money for Apple.

The sales weren't there because its screen is too small for what you pay. Despite the fact it was $100 less, almost nobody thought the iPhone 13 mini was a good deal even though it otherwise had the same feature set as the iPhone 13. Well, almost the same feature set: The poor battery life of the 13 mini didn't help its cause either.

The fact of the matter is in 2022, people want big screens, or even bigger screens. Thus, Apple kept the 6.1" screen, and introduced the 6.7" screen to the non-Pro line, something that people have been asking for for years actually. This year will likely represent the highest selling year of all time for 6.7" iPhones, as it will include both the 14 Pro Max and the 14 Plus. Furthermore, I suspect over the course of the year, the 14 Plus will outsell 14 Pro Max by a significant margin, purely because of cost. As others have already said in this thread, the launch month of September skews heavily toward Pro/Max buyers, whereas regular mainstream buyers on a budget tend to just buy cheaper models when they need to during the year.

The projections (and sales) of the 13 mini are better than the 14 plus, which has the same huge screen you love so much.

You seem to me completely in the puberty phase.
 
This is all well and good, apart from the Pro Series having eye crushing OLED PWM frequencies, with the vanilla iPhone 14 having the highest out the range

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Either this intentional on Apple's part or they just read the market wrong.
I predict they are not gonna do this next year and make sure even the standard models get the latest tech. Because its a costly process to maintain two separate product lines as flagship.

I wouldn't be surprised that you will two A17 SoC's: one with four GPU cores and 6 GB of RAM for the iPhone 15 model, and one with 8 GB of RAM and five GPU cores for the iPhone 15 Pro model.
 
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It may be true for the "regular" iPhone 14 models, but I think the iPhone 14 Plus could be a surprising best seller because 1) so many people now use their cellphones as their primary Internet access device and 2) the aging Baby Boomer and Generation X crowd want to use larger phones for easier readability.
This could be me. I have the 14 pro max but the 14 plus could have done me just fine. I’m not massive into taking photos/video so wouldn’t need the camera and for the life of me I cannot tell the difference between a 60hz screen or a 120hz! (Even though my wife’s 13pro our iPad pro and kids MacBook Pro all have them). Dynamic island vs notch is much of a muchness if I’m honest and always on display I don’t really need. So yes, I feel the 14 plus although it has been panned, for a lot of people could work quite well.
 
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Either this intentional on Apple's part or they just read the market wrong.
I predict they are not gonna do this next year and make sure even the standard models get the latest tech. Because its a costly process to maintain two separate product lines as flagship. It would be better all have the same internals to keep cost down and just differentiate on things like storage and screen size.

It wouldn't be surprise me if by early next year we see some significant discounts and aggressive trade in offers just to get people to take all those iPhone 14 and 14 Plus sitting in warehouses.
Apple is always adjusting it's production lines and things may change in a few months as the holiday season starts approaching. Foxconn seems to have the ability to ramp up or down fairly fast.
 
The 14 Plus will sell very well, and way, way, way better than the mini ever did of course. Just not in the first month, especially considering it's not actually even available until October anyway.
Doubt it. $900 for a blown up version of an old phone. It’s the worst value proposition in the lineup.
I agree!

And I think they ought to change from ultra wide angle to a 2x zoom. It pains me to say that, because I use the ultra wide lens often. But when I have a phone that lacks a 2x lens option I really feel it when taking portraits. Wide lens isn’t flattering to people or even pets. It makes the nose look bigger and makes everything else seem to recede a bit.
Sadly, Apple is well aware that people would rather have zoom than ultra wide, and that’s precisely why it won’t come to the cheaper model. I’ve used my ultra wide maybe 5 times in two years.
I do think the 14 Plus sales will exceed expectations. For a long time, I’ve talked to users who were upgrading from older iPhones (4-6 years old), average consumer types, who want a cheaper iPhone—a non-pro model being more than sufficient. But, they do want a larger screen or larger battery. The Pro Max is more than they want to spend and they really don’t want or need high-end features/camera. Finally, Apple has the perfect phone for their needs.
But it’s not “a cheaper iPhone.” It’s $900. It’s an absurdly bad value. I predict it’ll be the worst selling of any iPhone 14 model.
 
Every year after an iPhone release we get these stores that claim Apple is cutting production.

Apple cuts production of iPhone 13 due to decrease in demand
Dec 2, 2021 — Apple has cut production of the iPhone 13 after demand for the product had slowed down due to the ongoing effects of the supply chain crisis.

The Phone That's Failing Apple: iPhone XR - WSJ
Jan 6, 2019 — Tepid iPhone sales aren't all that ail Apple in China. Competition from local smartphone rivals, trade-dispute fallout and a court battle could make 2019 a tough year for the company in its most important market outside the U.S.

Apple stock gets downgraded on worries about slowing iPhone sales growth. | Barron's
Dec 4, 2018 — The heady days of big iPhone sales growth rates are over, according to HSBC Global Research. The firm’s analyst Erwan Rambourg lowered his rating for Apple (ticker: AAPL) stock to Hold from Buy, citing the market saturation in the global smartphone market.

Apple Suppliers Suffer With Uncertainty Around iPhone Demand - Wall Street Journal
Nov 19, 2018 — In recent weeks, Apple slashed production orders for all three iPhone models that it unveiled in September.

Apple to Cut iPhone X Production in the Face of Weak Demand - WSJ
Jan 30, 2018 — Apple Inc. is slashing planned production of the iPhone X for the three-month period ending March 31, people familiar with the matter say, in a sign of weaker-than-expected demand for the pricey handset.

Apple Cuts iPhone 5C Orders - WSJ
Oct 16, 2013 — Apple's Dual iPhone Strategy in Doubt · Company Cuts iPhone 5C Orders, Raising Concerns About Demand for Lower-Cost Device

Apple Cuts Orders for iPhone Parts - WSJ
Jan 14, 2013 — Apple has cut its component orders for the iPhone 5 due to weaker-than-expected demand, people familiar with the situation said Monday, indicating sales haven't been as strong as previously anticipated.
September is rather early, don't you think?
 
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My relatively budget conscious younger brother, who always gets the standard iPhone, is even planning to upgrade from the iPhone 11 to the 14 Pro because the regular 14 just doesn't seem that much different to him than what he's even using now.

Tougher and tougher to get people excited about phones where the improvements are so incremental / the platform is so mature.
 
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