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I'll be bold enough to say that I trust Google's privacy policies than Apple's.
They're both big companies with a lot to lose. Apple, Microsoft, Oracle, Google, Amazon.... they invest a lot into security just to keep up the front facing image.

With the WD MyBook Live hack ... I'd have a hard time putting my data in any cloud service that wasn't big company level cloud.
 
Someone just beg Apple to control his/her as a whole. They will be more than happy to buy everything made by Apple. I would not be surprised if Apple eventually builds their own fab, own screen factory, own components factory, and eventually becomes the world’s only company to completely produce any electronic device without any external support.
I doubt that, Apple operates by sourcing from whoever currently has the best parts, investing in that just means that money will go down the drain when someone one ups them where as now they just change to that better supplier
 
In western countries, it's been called "lawful access" ever since 9/11 (aka Patriot Act in the US) - but ALL countries around the world that care about espionage and terrorism have similar legislation.

EVERY service provider that has infrastructure has to provide access when given a subpoena by the government. Period. Don't like it? Don't do business in that country. Those are the rules.

Don't want the feds to get your data? Don't back your device up to the cloud.

I don't back up to the cloud. Apple had plans to encrypt everything and then caved. They should revisit it and allow people to have the choice to encrypt it or not.
 
"Apple needs to just ignore the US Government and implement their plan to use on device keys to encrypt all data leaving the phone just as the phone is encrypted."

Who do you think would win that battle?

Given there is no current law that requires them to leave all data decrypted, yes, I think they should do so.

As far as the battle goes, it is an open question. Apple would probably win in the courts under current law. Given the fascist/socialist nature of many in DC, they could always change the law.
 
What superior tech does Apple have that makes them immune to the bad actors you named? Google as a company is garbage, but I doubt their servers are more vulnerable than Apple's.

Only the same superior technology that everyone else has: end to end encryption using on device keys so that a compromise of one key only compromises one phone/ipad/mac backup vs millions of backups.

And that was the point: both can be hacked, have bad actors in the company etc.

As long as they present a huge target with millions of terabytes of data protected by one key (or one set of keys) controlled by someone (or some group) at Apple, there is a huge benefit to people - government actors (NSA, Russia, China, NK, etc) and private actors - attempting to get access to the data through all the methods that have been used to do so over the past 4 decades, only easier over that last 25 years when most things are connected to the internet.
 
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It also seems that Apple thinks Google to be a lesser threat than Amazon to have chosen Google Cloud over Amazon to store data.
Apple also use AWS, apparently two years ago spending $30 million per month. They used to leverage Azure as well but picked up Google back in 2016.

2 trillion dollar company… you would think they would invest right!
They invest but there is a level of pragmatism of outsourcing bulk storage to third party vendors. It makes more sense to pay AWS and Google to store those chunks of data and have them be responsible for additional replication. Depending on how Apple has structured the pieces, having copies on two independent clouds allows for handling outages in a single vendor (including Apple themselves if they handled storage) and for the other clouds possibly locating data in regions closer to the user (e.g. Australian user data for iCloud stored primarily in Australia to provide a better experience for those users rather than round tripping to somewhere in the US). Setting up global data centre presences is complicated and expensive, why not outsource the easy block storage?
 
But Apple Privacy bla bla, thats why I buy Apple, but Timo said.. human right, greed, smoke.
You can’t or choose not to read do you. Google has no access to the encryption key so cry about privacy and I’m not sure what human rights has to do with this story but I guess if you’re a full time crybaby about Apple and Tim Cook this is the place for you.
 
I don't back up to the cloud. Apple had plans to encrypt everything and then caved. They should revisit it and allow people to have the choice to encrypt it or not.
You're making a lot of assumptions here. Encryption doesn't mean that the Feds can't subpoena the encryption keys - and any system that will be in place today will have that.
There are non-public courts specifically to deal with these subpoenas.
 
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Apple does not encrypt your iCloud emails.
And Google isn't stupid enough to access their customer's (Apple) data. Both of these companies have massive legal departments and more than enough surveillance in place that it would be obvious if there were breaches.

Google would be out of the cloud business if they started digging through private data. All of their CxO's would be wearing pumpkin. :)
 
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8 Exabytes for $300M a year. Which means Apple is paying Google $1 a month for 320GB of storage.
I think you might have misplaced a decimal there... By my math it's more like $1/month for 32GB, or more accurately, just under 29GB, since 8 Exabytes is actually 8,589,934,592 GB, due to the binary, rather than decimal multipliers (8*2^30 or 8*1024*1024*1024).

To look at it another way, Apple is paying 300 million dollars per month for 8,590 million gigabytes of storage, which works out to around 3.5 cents per GB.

That's actually not that much of a bargain, which is surprising considering the scale, but of course it's also important to keep in mind that cloud storage pricing is very complicated, and includes not only costs for the actual storage at rest, but also all of the network traffic costs to move the data around, and it's safe to say Apple is likely moving a lot of data back and forth, since it sounds like this is all "live" storage for iCloud users.

What's more interesting is that it would mean that Apple is losing money on its 2TB iCloud plans in this case, since it's only charging those users $0.005/GB. Of course, it's also safe to say that storage in Apple's own data centres likely costs considerably less than it's paying Google, so it's probably still making a healthy profit overall.
 
People don't expect to have to trust GOOGLE when they give their private (unencrypted) data to APPLE.
You don't need to trust Google, you just need to trust Apple.

From page 125 of Apple's Platform Security Guide (emphasis mine):

Each file is broken into chunks and encrypted by iCloud using AES128 and a key derived from each chunk’s contents, with the keys using SHA256. The keys and the file’s metadata are stored by Apple in the user’s iCloud account. The encrypted chunks of the file are stored, without any user-identifying information or the keys, using both Apple and third- party storage services—such as Amazon Web Services or Google Cloud Platform—but these partners don’t have the keys to decrypt the user’s data stored on their servers.
 
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That's not the point though... is it

People don't expect to have to trust GOOGLE when they give their private (unencrypted) data to APPLE.

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Wow. You expect all of the companies that you deal with to tell you what outsourcing they do? Look at the T's and C's (not that anyone reads them) - you'll quickly find that they can do whatever they like in terms of changing their service infrastructure without giving you any information whatsoever.

The two sides of the company won't have anything to do with each other. They can't. It's just like AWS doesn't sell toilet paper - they're a hosting company.

This is a non-story peeps. The search engine guys don't get access to the corporate cloud business.

(now, that being said, those that use Google's consumer cloud? Yep - Google owns you - of course).
 
Not long before Apple starts hosting it themselves, seems like an easy way to save a ton of money.

You might be right but cloud storage is ultra competitive right now. Microsoft, Amazon, Google, others. And due to the future projected profits from cloud business, big players are willing to cut rates, even take a loss. So for Apple and a number of other companies, buying the storage from an existing provider is the better business move.
 
You're making a lot of assumptions here. Encryption doesn't mean that the Feds can't subpoena the encryption keys - and any system that will be in place today will have that.
There are non-public courts specifically to deal with these subpoenas.
No assumptions, I know the US law on subpoenaing the private keys on your device.

The Feds do not yet require back doors be installed on devices/software. Let's hope they never do require it. Classifying PGP as munitions was bad enough.
 
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Apple has dramatically increased the amount of iCloud user data it stores on Google Cloud, according to The Information.

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The report claims Apple now has over eight million terabytes of data stored on Google's servers. As of mid-May, Apple was reportedly on track to spend around $300 million on Google cloud storage services this year, which would represent an increase of roughly 50% from all of 2020. Apple is said to be the largest corporate client for Google Cloud, dwarfing other high-profile customers like Spotify.

Google Cloud staffers have apparently even given Apple an internal code name that hints at its size as a customer: "Bigfoot."

Apple relies on a combination of its own data centers and third-party cloud storage services, such as Google Cloud and Amazon Web Services, to store iCloud user data like photos and messages. Apple does not provide third-party cloud storage providers with the keys to decrypt user data stored on their servers, ensuring a strong level of security.

The report speculates that Apple's increased use of Google Cloud suggests the company's rising cloud storage requirements have outpaced its ability to develop and operate its own data centers needed to handle the resulting data.

Article Link: Apple Reportedly Storing Over 8 Million Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

Apple Reportedly Storing Over 8 exabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers​


*Would have been more clickbate-able.

*Most do know TB nowadays, exabytes is another story, thus more clicks.
you're welcome.:cool:
 
So Google has my data? Great!

not sure how I feel about that. Hope they follow the privacy guidelines like Apple does.
This is Apple using Google Cloud as a cloud service provider similar to how aws or azure would work. Google would only see encrypted gibberish as they aren’t given the decryption keys. The only data they can glean from this how much storage Apple is using on their servers and how much compute power is being consumed by iCloud.
 
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