So many people completely not getting that Steve Jobs was never against writing with a pen or drawing with pencil, he was against clicking screen buttons with a stick.
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Apple Researching Stylus Concepts with Optical Tracking and Haptic Feedback
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This. Absolutely.
I can't tell you how many Windows CE devices and Palm devices I bought over the years, thinking they would somehow change my life (or at least organize it better). Most ended up given as toys to nieces and nephews after I'd used them for a few months.
The iPhone really did change my life, and I think the convenience of not having to use a stylus to operate it played a large role. I can see where a stylus could be useful for certain tasks, but to paraphrase Mr. Jobs: "If your OS or app can't be used effectively without a stylus, you blew it."
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This, too.
I can see the stylus as an optional accessory by Apple in the future, just like the SmartCover on the iPad 2.
Nothing wrong with that, i say bring it!
Nothing wrong with that, i say bring it!
Because all the current styli suck? Using pencil/pen and paper is much quicker and way more natural. Until there is a better stylus (preferably first party solution) that mimics this, an iPad just can't replace the 3-4 binders (with notebooks) that I carry around daily.
Don't get me wrong, I still mess around in Notability, but it's just not the same
Because all the current styli suck? Using pencil/pen and paper is much quicker and way more natural. Until there is a better stylus (preferably first party solution) that mimics this, an iPad just can't replace the 3-4 binders (with notebooks) that I carry around daily.
Don't get me wrong, I still mess around in Notability, but it's just not the same
I've tried a wacom device(and not one of those fickey tablet pc with a wacom digitizer) and I must say I was thoroughly impressed. It was one of those Cintiq models, hooked up to a Power Mac and was pretty fluid, like pen and paper. Now if Apple were to replicate Wacom's quality I'd be up for it, because I can't stand Wacom's strangle on this category/market.
Jobs was a salesman, and dissed anything that his product line didn't have at that moment. It was usually a bad longterm idea to hang your hat on anything he said when it came to sales pitches.
Apple came very close to putting out an iPhone that used an iPod trackwheel. If they had, fans would be praising Jobs' non-acceptance of touchscreens.
Exactly.
Personally, I mostly used the stylus on all my Windows Mobile phones to draw quick notes with before going to Home Depot for materials.
The rest of the time I just used my finger or fingernail, depending on the sensitivity of the device's screen, along with the cursor keys (which are still the fastest way to one-handedly scroll a large document).
Interestingly, my daughter learned to write the alphabet very early on because of a stylus on a Windows CE device with handwriting recognition. She would write a letter and see if it was able to translate it to the intended character. It was fun for her and gave instant reinforcement right or wrong.
A stylus is a writing implement, a finger is not.
A stylus is a writing implement.
Your finger is not a stylus, it is best for point and tap, but a very poor tool for writing.
The success of stylus market for IOS devices testifies there is a market. And it would be great if Apple got into that market with an iStylus **option**, because we know they'd do it better than most.
A stylus is a writing implement.
Your finger is not a stylus, it is best for point and tap, but a very poor tool for writing.
The success of stylus market for IOS devices testifies there is a market. And it would be great if Apple got into that market with an iStylus **option**, because we know they'd do it better than most.
Well said!
Very well said.
I think the "fingers only" propaganda was typical Steve - i.e. make the way we are doing it *now* the only logical way. Like he did so often - e.g. flash memory media players being stupid.
We needed the iPhone to be finger based though to get us away from using styluses for everything on touch devices. Now that that bond has been broken, we can start using styluses for what they should be used for - drawing and handwriting.
Very well said.
I think the "fingers only" propaganda was typical Steve - i.e. make the way we are doing it *now* the only logical way. Like he did so often - e.g. flash memory media players being stupid.
We needed the iPhone to be finger based though to get us away from using styluses for everything on touch devices. Now that that bond has been broken, we can start using styluses for what they should be used for - drawing and handwriting.
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The man who created this company regularly panned other ways of doing things - until Apple did them.
And why wouldn't he? Is he going to come out and say"Styluses are great - but we're not doing them."? Of course he's going to say styluses are crap.
But on this occasion he was saying more than that - he was saying styluses as the primary method of interfacing with an iPhone like device is stupid.
^this is an example of total ignorance and is totally childish. I'd bet ur not over 16. What's wrong with a stylus as an accessory? I'd LOVE to have the option to use an accurate stylus for some apps. It's a total plus!! C'mon now.
Good intentions and there is a definite need for a stylus, but there are three issues I see with this. They will need some sort of screen covering to get rid of the glass texture because that will be horrid even with haptic feedback. Another point is, how long would it take for the camera to be obscured by grime or dust or whatever. Finally, it seems like their will be an issue if the stylus isn't perpendicular to the screen, as the angle moves away from 90 degrees, the camera's going to have difficulties tracking unless it rotates to always be facing the screen.
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Pretty sure he was referring to things that /require/ a stylus.
A stylus would be no means be mandatory on an iPad, but would definitely open the doors to way more versatility for drawing / graphics and such.
Love it!
Don't be such s**theads just because Steve said he didn't like a stylus.
As a student, I would love to have an Apple made stylus that would work flawlessly with my iPad. This would allow me to free hand digital notes or note my ibook (textbook) pages. It would be great, and be much effective then trying to use my finger.
Don't be such s**theads just because Steve said he didn't like a stylus.
As a student, I would love to have an Apple made stylus that would work flawlessly with my iPad. This would allow me to free hand digital notes or note my ibook (textbook) pages. It would be great, and be much effective then trying to use my finger.
next big thing
Student adoptation of stylus technology in this fall's release of win 8 tablets and convetibles could restore momentum to the windows world. A truly functional digital notepad in a 11" form factor, running x86 software, could change a lot of perceptions about what a tablet could be. Apple has been fortunate to have had such lousy competition--but Samsung may be up to the challenge--the Slate 7 is great.
Student adoptation of stylus technology in this fall's release of win 8 tablets and convetibles could restore momentum to the windows world. A truly functional digital notepad in a 11" form factor, running x86 software, could change a lot of perceptions about what a tablet could be. Apple has been fortunate to have had such lousy competition--but Samsung may be up to the challenge--the Slate 7 is great.
Why shouldn't they. apple is in the prime position to fully understand how to make a stylus work best.
The only concern should be if they make it mandatory like the pre iPhone PDAs etc. and Apple isn't likely to do that. But some folks do want a stylus for drawing and such so why not make one for those folks and you can keep using your finger
total myth created by the media constantly misquoting him.
If you actually go back to that keynote he crap talked requiring a stylus. Because if you lost it you were screwed.
Let's not forget that stylus support has been there since day one, and at one point they even sold several in their stores. Neither fit that whole 'didn't want them touching his devices' claim
If somebody is interested, here is a dissertation about such a stylus:
http://e-collection.library.ethz.ch/eserv/eth:5394/eth-5394-01.pdf
(PS: Greetings to Adriana)
And here the fundamentals from Beat Signer: http://e-collection.library.ethz.ch/eserv/eth:28630/eth-28630-01.pdf
Link to viewable pdf: http://vub.academia.edu/BeatSigner/Papers/88531/Fundamental_Concepts_for_Interactive_Paper_and_Cross-Media_Information_Spaces
http://e-collection.library.ethz.ch/eserv/eth:5394/eth-5394-01.pdf
(PS: Greetings to Adriana)
And here the fundamentals from Beat Signer: http://e-collection.library.ethz.ch/eserv/eth:28630/eth-28630-01.pdf
Link to viewable pdf: http://vub.academia.edu/BeatSigner/Papers/88531/Fundamental_Concepts_for_Interactive_Paper_and_Cross-Media_Information_Spaces
Because all the current styli suck? Using pencil/pen and paper is much quicker and way more natural. Until there is a better stylus (preferably first party solution) that mimics this, an iPad just can't replace the 3-4 binders (with notebooks) that I carry around daily.
Don't get me wrong, I still mess around in Notability, but it's just not the same
However, you didn't say "because all styli suck", but rather "because styli support isn't integrated everywhere". Key difference =)
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Why do people have an issue writing on glass? I loathe high friction writing, totally kills the flow of things. As long as they find a way to properly grasp pressure and angle, and ensures a smooth writing experience overall, i don't see any problems at all.
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Actually, your fingers is quite poor even at pointing and tapping; low accuracy, high blockage of content. What fingers are, on the other hand, are natural and always with you. This makes fingers "good enough", but there is really nothing great about them when it comes to these types of interaction* (which is why we build tools to enhance them in the first place).
(Don't get me wrong here: fingers are great for a lot of things, especially when talking about fingers in plural. At least as long as you have decent fine motor skills).
* Keyboards is somewhat of an exception, as long as keys are sufficiently large. However, this is still despite us having big, fat, fingers, rather than thanks to it. =)
I don't understand how this would tackle Jobs' main argument against styluses:
I know it was just marketing talk, but still. If they include the stylus in the next iteration of the iPhone, there will obviously be a lot of fluff around the reason why it's so "revolutionary" and "the next big thing" which might convince a lot of people, but in my opinion in might be quite risky. I actually predict an alternative, a "touchless" gesture recognition system.Steve Jobs said: