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Quite easy actually, I'm an Android user where there aren't restrictions of any kind.


Actually Mike, to be technically correct, you are not merely an Android user; you are a angry troll. What happened back in Philly that embittered you so much that you would spend so much time trolling on a website for Apple enthusiasts ? Was your corrupt circle of cops exposed when some of the group's members didn't have iPhones and didn't get the iMessage that Internal Affairs was on the way???? Let go of the anger Mike, it's destroying you and those around you.
 
Why don't they make enough phones. Jeez every single year.

Right now Apple is manufacturing somewhere between 821K and 854K phones every day. And selling every single phone that is manufactured.

How many phones a day would you recommend Apple manufacture? And how does that relate to their daily maximum manufacturing capacity (including the manufacturing capability for each one of their many component suppliers), and the infrastructure that is available to distribute each one of those phones to purchasers?
 
Absolutely not. Why should those of us who choose not to 'pay to play' be penalized?

If that's your choice, then you go compete with the others that try to pre-order and pay outright or go through other carrier financing. There isn't really any hidden fees to IUP. It's a 24 month installment plan to get an iPhone without interest based off a credit check. And you're only forced into Apple Care, which is sold as is and doesn't include any extra interest or a load of hidden fees.

Who says Apple cannot ramp up manufacturing devices for 2017 and sell some stock only for IUP members? They earned the right to get that because they wanted to sign up for a "SERVICE" that Apple offers. If you don't want to stay up till 3 AM EST or slightly later, stand in line for a phone, or wait a few weeks for a phone, then idk what to tell you? Nobody is going to hold a phone for you at your leisure at launch without some effort involved.
 
Right now Apple is manufacturing somewhere between 821K and 854K phones every day. And selling every single phone that is manufactured.

How many phones a day would you recommend Apple manufacture? And how does that relate to their daily maximum manufacturing capability, and the infrastructure that is available to distribute each one of those phones to purchasers?

Idk where you're getting your #s from, but Apple would need more factories if they keep selling more and more phones. That means Foxconn and others need to get more inventory out somehow, which makes QC harder and more issues likely. It wasn't expected for Samsung's batteries to create issues either. So people are switching back to the iPhone because they don't want to deal with Samsung right now.
 
The really frustrating thing is that there doesn't seem to be a option to reserve a phone for customers not on the iPhone Upgrade Program.
 
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Idk where you're getting your #s from, but Apple would need more factories if they keep selling more and more phones. That means Foxconn and others need to get more inventory out somehow, which makes QC harder and more issues likely. It wasn't expected for Samsung's batteries to create issues either. So people are switching back to the iPhone because they don't want to deal with Samsung right now.

And "somehow" is the operative word. And it would need to happen quickly - within a day, ideally - not weeks or months. But it's not just Foxcon. It's also all the component suppliers who make parts that go into each phone. How fast can they ramp up production? What if there's a display shortage from their display vendor, just as one example? And nobody wants to sit on idle excess parts inventory.

And then then there's all the infrastructure needed to get phones in customers' hands. And that's worldwide. Predicting that accurately is tough. As is ramping up production, demanding Foxocon and all of its component suppliers turning on a dime instantaneously with excess capacity and materials that might not be available.

"So people are switching back to the iPhone because they don't want to deal with Samsung right now."

That's true. But the good news is that's not a huge number. From recall data, of the 2.5 million Note 7 phones sold during the two weeks before the recall, 1 million went to US customers. Not a very large number over a two week period. From a survey, 26% of those will take the recall money instead of a replacement Note 7 and purchase an iPhone. But there is also the lost goodwill from potential Note 7 purchasers who going forward will try an iPhone. Have no idea what that number is. I guess that would be some smallish percentage of the expected Note 7 daily sales.

Disclaimer: A lot of handwaving up above. But it should give a rough idea about what's involved.
 
If that's your choice, then you go compete with the others that try to pre-order and pay outright or go through other carrier financing. There isn't really any hidden fees to IUP. It's a 24 month installment plan to get an iPhone without interest based off a credit check. And you're only forced into Apple Care, which is sold as is and doesn't include any extra interest or a load of hidden fees.

Who says Apple cannot ramp up manufacturing devices for 2017 and sell some stock only for IUP members? They earned the right to get that because they wanted to sign up for a "SERVICE" that Apple offers. If you don't want to stay up till 3 AM EST or slightly later, stand in line for a phone, or wait a few weeks for a phone, then idk what to tell you? Nobody is going to hold a phone for you at your leisure at launch without some effort involved.

I get all the arguments for the Apple-sponsored and carrier-sponsored "free financing" plans. I just choose not to do so. I have never traded a device in as a down payment (or surrendered a device) to qualify for a new one. I hand them down to family members.

Who says Apple has to ramp up just to make stock for the IUP customers? Does Apple make more or less money/profit from the IUP? Bottom line is they sell each level/configuration of device for the same price (at least within each country), so why does it matter if all devices are up in the same pool for customers to pre-order or purchase from?

I also understand that no one will hold a phone for me at my leisure during the launch feeding frenzy. I never asked them to. I was up and online at launch time on Sep 9, just like millions of other people. I ordered the device that I wanted, and am now waiting for the October 4-10 delivery date. I'm good with that - it's fair to everyone and it's how it works.

However, because no one wants to wait any longer than necessary, I got busy every night at midnight looking for a phone in my area to purchase right now. And my diligence and persistence paid off - I got one yesterday.

Now, tell me again why Apple should reserve a block of phones for those who choose to pay for it differently than I do? Just because they signed up for a "service" (really? it's a service?) you think they should get special treatment? I disagree.
 
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And "somehow" is the operative word. And it would need to happen quickly - within a day, ideally - not weeks or months. But it's not just Foxcon. It's also all the component suppliers who make parts that go into each phone. How fast can they ramp up production? What if there's a display shortage from their display vendor, just as one example? And nobody wants to sit on idle excess parts inventory.

And then then there's all the infrastructure needed to get phones in customers' hands. And that's worldwide. Predicting that accurately is tough. As is ramping up production, demanding Foxocon and all of its component suppliers turning on a dime instantaneously with excess capacity and materials that might not be available.

"So people are switching back to the iPhone because they don't want to deal with Samsung right now."

That's true. But the good news is that's not a huge number. From recall data, of the 2.5 million Note 7 phones sold during the two weeks before the recall, 1 million went to US customers. Not a very large number over a two week period. From a survey, 26% of those will take the recall money instead of a replacement Note 7 and purchase an iPhone. But there is also the lost goodwill from potential Note 7 purchasers who going forward will try an iPhone. Have no idea what that number is. I guess that would be some smallish percentage of the expected Note 7 daily sales.

Disclaimer: A lot of handwaving up above. But it should give a rough idea about what's involved.

Shortages could happen, but I am talking about the future. I am sure Tim Cook and his colleagues discussed changes for 2017. I am sure Johnny Ive is already at work with the 2017 model. They probably need to finalize a few concepts in the next few months especially given the 2017 rumors and Kuo being a popular "analyst" that delivers information. We knew months in advance regarding the headphone jack removal.
 
If I did not care about the 650 dollar trade in with VZ, I would do the upgrade program with Apple.

This is exactly my issue....my cheap side will not let me reserve it through Apple......so now i have to play the waiting game... :(
 
Shortages could happen, but I am talking about the future. I am sure Tim Cook and his colleagues discussed changes for 2017. I am sure Johnny Ive is already at work with the 2017 model. They probably need to finalize a few concepts in the next few months especially given the 2017 rumors and Kuo being a popular "analyst" that delivers information. We knew months in advance regarding the headphone jack removal.

The future is fine - the craziness and shortage will settle down.

I was talking about the initial release, the subject of this thread relating to customers' unhappiness about not getting phones a quickly as they want.
 
The future is fine - the craziness and shortage will settle down.

I was talking about the initial release, the subject of this thread relating to customers' unhappiness about not getting phones a quickly as they want.

But there have been comments regarding 2017 for months, so it's expected to be in a topic because people are mentioning the IUP + $400+ for 12 months of payments. The IUP is intended for 2017 when people get a 2016 model.
 
Holy cow. Are you kidding me with this article?? People were gaming the reservation system for the IUP to get to the front of the line???

That makes the third time Apple has burned IUP members like me, and shame on you people who cut in line.
You can't be serious!? Cut in line? They are paying full price, and you can't even afford the 1000 dollar phone your buying, play troll somewhere else. I hope you never get your phone
 
You can't be serious!? Cut in line? They are paying full price, and you can't even afford the 1000 dollar phone your buying, play troll somewhere else. I hope you never get your phone

Why are we being so judgmental towards those that use a finance program to buy a phone? Just because someone can drop $1000 on a phone doesn't mean they have to. Financial programs give flexibility to spread $ over time.
 
Why are we being so judgmental towards those that use a finance program to buy a phone? Just because someone can drop $1000 on a phone doesn't mean they have to. Financial programs give flexibility to spread $ over time.
Because of the comment,it is far from cutting in line, if anything people wanting to buy the phone flat out are getting screwed. Apple has made a flat out mockery of this launch.
 
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Because of the comment,it is far from cutting in line, if anything people wanting to buy the phone flat out are getting screwed. Apple has made a flat out mockery of this launch.

Why are you letting that commenter get to you though? His comments made you type something that doesn't make sense either. Apple didn't anticipate the demand. Plus, there are tons of scalpers out there ruining it for others like you that want a phone for personal and/or business use.
 
This news is 100% ********. I reserved a Plus model after this article was posted and my email states I can purchase through my carrier program in store.
 
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I just got back from doing this. I reserved last night, canceled my ATT upgrade this morning, and picked up my iPhone 7+ Black 128 g a few hours ago. Was able to pay with carrier financing without a hitch.
 
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Apple didn't anticipate the demand.

How did Apple not anticipate the demand? Every year the launch day demand increases. Every year they sell more phones than they did the previous year.
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This news is 100% ********. I reserved a Plus model after this article was posted and my email states I can purchase through my carrier program in store.

Take the email with you to the store and make them comply.
 
Actually Mike, to be technically correct, you are not merely an Android user; you are a angry troll. What happened back in Philly that embittered you so much that you would spend so much time trolling on a website for Apple enthusiasts ? Was your corrupt circle of cops exposed when some of the group's members didn't have iPhones and didn't get the iMessage that Internal Affairs was on the way???? Let go of the anger Mike, it's destroying you and those around you.

Remember when I said no half measures? That was Apple's approach by releasing crippled devices.
 
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Why are you letting that commenter get to you though? His comments made you type something that doesn't make sense either. Apple didn't anticipate the demand. Plus, there are tons of scalpers out there ruining it for others like you that want a phone for personal and/or business use.
Easy solution. You can buy full price if you have an account
 
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