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Is everyone just ignoring the 24-hour shift limit? Or are there exceptions? Or is it state-specific? I thought the law limiting residents' shifts to 24 straight was passed at the federal level. Maybe it never passed.

Of course, it is surg, not medicine. You guys are all cowboys, anyway. ;-)

And just to keep this on topic, those are MONSTER lines. I really do bet it's a lot of people who are buying their first iPad.

As for paying $900 for the first spot in line, I wouldn't do it. But people do all kinds of crazy things to be first to do or own something. Forking over $900 would be on the low side of crazy in these endeavors.

The ACGME has adopted the IOM recommendations, effective for PGY-1s starting July 2011.

Interns will now no longer be able to work more than 16 consecutive hours. There is a mandatory 8-hour break between work days although I'm sure many programs will fudge a bit.

Essentially, interns can no longer take call.

And, yes - I have friends waiting in line at the Dallas Apple Stores and they're telling me it's getting crazy! Can't wait to get my white iPad 2.
 
The ACGME has adopted the IOM recommendations, effective for PGY-1s starting July 2011.

Interns will now no longer be able to work more than 16 consecutive hours. There is a mandatory 8-hour break between work days although I'm sure many programs will fudge a bit.

Essentially, interns can no longer take call.

And, yes - I have friends waiting in line at the Dallas Apple Stores and they're telling me it's getting crazy! Can't wait.

OT, but you youngin's have it way too easy. 36 hours was considered normal for a on-call day for my intern year. q3d was also considered 'normal'
 
For those who are reporting they work 60 - 120 hours a week... Are they true work hours or are many of those hours spent on other things, like posting on MacRumors?! :D
 
My iPod Touch has a calculator app, so I was able to divide 120 by 7, getting 17.1.

You're saying you worked 17 hours and 8 minutes a day, seven days a week? If you arrived at work at 6 A.M., you'd leave at 8 minutes after 11 P.M.? Every day? And some weeks you worked an extra 10 hours? That's more than another hour each day? 6 A.M to 12 midnight seven days a week?

Sounds like my residency! Got there before 7 every morning and often left at 2:30 am. Gotta love those 18-hour days!
 
OT, but you youngin's have it way too easy. 36 hours was considered normal for a on-call day for my intern year. q3d was also considered 'normal'

Yes, new residents are wimps. I'm an R5.

For those who are reporting they work 60 - 120 hours a week... Are they true work hours or are many of those hours spent on other things, like posting on MacRumors?! :D

Ha, luckily this is my research year so I'm lounging around. In a few months, I'll be back on the wards saving lives.

Sounds like my residency! Got there before 7 every morning and often left at 2:30 am. Gotta love those 18-hour days!

Surg?
 
Maybe its just me, but I'd feel like a bit of a douche dropping up to almost $1000 on a toy when people in Japan just lost everything they own. Wonder if Apple would donate some of its billions of profits on the iPad to rebuilding efforts.
 
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About 50 people ahead & behind me at the local BB in Patchogue NY. I got ticket 4 of 10 for 64GB Wifi only in white. Kinda shocked it's such a low number of this model.

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Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'.

Talk about an easy upbringing:

WALK to school, no bus.
Up hill both ways BAREFOOT
No water in our backpacks, just books

.........and we had to carry our brothers and sisters in the front at the same time.

Slackers!
 
Is everyone just ignoring the 24-hour shift limit? Or are there exceptions? Or is it state-specific? I thought the law limiting residents' shifts to 24 straight was passed at the federal level. Maybe it never passed.

Of course, it is surg, not medicine. You guys are all cowboys, anyway. ;-)

The 24 hr limit is for "on call" purposes (at least until recently, I think they have implemented new regulations). That means you can be on call for 24 hrs taking admissions etc. and then there is something like 6 hours for post-call work. So the rule is 30 hours.

I am not a surgeon but often they will stay longer to do surgery on someone they admitted overnight. If it's a long surgery or it takes a while to get ready, the shifts can be longer. Also, if you are on a surgical service with home call, you can be at the hospital for much longer as long as technically you could have gone home if there was no work.
 
Essentially, interns can no longer take call.

That's going to suck for 2s and 3s. Quick! Everybody switch to psych! Freaking bankers' hours. ;-)

I wish I was getting a new white iPad 2, even though I've had an original since launch day. But my wife is in the iPad game now, having used mine some, and she doesn't want a hand-me-down -- can't blame her -- so I'd have to buy two new ones. Leaving me with the (mostly) definite decision I'm going to gamble on iPad 3 having the iPad version of the "retina" display and wait for that, if I have to buy two at once. The kids can then take over my original model.

If I had to stand in line it would be at Northpark. I don't even want to THINK about what that line would be like. That store's jam-packed on an iced-in Tuesday afternoon in January!
 
In two days they will be every where!

How does it feel to be a puppet of Steve? He could have released this the same way he released the new Macs!

And look no one even cared about the new Macs!:eek:

This shows you the way Apple is going, iPads, iPhones and iPods, NO more Macs!

What a waste!

Yeah I love Macs... They have such as great and colourful history.
 
I hate lining up for anything.

+1 It's a generational thing.

Did it once for my daughters (Furby's) and never again!

Now she is grown up and is standing in line in New Hamshire.

Just texted me the lines are insane, but it is fun.

Pictures seem the same

Say huh?
 
Maybe its just me, but I'd feel like a bit of a douche dropping up to almost $1000 on a toy when people in Japan just lost everything they own. Wonder if Apple would donate some of its billions of profits on the iPad to rebuilding efforts.

Come on.

On any given day there are many human beings that are suffering. Just because it isn't on CNN doesn't mean suffering doesn't exist.

Maybe someone who buys the iPad 2 is going to invent something that saves people from the next earthquake.

Again - just what you said about the Japan earthquake shows that people value the dollar sign ($$$) more than just about anything else.
 
How silly. Waiting in line when you can have it in a week or two, delivered right to your door.

Thats why I got up at 4am to order - dont mind the 3-5 business day wait (and getting up one hour earlier than usual). And I already thought it's silly that I got up an hour early, but seeing that short after I ordered the delivery time kept increasing, I am glad I did. At least I had good use for the extra hour in the morning and didn't waste any time freezing in lines.
 
That's going to suck for 2s and 3s. Quick! Everybody switch to psych! Freaking bankers' hours. ;-)

If I had to stand in line it would be at Northpark. I don't even want to THINK about what that line would be like. That store's jam-packed on an iced-in Tuesday afternoon in January!

Don't forget:
The R.O.A.D.S. to money.
Radiology
Ophthalmology
Anesthesiology
Dermatology
& Surgery

Interns aren't going to get enough experience. Shoot, call is when I did some of my scariest cases. Cases that gave me the confidence to realize I can do this. I'm willing to bet that medical error arises more from excessive sign-outs and patient hand-offs than from sleep deprivation. I can't even count how many times I received sign-outs consisting of, "Patient X is a 49-year-old male here for CHF exacerbation. He's been really stable. Don't worry, you won't get paged about him." Dude! That's bad for patient care!

Same here - rather be indoors at Northpark than outdoors at Knox w/ iJustin!
 
I'm not so sure that you could write off an excessive expense....I believe that you can only write off the fair market value of the item.



If you're making $600 an hour living in NYC, it also costs you way more just to live there.

It doesn't matter how much money I make........I could never justify paying 3x the price of a product just to have it on the first day. I would feel screwed every time I used the thing.

If a friend of mine told me he did that, I would laugh at him no matter how much money he had.

If you had #TigerBlood and your were #WINNING, you would not care how much you paid for an Ipad 2! Because you would fell like a brand new #F18 every time you used it.
 
Don't forget:
The R.O.A.D.S. to money.
Radiology
Ophthalmology
Anesthesiology
Dermatology
& Surgery

Interns aren't going to get enough experience. Shoot, call is when I did some of my scariest cases. Cases that gave me the confidence to realize I can do this. I'm willing to bet that medical error arises more from excessive sign-outs and patient hand-offs than from sleep deprivation. I can't even count how many times I received sign-outs consisting of, "Patient X is a 49-year-old male here for CHF exacerbation. He's been really stable. Don't worry, you won't get paged about him." Dude! That's bad for patient care!

Same here - rather be indoors at Northpark than outdoors at Knox w/ iJustin!

I have great respect for all you doctors. I work with you every day, but I am in IT.
 
These lines are nuts, my local apple store was almost as long as the iphone 4, I'm talking like 150 ppl at least and that was at 3:45. I ordered mine at 4am, but happened to be at the mall. Thank god I ordered it before the 2-3 week shipping estimates or I'd still be stuck in the line, not to mention it's 50 degrees and the store is outside. Screw that, it's not like it's the most amazing refresh ever.
 
Once ipad 2s are everywhere, people will stop paying 300+ for used original ipads bc they will know theyre outdated. :D watch out ebay!

yeah you had to sell them on Ebay last week...

Ipad 1s will be less than $250 for the 16Gb wifi model after this weekend.
 
This is downtown Charleston, SC about an hour ago. Buying mine while I am on vacation!! So yes, it is nice to have a disposable income!
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