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"Make sure your Mac can run Lion.
Your Mac must have an Intel Core 2 Duo, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7, or Xeon processor to run Lion. Find out if your current Mac has one of these processors by clicking the Apple icon at the top left of your screen, then choosing About This Mac."

So basically you need a Mac with a 64-bit processor. I'm not sure if they've released RAM requirements, but I would suggest you have at least 2GB to run any modern desktop OS.

Incorrect.

PowerPC procs were by definition 64bit only. Lion will not run on them. You must have a post ppc proc (intel) to run Lion, and I thought that they stripped those elements even in SL? I could be wrong. IIRC Leopard runs on PPC, but SL will not.
 
Incorrect.

PowerPC procs were by definition 64bit only. Lion will not run on them. You must have a post ppc proc (intel) to run Lion, and I thought that they stripped those elements even in SL? I could be wrong. IIRC Leopard runs on PPC, but SL will not.

As far i know, lion will only run in intel procesors capable of 64bit. That means, no core solo. Core duo and up.

PPC support, rosetta was an optional instal in Snow leopard. In Lion it's MIA.

Pardon my bad grammar and eve spelling. I'm kinda drunk right now.
 
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It's not like each store gets their own switch port in some WAN closet plugged directly into the Cupertino LAN. The stores' connections get concentrated into far fewer than 300 individual pipes before they drop into the network there.

And to where are the millions of customers who want to download 10.7 going to connect?

If Apple have a network to support the 10.7 release, then it should be a minor blip on the network traffic to download stuff to the stores.

But instead, they're sending hot chicks in brown uniforms to deliver hard drives to the stores.


So people who disagree with you lack basic intelligence?

Not at all. I pointed out that people are replying "without" reading the discussion in context. Something far different.

And apparently, you could work on "critical reading" skills too.


I think Apple is reducing the risk of embarrassment should any of their stores screw up the download / imaging process, knowing it's a lot easier to just stick an HDD into a Mac. Plain and simple, it's both hypocrisy and image management. Apple knows people will forget these little details, and goo themselves over Lion in the long run. :)

They could screw up copying the files from the FedEx delivered images as well. Irrelevant whether the images come over the network or delivered by hot women in brown shorts.


The ultimate irony is that they normally do distribute these images electronically. Stores have downloaded and done the image process for years. Like I said, the images are usually done days in advance.

LOL


Sigh. Without knowing what is on the "hard drive" how can you even have an intelligent discussion on using a network vs. shipping media.

I can have a very intelligent discussion, because "bits is bits". If Apple puts DMG files on a hard drive and ships them by FedEx, it's no different than Apple putting the same DMG files on a network server and letting the stores download them.

People who understand that "bits is bits" aren't arguing with me - people who blindly defend Apple are. Simple, obvious, techniques like SIS and checksums take care of issues of duplicate files and network errors. (And checksums are needed with USB drives as well, ***** happens.)

Apple are sending a boatload of bits to the stores. Send the boatload over the net, or have hunky guys in brown shorts deliver hard drives. The same bits are in the stores either way.

If you claim that the "boatload" is too big, well do the math and figure out that the downloads for 10.7 from millions of customers will be far, far larger.

Why are you guys arguing about the details of a rumour? You may as well argue about what colour Mr. Wonka would have repainted his factory in.
 
If Apple puts DMG files on a hard drive and ships them by FedEx, it's no different than Apple putting the same DMG files on a network server and letting the stores download them.

So if it's no different then where is the problem with this?

Seriously, assuming the images they're sending to the stores are 300GB, and 300+ stores, then you're trusting your network with 90TB of data over a short period. I don't know how fast their network connections are to their stores, but I highly doubt they're top notch lines directly to their new data center. They're probably using T3s or something along those lines to connect to an ISP that's routing data to an Apple server at the other end. Each store would take 17 hours to download the data on a T3.

Now, unless apple's using their data center to deploy to their stores over their company WAN, which is unlikely at this time, they're probably not using anything better than a 10Gb line to connect into the WAN (wild guess but that's still what a lot of companies use internally, not talking apple's new data center here) that network would take 20Hrs to push out 90TB of data assuming no overhead at all and perfectly optimized transfers (nowhere near possible).

Just some rough calculations... I may be off since im so tired.
 
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I am sorry because I know this will sound disrespectful, but I do not intend it to be any more than a statement: Way too many people in this world think they know how to run a production-based retail business, but they don't have the foggiest clue. In this case, with all factors considered, Apple would absolutely STUPID to not send disks, both logistically and financially. I bet they have never for a second considered doing all the store upgrades relying solely on the network.
 
Seriously? Downloading Lion from the App Store and installing it on that machine is fine for the average user. The average user does not need to install an operating system on 20+ computers at once right before store opening.

These are different situations entirely. Different situations require different means. This is in no way “hypocrisy."

And what about those who do need to install it on 20, 50, or 100 machines? Where can I get the physical media that is apparently needed for such people?
 
And what about those who do need to install it on 20, 50, or 100 machines? Where can I get the physical media that is apparently needed for such people?

You'd install it on one machine, build your deployment image. Deploy that image with the software of your choosing, just like you do now if you're really needing to do it on more than 5-10 machines. Physical media hasn't been needed for this for a decade.

If you're managing more than 10 machines, you SHOULD already have a method in place for imaging and deployment. If you don't you're really wasting tons of time.

Also, if you're purchasing 100 licences of OS X through Apple's volume licensing channels, I'm sure they'd be happy to point you toward a Mac Mini Server running netboot. Either setup netinstall or netrestore images, watch magic happen.
 
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So according to today's rumor, Lion is coming "in July" ?
Wow that's great news !!!
Oh wait...
 
It'll be interesting to purchase it and load it through the App Store. Wonder if Apple will have add-in packs besides the server tools similar to the Windows Plus packs of old.
 
Today or
Tomorrow,

Lion will be soon.

Given Apple's history, they almost always release the last day of the timeframe they've given. So don't get your hopes up. In no way has anything been promised before the last day of the month. Think of it like this: Steve basically said it was the last day in July, any time sooner is early. (horray!)
 
Given Apple's history, they almost always release the last day of the timeframe they've given. So don't get your hopes up. In no way has anything been promised before the last day of the month. Think of it like this: Steve basically said it was the last day in July, any time sooner is early. (horray!)

While you make a valid point, I'm not saying my hopes are high.
I do in fact believe something earlier than the end of the month, and based on the GM build at the start of the month and the Apps that feature Lion support, along with Apple's recent explosion in modification to the Apple Online Website to include hard evidence of Lion, and one picture of a guy saying his computer was slated for an arrival of the 21st, I have to say, I'm optimistic in Apple and their store front (Internet based store front).

Oh there's also the fact that my local Apple Based Store (an authorized store, but not operated by Apple), sent an E-mail this past weekend for people to come in and get help Learning Lion and more. So I'm pretty sure it'll be sooner, than later.
 
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I am sorry because I know this will sound disrespectful, but I do not intend it to be any more than a statement: Way too many people in this world think they know how to run a production-based retail business, but they don't have the foggiest clue. In this case, with all factors considered, Apple would absolutely STUPID to not send disks, both logistically and financially. I bet they have never for a second considered doing all the store upgrades relying solely on the network.

Now, I don't mean to be disrespectful to you either, but a lot of people like you come into these forums saying the same thing about some business decision that Apple makes and how they claim that it's the dumbest move to do and that it will spell all this doom and gloom.

When in fact however, it always happens to turn out to be the opposite. Apple has led the PC industry every quarter for the last 5 years and has sky rocketed their market capitalization to the very top. So I think it's ironic that you say that this move would be "stupid" for Apple to do, given Apple's long standing track record for better of the past decade. I think they know what's best for their business.

But we'll see once Lion is released if sole digital distribution will hurt Apple in the end. If you ask me, I don't think it will. I really think they know what they're doing. They wouldn't be where they are now today if they didn't. And all these people claiming Apple will fail because of the business decisions they make always ignore their financial growth and standing.
 
Why are people complaining about Apples products not coming out on time etc.

They will release it when it is running good, even though it is exciting to have a new operating system, if your mac is running smoothly why go nuts and whinge :confused: about Lion not being out yet??

Apple will release it when they are good and ready and as always im sure it will be a fab product.
 
Now, I don't mean to be disrespectful to you either, but a lot of people like you come into these forums saying the same thing about some business decision that Apple makes and how they claim that it's the dumbest move to do and that it will spell all this doom and gloom.

I believe he was referring to the decision of Apple's to send disks to their retail stores for Lion deployment, not to sending discs of Lion to customers
 
I figured the whiners would be out in full force, and they are. No shock there.

You can make a Lion install disc/flash. There are already instructions on the interwebs. People who need/want/care/whatever about physical media can have it. For the vast majority of users where this won't be an issue. In fact, I suspect MORE people will upgrade now just because the prospect of installing a new OS is nothing more than an "app." That's it.

I really hope Lion is another Snow Leopard "fiasco" as some people here have put it. Snow Leopard (which I installed on the day of its release) was and still is easily the most stable OS I have ever used on a desktop.
 
I'm gonna add, purely from an environmental point-of-view that the digital distribution is vastly superior.
 
I believe he was referring to the decision of Apple's to send disks to their retail stores for Lion deployment, not to sending discs of Lion to customers

Ah, then apologies to jive turkey for the unecessary rant then. :p
 
Ha! My friend just messaged me that same thing! Although he really does hear a big cat purring since he's sitting in a jeep next to real lions in Africa :eek: (I'm secretly kind of jealous!)

I, personally, prefer to not be food.
 
well, i went with my mom yesterday to buy a new iMac and when I mentioned something about lion, i accidentally said it would be hitting in the next two days instead of the next two weeks, and the apple guy helping us gave me the oddest look and got really shifty and outright asked, "how did you find out about that" so i'm going to guess wednesday is very, very possible
 
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