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Apple Retail Stores Receive Golden Master Copies of OS X Lion
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You went to buy a new Mac knowing there'd be a $30 upgrade for it in the next fortnight that you'd get free if you waited?
you get the update free if you bought a computer between June 6th and the date lion ships
Yeah, we gonna see excited "kids" posting their video reviews on the youtube showing how fast their Lion boots, how nice is to have a full-screen mode and how cool is to have this gesture... pathetic! WHERE is REAL operating system not an eye candy??? 
Yeah, we gonna see excited "kids" posting their video reviews on the youtube showing how fast their Lion boots, how nice is to have a full-screen mode and how cool is to have this gesture... pathetic! WHERE is REAL operating system not an eye candy???
You can always just install Windows if you'd like, Linux is free also and there are many many versions to play with. Feel free to come back to the Mac when you're ready.
There are plenty of improvements as well as the backward steps in the OS, if you can get around the inevitable .0 bugs for a bit. Hint: the lions love SSDs
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Yeah, we gonna see excited "kids" posting their video reviews on the youtube showing how fast their Lion boots, how nice is to have a full-screen mode and how cool is to have this gesture... pathetic! WHERE is REAL operating system not an eye candy???
Silly you, an operating system that operates a computer IS a real operating system, because it operates a system!
You have a keyboard. USE IT!!!
Yup. It's sweet cuz'cause (or better yet, because) it worxks like the trackpad on a MBP. It quickly becoms 2nd second nature.
Hope so! Have they confirmed that or are you assuming cos that's what they've done before?
You have a keyboard. USE IT!!!
Yup. It's sweet cuz'cause (or better yet, because) it worxks like the trackpad on a MBP. It quickly becoms 2nd second nature.
What's wrong with 2nd? I'd probably type second myself, but I don't see owt wrong with 2nd.
Also, 'cause' is too long a word for the tiny sound "cos".
Incorrect. Only the PowerPC G5 was a 64-Bit CPU, G4s, G3s and earlier were 32-Bit processors. Snow Leopard won't run on PowerPC machines, but because of Rosetta (not an Apple invention, by the way, they only licensed that technology) it can run PowerPC applications.
Lion requires a 64-Bit Intel processor to run. It won't run on PowerPC processors or 32-Bit Intel processors like the Core Duo and Core Solo CPUs that were used in the first generation Intel Macs.
For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all.
Generally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeiniing voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivili.
Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.
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What is the .0 bug? and what issue does lion have with SSDs?
Sorry if there's an easier way to find the answer to these qs. But I'm on my phone and I don't feel like reading thru the whole thread, especially since the first few pages are all about the correct spelling of MacRumors...
timbloom said:Yeah, we gonna see excited "kids" posting their video reviews on the youtube showing how fast their Lion boots, how nice is to have a full-screen mode and how cool is to have this gesture... pathetic! WHERE is REAL operating system not an eye candy???
You can always just install Windows if you'd like, Linux is free also and there are many many versions to play with. Feel free to come back to the Mac when you're ready.
There are plenty of improvements as well as the backward steps in the OS, if you can get around the inevitable .0 bugs for a bit. Hint: the lions love SSDs
What is the .0 bug? and what issue does lion have with SSDs?
Sorry if there's an easier way to find the answer to these qs. But I'm on my phone and I don't feel like reading thru the whole thread, especially since the first few pages are all about the correct spelling of MacRumors...
Unbelievable. Look, what the stores have is what they need for refreshing 30 or 40 computers every night. That includes highlighted third-party apps, a movie to automatically trigger after no-one touches a key for maybe 30 seconds, and all the preferences and so on done. They're not going to take each machine and upgrade them from the Mac App Store: they're going to do a network install on all the machines, that writes the entire disk image to all of the computers they have. Probably with some variations. Don't want to put Final Cut Pro on Mac Book Airs, etc. Do everything at one time, in a way that you know will work because it's fine-tuned by Apple before it's shipped. They have to do that every night. Ever wonder why the computers in the Apple store all work, and they're in pretty spotless condition, and everything works? Because if an Apple employee notices that somebody's rewritten the hard drive's name as a random string of characters, or left a bunch of Untitled docs on the Desktop, they just reinstall the whole disk image and reboot. Anybody responsible for the maintenance of a whole network of Macs knows they're not going to put Lion on their machines one at a time from the Mac app store. Too time-consuming when you've got dozens of machines to custom install on one Mac at a time.
Pretty much goes without saying that it won't run on PPC Macs. And correct, only G5s were true 64 bit processors.
Now the excitement is reaching fever pitch ... how many hearts will be crushed if the release isn't until Thursday?
Thank you!
Does anyone else think that AidenShaw is envious because they can't be the "Hot guy in brown shorts" that delivered the hard drives to the
store?Honestly, just give it a rest.
chose to send their media via some sort of shipping service. (How do you know it was FedEx?, they do have stores in countries FedEx does not ship to) They are confident that their network can handle the thousands of Tb's worth of information or else they would offer a physical media as well. They may have chosen to use a shipped drive for security. If it was sent to the store online, someone somewhere, would find a way to get it without paying for it, and then distribute that. Or, they could want a physical media, because of licensing agreements with third party developers that don't want their software available on a network that could have a problem. Apple could also want a physical media because, while the network may be able to handle 4-5 Gb downloads for consumers, but it may not be able to handle several hundred Gb downloads, that all start at relatively the same time. And, with physical media, if something goes wrong, a re-imaging can be seconds away, whereas if the only way to get information to the device was by downloading it, and then installing it. That would dampen the affect wants to have when someone walks into an store for the first time to buy their first mac.Before you say I didn't, I did read all of the discussion about this, mostly headed by you, and you just have to live with it. And, if it truly bugs you that they have decided to use some shipping service instead of the MAS, then you can go buy your little Windows computer and enjoy non-digital OS upgrades.
Wow, I'm surprised how many people seemed to miss the actual point I was making.
I do think it's totally logical and sensible for Apple to send a hard drive per store with Lion and demos and stuff on to then use to image multiple machines - I was never saying it wasn't. I would also slightly disagree with AidenShaw in that I wouldn't go so far as saying Apple sending hard drives to its stores was "tantamount to admitting that the Icloud and the Apple Application Store is a failure", though I do find it hypocritical.
My point was that just as the argument for that goes that different situations call for different methods of best distributing data, so for users in some situations it would make more sense (to the user!) to offer retail DVDs to install Lion.
As some people have said, I think it's more about trying to force the MAS into being an artificially high 'success' prematurely than anything. It isn't as if they would lose money by pressing some install DVDs and adding $10 to the sale price for those who want them.
The basic point is this: I think it's silly that Apple is physically distributing Lion (etc) on physical media to their stores at the same time as telling us that the only way we, the users will be able to get Lion is by downloading it. I don't think it's silly they are sending their stores hard drives, just that it's silly they won't offer install DVDs for individuals.
I'm sure almost everyone reading this site is capable of finding the installer in the package contents etc. But I'm equally sure that there will be mac users who aren't so technologically inclined whose eyes would glaze over as soon as you said 'open package contents' yet have more than one mac and a poor internet connection. And Apple is basically saying to those people: tough, get an iTunes account and a better connection*, now give us out money. (*whether they can or not).
At the end of the day, I'm a bit annoyed that installing Lion on the machines I will eventually be installing it on will be more hassle than Snow Leopard was. That isn't an improvement. I have an iTunes account, I'll use the Mac App Store when I want to, and I don't like being railroaded into doing so for an OS install just because Apple don't care enough to provide discs. It's bad customer service.
If I want to be legit, I'm already going to have download the thing three times (to do that thing called 'paying for it'), which is almost quarter my monthly download allowance, and will take hours. The alternative is to do it the illegal way, and just install my own copy on all my family members' machines. Would I ever get sued or something? No, almost certainly not, but excuse me for trying to do the right thing. Is it really a good dilemma to be giving customers?
This is what I mean. No offence, but I think you missed the point I was making. They could send Lion to the Apple stores on hard drives, DVDs, or fried bananas. The point is that they're giving their stores a physical means of easily installing Lion across multiple macs whilst telling users in similar situations (needing to install Lion across multiple macs and user accounts) that they have to download it once for each user and then mess about making an install disc/drive.
Saying 'but they aren't' isn't really saying anything. Saying 'but they shouldn't because ... x/y/z ' would be making a point. The debate is to say why you disagree with my opinion (if you do), rather than to just say 'this is what is happening' as if I don't know that.
It's hard to accept criticism when you have no idea what the criticism is! Do they think I made a bad point? Or would they have just preferred I used a different font? Maybe I used their least favourite phrase, or they just felt grumpy. I don't know if they don't say, which essentially makes the rating useless to everybody.
I've said I don't like the up/down rating system from the start. I think it stifles debate rather than contributes to it. I think it's the first time I've edited a post to comment on the negative rating, and normally I wouldn't bother, but it seems like especially in the news threads if you say anything approaching criticism of Apple you just automatically get voted down, and it winds me up more than it should. But it isn't getting negative votes per se I dislike so much, more that clicking a down (or up) button doesn't really add anything to the discussion. Sure, it might thin out the 'I agree' and '+1' posts, but it also leaves one wondering exactly why people disagree if they do. I always thought the point of a forum was to discuss, not to just '+1' and '-1'.
As it turns out, plenty of people went on to make their view quite clear, so that's good, even if I personally think many of them missed the point.
I do think it's totally logical and sensible for Apple to send a hard drive per store with Lion and demos and stuff on to then use to image multiple machines - I was never saying it wasn't. I would also slightly disagree with AidenShaw in that I wouldn't go so far as saying Apple sending hard drives to its stores was "tantamount to admitting that the Icloud and the Apple Application Store is a failure", though I do find it hypocritical.
My point was that just as the argument for that goes that different situations call for different methods of best distributing data, so for users in some situations it would make more sense (to the user!) to offer retail DVDs to install Lion.
As some people have said, I think it's more about trying to force the MAS into being an artificially high 'success' prematurely than anything. It isn't as if they would lose money by pressing some install DVDs and adding $10 to the sale price for those who want them.
The basic point is this: I think it's silly that Apple is physically distributing Lion (etc) on physical media to their stores at the same time as telling us that the only way we, the users will be able to get Lion is by downloading it. I don't think it's silly they are sending their stores hard drives, just that it's silly they won't offer install DVDs for individuals.
I'm sure almost everyone reading this site is capable of finding the installer in the package contents etc. But I'm equally sure that there will be mac users who aren't so technologically inclined whose eyes would glaze over as soon as you said 'open package contents' yet have more than one mac and a poor internet connection. And Apple is basically saying to those people: tough, get an iTunes account and a better connection*, now give us out money. (*whether they can or not).
At the end of the day, I'm a bit annoyed that installing Lion on the machines I will eventually be installing it on will be more hassle than Snow Leopard was. That isn't an improvement. I have an iTunes account, I'll use the Mac App Store when I want to, and I don't like being railroaded into doing so for an OS install just because Apple don't care enough to provide discs. It's bad customer service.
If I want to be legit, I'm already going to have download the thing three times (to do that thing called 'paying for it'), which is almost quarter my monthly download allowance, and will take hours. The alternative is to do it the illegal way, and just install my own copy on all my family members' machines. Would I ever get sued or something? No, almost certainly not, but excuse me for trying to do the right thing. Is it really a good dilemma to be giving customers?
This is what I mean. No offence, but I think you missed the point I was making. They could send Lion to the Apple stores on hard drives, DVDs, or fried bananas. The point is that they're giving their stores a physical means of easily installing Lion across multiple macs whilst telling users in similar situations (needing to install Lion across multiple macs and user accounts) that they have to download it once for each user and then mess about making an install disc/drive.
Saying 'but they aren't' isn't really saying anything. Saying 'but they shouldn't because ... x/y/z ' would be making a point. The debate is to say why you disagree with my opinion (if you do), rather than to just say 'this is what is happening' as if I don't know that.
It's hard to accept criticism when you have no idea what the criticism is! Do they think I made a bad point? Or would they have just preferred I used a different font? Maybe I used their least favourite phrase, or they just felt grumpy. I don't know if they don't say, which essentially makes the rating useless to everybody.
I've said I don't like the up/down rating system from the start. I think it stifles debate rather than contributes to it. I think it's the first time I've edited a post to comment on the negative rating, and normally I wouldn't bother, but it seems like especially in the news threads if you say anything approaching criticism of Apple you just automatically get voted down, and it winds me up more than it should. But it isn't getting negative votes per se I dislike so much, more that clicking a down (or up) button doesn't really add anything to the discussion. Sure, it might thin out the 'I agree' and '+1' posts, but it also leaves one wondering exactly why people disagree if they do. I always thought the point of a forum was to discuss, not to just '+1' and '-1'.
As it turns out, plenty of people went on to make their view quite clear, so that's good, even if I personally think many of them missed the point.
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You only need to download this once. If you have multiple machines that are authorized on this account, just back up and copy the installer over to them before installing. If the machines are authorized for this on your account, and following licensing restrictions, there's no problem for this. Extract and burn the image if you need. If you're licensed, you're licensed... how you deploy it is your choice as long as there's nothing restricting that method. If they're on different App Store accounts... well that's a little murky at the moment as your download itself is likely tied to your account.
Either way, this isn't the problem you think it is. Come release day you'll know exactly how to do it.
No. Please read what I actually said. I know I only need to download once for one account.
I am talking about multiple accounts. My parents, for example, are not going to be able to download 4GB each on their flaky internet connection, so I'll be doing that for them at my place, which has a faster connection, using their accounts, right? And like that, the 4GB becomes 12GB. See why this is annoying? For Snow Leopard, I just bought 3 discs, it took seconds and probably about 100k. This will take hours and about 12GB. It's ridiculous.
Like you say ... "If the machines are authorized for this on your account, and following licensing restrictions, there's no problem for this." But their machines are not authorized for my account, and so following licensing restrictions there is a problem with using one download across multiple machines for multiple owners - unless I rip off Apple, which I don't want to do.
