I myself live in Sweden but have lived in other countries too.
Please provide a source to that that most potential buyers have a cap on their home internet connection. It seems incredible.
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I myself live in Sweden but have lived in other countries too.
Please provide a source to that that most potential buyers have a cap on their home internet connection. It seems incredible.
I have unlimited and a fibre optic connection to my house for $60 AUD a month, but I know what you mean...
Not just Apple, many these days seem to assume you can just download huge files whenever you want/need to without a penalty.
Personally I believe we need to stop making HD's bigger and start making our files smaller.
What download speed do you get in the Netherlands? I think UK internet is alright. I mean 50Mb/s down is not bad (and has no traffic management) and is available in most areas even if it is a bit pricey. 20Mb/s is enough and has reasonable traffic management and the throttled speeds aren't too bad. 100Mb/s is also available in some areas. I have 10Mb/s which is enough most of the time just as long as I avoid the throttling down to 2Mb/s.
I have changed my DNS servers from the Virgin ones and I still seem to be throttled sometimes (less often than before I changed them) but not when I should be according to their traffic policy. For example, I can download about 1.5GB in the evening without being throttled when I should be throttled after 750MB.
As the Lion prepares to whip his tail, a lot of my third party software is still not ready. I'm stuck!
In the UK, you can pretty much count the number of uncapped packages on the fingers of one hand (possibly even the thumb).
I pay £25 a month for 50GB on ADSL. The distance from my exchange means I get 4Mbps on a good day and since Virgin Media don't cover my street, I have no option to get anything better.
i havent heard of datacaps either, the last time we had them was during modem times and at the beginning of slow DSL. i would reach the limit within a week omg
btw the way some people throw around the "dislike" button on here makes me realize how good it is that facebook doesnt have one .... like seriously
Seriously, who cares about people with slow or capped internet. So they have to spend 3 or 4 days downloading the thing. Boo hoo.
As many others from the UK seems to point out there seem to be quite a few choices. I also find that most providers are open for discussion if you call in. They usually have packages you need to ask for. Something I learned when I wanted to upgrade from 10 Mbit upload to 100 Mbit upload, officially they had no such offer, but if you asked for it they gave you it for a raised monthly cost.
Sounds a bit like mine
I can however get Virgin Media, but I don't want them to dig up my drive to install cable. Maybe the fibre to cabinet service may arrive sometime this century to the Stechford Exchange.
If you live within spitting distance of an ADSL enabled exchange, you might get 20Mbps, if you are lucky. If you are really lucky, your exchange might be fibre enabled, letting you get 40Mbps (very unusual though). Some areas are covered by Virgin Media's cable service, but as Virgin Media are essentially broke, they are not expanding their coverage.
I live in the UK, what I have is as good as it gets without relocating, short of paying a bit more to increase my download limit. There is nothing I can do about the speed of my service though.
I understand where you're coming from, but there's a few differences:
1. Apple stores don't need fancy shiny retail boxes designing, manufacturing or printing.
2. Apple already have daily courier runs to all of their stores, adding a couple of HDs to the delivery manifest doesn't cost them anything extra.
3. Apple stores will be reinstalling Lion to all their machines EVERY DAY from a server. Therefore the image needs to reside on a HD so rather than send it over the Internet to be copied onto a HD, why not just provide the HD considering (2)?
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So you can pay for higher download limit? Just for interest, which provider do you have?
Data Caps will have to start being removed. We are going to a Digital Delivery age. With content like NetFlix, Hulu, etc... It's just too much data to have a cap and be able to use services like these. If providers can't keep up with the bandwidth requirements they need to stop offering services. I couldn't imagine living on a Data Cap.
I'd guess that billions of potential buyers living in India, China and Africa have computers without slow/capped internet connections (if at all.)
Look at Apple's international sales, they are something like 80% USA, 20% the rest of the world. Microsoft's are much the opposite.
So when you speak of POTENTIAL buyers... I think you need to look beyond this round. Most Apple users are Northern Americans living in big cities. This is because there's a huuuuuge potential market that Apple hasn't even started tapping into yet...
Flawed logic. It's not like Apple sent the CD/DVDs to the store for immediate sale once they were printed. Even when Apple sold the OS on media it had a specific launch date, often time and until that date & time the boxes sat in warehouses, then stock rooms. Apple has specific marketing plans which has precedence over availability of product.
In Lion's case Apple wants to announce earnings, get that media buzz going, then drop Lion and MBA to keep the party going.
I agree. I still think Apple will announce the launch date at least a couple of days before it goes on sale. Just sticking it into the MAS without any fanfare doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
When you talk about potential buyers for a specific product you do not usually talk about those who might buy the product. I doubt that most people in India, China and Africa are contemplating buying Lion or not. For these people the internet factor will not be limiting.
Wow, they have a good hype about this release. I wonder how bloated the software is because of all the new features? I remember when Leopard came out, it was totally the biggest leap forward, but man it was a resource hog. Then SL - my fav OS!
I Live in Canada, and every provider has a cap. Some starting as low as 25GB. And Price to speed ratio is horrible.
I think you need to check your figures.
From the Q2 2011 financial report...
https://www.macrumors.com/2011/04/2...er-ever-with-5-99-billion-profit-for-q2-2011/
Sorry for the noob question but:
Will installing Lion wipe my machine? Is it a complete reformat or will all my applications and settings/files remain?
Will installing Lion wipe my machine? Is it a complete reformat or will all my applications and settings/files remain?
UK Data Caps & Speed..
Most ISP's in the UK give consumers the option of either a Light Use, Limited Use and Unlimited Use. Most of those who are on a limited data plan have chosen this due to it in many instances being either free for a cheaper option than the unlimited data.
ISP's such as sky, talktalk along with many others offer an unlimted package but they all have some form of fair use policy. Sky/Talktalk have many UK exchanges with their LLU and if you are a sky customer you get this for around £7.50 unlimited and no throttle.
If your ISP caps you, charges you high amounts for data then maybe you should move to another ISP. You may not get any better speed but you would have as much data as you like!
Is it not just the case that some people dont like change? It is worrying that people have slow speeds but thats down to their ISP/Country/Location not down to Apple
Most ISP's in the UK give consumers the option of either a Light Use, Limited Use and Unlimited Use. Most of those who are on a limited data plan have chosen this due to it in many instances being either free for a cheaper option than the unlimited data.
ISP's such as sky, talktalk along with many others offer an unlimted package but they all have some form of fair use policy. Sky/Talktalk have many UK exchanges with their LLU and if you are a sky customer you get this for around £7.50 unlimited and no throttle.
If your ISP caps you, charges you high amounts for data then maybe you should move to another ISP. You may not get any better speed but you would have as much data as you like!
Is it not just the case that some people dont like change? It is worrying that people have slow speeds but thats down to their ISP/Country/Location not down to Apple