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And those that need to install on 20+ computers will do the same as the have. Download once. Make an image and put it on the computers. Not download 20 copies of an OS.

You think the only people interested in this are single users for their homes???? Plenty of people are going to want to install it on 20+ computers overnight.

I don't really see why there is anyone upset about Apple going to digital distribution. If you need a copy of lion on cd i would assume you are "tech swavy" enough to do a google search on how to burn a dvd copy. People are saying they don't have an option to burn a disc image when installing and they are dumbing down everything. All it proofs is how many so called Tech "Swavy" people are actually dumb.
 
Isn't this tantamount to admitting that the Icloud and the Apple Application Store is a failure?

Why would Apple insist that customers download 10.7 from the network, but send physical copies to their own stores?

The mind boggles at the duplicity.

What's so mind boggling? The stores are given local installs so that they can image and get set up all of the computers on-hand before Lion is released.
 
I have been using Lion for many weeks now. There are some really great new features. But I do feel the GUI is watered down. Apps like finder and Mail have been decolorized like iTunes. It is much harder to tell what parts of dialiog boxes and controls are active. The open/close/maximize/minimize buttons have been shrunk and deemphasized. A big deal? No, but I think they are a step back in usability and too me the appearance is very unexciting.

I don't really see how decolorizing the GUI is "watering" it down. The whole argument that OSX is being watered down to be more in line with iOS isn't really about the color scheme, is it?

I'm not using Lion yet, but from what I've seen/read I don't see what all the fear of X being merged with iOS is based on, at least as far as Lion goes. I can still interact with my files directly, can't I?
 
Am I the only one that is excited about OpenGL 3.2 support since that means The Foundry can finally release Mari for Mac?

Ah yes... I'll have to ask my friend who is Mari's Project Manager at The Foundry. See if this means a green light for an OSX version. He said they had a build of sorts lying around for ages but were held back by the ancient OGL drivers. Here's to hoping. :D
 
I imagine that it's actually a disk image of Lion tailored for the retail experience

You are probably right. They already use those images to reset the demo machines each day after people change everything playing around with them. This would just be the new Lion version of those reset images.
 
A GM is the retail build. I have installed many GM in the past, and updates will happen as if it were a retail purchase...

Yep updates work assuming they haven't made a single change to the dev centre build and the one they are going to release this week. John Siracusa has been warning people that in the past GM's have slightly tweaked/changed and that prevented the updates from working. So I'd still wait until 100% sure we do have the same code that they are shipping to customers. :)
 
Your tag says you have a 2010 Macbook Pro .......:rolleyes:

fixed, I usually just lurk, so it got out of date.:)

I'm hoping to get a 2009 13" mbp or a refurb air, depending on the prices, or go off the deep end and get a 2011 to be up-to-date. Just need a computer that doesn't double as a space-heater and can sync with my phone. Oh, and the occasional Word document.
 
I don't really see how decolorizing the GUI is "watering" it down. The whole argument that OSX is being watered down to be more in line with iOS isn't really about the color scheme, is it?

I'm not using Lion yet, but from what I've seen/read I don't see what all the fear of X being merged with iOS is based on, at least as far as Lion goes. I can still interact with my files directly, can't I?

I kind of think it makes the OS look more "mature" as opposed to the aqua blue from past releases. If anything I hope OSX takes more cues from iOS and enables greater gesture usage, as iOS seems to be "fresher" in terms of interactivity. If anything the future looks brighter, due to the more somber color scheme.
 
I don’t have this issue with the GM build. Judging by the Launchpad icon I think that’s DP 2.

Correct as that's the only online article I could find that contained video of the issue. I tested the Lion GM on a 2009 MB Pro 17" and 2009 MacMini. The MacMini did not show this issue. However, the MacBook Pro did, even on a clean install of the Lion GM. I eventually gave up and reverted to Snow Leopard.
 
That issue was from the first developer build (look at the date). Are you implying that it was never fixed?

That's exactly what I'm implying. It seems that certain hardware has this issue. For me, the problem did not appear on a 2009 MacMini. However, on a 2009 MB Pro 17" it did, even with a clean install of the Lion GM. I had to revert back to Snow Leopard.
 
Isn't this tantamount to admitting that the Icloud and the Apple Application Store is a failure?

Why would Apple insist that customers download 10.7 from the network, but send physical copies to their own stores?

The mind boggles at the duplicity.

Chances are there are disk images for each model on the hard drives. These include a lot of software and wouldn't be practical to download.
 
The HD they receive has over 20GB of data on it, and multiple builds/installs (demo install, registers, family room/employee, etc), combined with Pro Apps and media.

Chances are there are disk images for each model on the hard drives. These include a lot of software and wouldn't be practical to download.


Look up "single instance store" on the web - there's no reason for any data to be duplicated.

Ten years ago Microsoft was shipping CD-ROM .ISO files for 3 GB CD-ROMs (yes, 3 GB CD-ROM). Surely the innovators at Apple could copy something that Microsoft was doing a decade ago.


Doesn't make sense for every machine/terminal to download it.

Of course not - each store would download a copy to their servers.

But, if it makes sense for millions of customers to download 10.7 over the net, then it makes sense for a couple of hundred Apple stores to download the floor demo images over the net as well.


Three words: se cur ity

Would you send your credit card info to a company that can't figure out how to do secure downloads to its own stores?


Maybe the version on the hard drive has additions?

Perhaps it's a retail store build with demonstration software, sample content (movies, TV shows, music, dummy address books, dummy calendars, dummy e-mail inbox, dummy photo albums), in-store applications like the Genius Bar reservation tool, maybe the presentation when the Macs go into Kiosk mode after certain amount of idle time.

No doubt the images are custom - but the point is that if the network is robust enough for millions of customers to download 10.7, why is it too weak for a couple of hundred Apple stores to download images?


Like any other enterprise , Apple is distributing Lion through whatever imaging tool it is they use. Try to keep up..

The net can be used to download the images used by the imaging tool. Any bits that you can ship via FedEx can be shipped over the internet.

The final dig at the end was unnecessary, and borders on violating the "personal insult" forum rules. I do keep up, but apparently Apple isn't.


Enjoy windows? Is there something specific in Lion you are complaining about or are you just a curmudgeon?

More personal attacks - be careful.


Am I the only one that is excited about OpenGL 3.2 support since that means The Foundry can finally release Mari for Mac?

Not really, since OpenGL 4.1 has been out for Windows for a year.


What's so mind boggling? The stores are given local installs so that they can image and get set up all of the computers on-hand before Lion is released.

And why was it not possible to send those "local install" images over the net, vs FedEx?

Apple must be expecting a complete server meltdown when 10.7 is released - but even so, the stores would be copying the images before announcement, so the utter failure of the Icloud wouldn't affect the stores.
 
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I've been using Mac OS X since the public beta, but Lion will be the first version that I will not immediately upgrade to on release day. I just hate the distribution mechanism that much. If Apple keeps it up my aging Mac Pro 2006 model will be replaced by a Linux machine.
 
I don't really see how decolorizing the GUI is "watering" it down. The whole argument that OSX is being watered down to be more in line with iOS isn't really about the color scheme, is it?

I'm not using Lion yet, but from what I've seen/read I don't see what all the fear of X being merged with iOS is based on, at least as far as Lion goes. I can still interact with my files directly, can't I?

You can no longer quickly recognize folders or areas in the sidebar by color. For example I have a downloads directory now that is green, in lion it and every other icon in the sidebar is gray. My drives are colored differently in SL, I lion they all look the same. So it is watered down ie. plain.... Also some features are missing like displaying the disk usage at the bottom of the window when you select drives
 
I have been using Lion for many weeks now. There are some really great new features. But I do feel the GUI is watered down. Apps like finder and Mail have been decolorized like iTunes. It is much harder to tell what parts of dialiog boxes and controls are active. The open/close/maximize/minimize buttons have been shrunk and deemphasized. A big deal? No, but I think they are a step back in usability and too me the appearance is very unexciting.

I thought I was going crazy :eek:. Window title bars are dim, and buttons like the "Show All" in system prefs is always dim... I have re-installed 3x (clean) and it's not an install anomaly - it's it. :(

Anyone else notice these "bugs"??
 
You know what would be really fun... downloading it over 256K DSL... that's what my parents had until last year when I convinced them to upgrade to 1.5 Megabit.

I'm on a 1.5Mbs connection now, and boy it's going to suck downloading it. :(
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_4 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/8K2)

I'm expecting a longish Download Wednesday... during which time I plan to pretend I'm standing in line.

Boom
 
I kind of think it makes the OS look more "mature" as opposed to the aqua blue from past releases. If anything I hope OSX takes more cues from iOS and enables greater gesture usage, as iOS seems to be "fresher" in terms of interactivity. If anything the future looks brighter, due to the more somber color scheme.

Yeah, I think it's just personal preferences. I for one was ok with the monochromatic iTunes sidebar. But for that matter, I usually use the graphite color scheme anyway. Hadn't even thought to ask, is that still an option in Lion?

You can no longer quickly recognize folders or areas in the sidebar by color. For example I have a downloads directory now that is green, in lion it and every other icon in the sidebar is gray. My drives are colored differently in SL, I lion they all look the same. So it is watered down ie. plain.... Also some features are missing like displaying the disk usage at the bottom of the window when you select drives

I see. I misunderstood your use of "watered down" I thought you meant more along the lines of "dumbed down." Again, I'll probably like the new look, but I can see others preferring the old way.

It would be nice if the Aqua appearance scheme showed the more color-varied theme you prefer with the Leopard-style color sidebar, and then the Graphite scheme could have the more monochromatic approach others may prefer. Not really Apple's style, though.
 
I'm sure every retail store and reseller would prepare Lion's installer files for customers. Not all of us has the privilege of high-speed internet or time for download. Buy the license and copy the files directly is far far more practical.

Happy for all of us, less burden on MAS server, less waiting for us to upgrade, and more Lion would get to customer soon. Apple don't care how you download it, just pay the frikin $30 and you're free to go :D
 
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