Oh I guess that redeems Dell. Considering the fact that they sell most their laptops in the retail zone.
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Apples MacBook Pro: Rotting Core? What Apple Doesn't Want You To Realize.
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Oh I guess that redeems Dell. Considering the fact that they sell most their laptops in the retail zone.
Coming from someone who's a PC user/sys admin that never had an interest in Apple products for the last 15 years.. I made my switch last year to Apple due to their design and OS, and couldn't be happier.
I would have agreed a couple years ago about most of the things people are saying. But now? No. Now there is a reason they cost more. The build technology and the quality. Do you really think you're going to get an aluminum MBP with a ridiculously good glass trackpad (I never liked trackpads, now I prefer one over a mouse on the MBP), and battery life with a beautiful screen. Not to mention super sleek and lighter than the competition. All for the same cost as a Dell with a _slightly_ faster CPU and video card?
Do you think something of such high caliber is going to be priced the same as a crappy Dell or HP? Seriously? Spec whores.. good term. Apple products provide plenty of computing power for the general consumers needs. You want a high power CPU that's going to drain your battery in an hour? I'm talking the people who want a laptop with the desktop i7 in it.
Sure, the MBP is NOW at the end of it's life cycle and Apple is obviously not known to drop prices even with that fact, so now's not the best time to buy -- the same thing can be said about buying a new car or any product at the end of it's life cycle, it's a stupid argument. That doesn't take away that it's still a great machine and NOT underpowered.
Just baffles me what people are thinking. You want an MBP for the same price as a piece of crap Dell that's got 0 build quality. Thanks but no thanks. Apple is a premium product and their success shows they know what they're doing with both product and the market/demand.
I would have agreed a couple years ago about most of the things people are saying. But now? No. Now there is a reason they cost more. The build technology and the quality. Do you really think you're going to get an aluminum MBP with a ridiculously good glass trackpad (I never liked trackpads, now I prefer one over a mouse on the MBP), and battery life with a beautiful screen. Not to mention super sleek and lighter than the competition. All for the same cost as a Dell with a _slightly_ faster CPU and video card?
Do you think something of such high caliber is going to be priced the same as a crappy Dell or HP? Seriously? Spec whores.. good term. Apple products provide plenty of computing power for the general consumers needs. You want a high power CPU that's going to drain your battery in an hour? I'm talking the people who want a laptop with the desktop i7 in it.
Sure, the MBP is NOW at the end of it's life cycle and Apple is obviously not known to drop prices even with that fact, so now's not the best time to buy -- the same thing can be said about buying a new car or any product at the end of it's life cycle, it's a stupid argument. That doesn't take away that it's still a great machine and NOT underpowered.
Just baffles me what people are thinking. You want an MBP for the same price as a piece of crap Dell that's got 0 build quality. Thanks but no thanks. Apple is a premium product and their success shows they know what they're doing with both product and the market/demand.
Microsoft Security Essentials, AVG, Avira, Avast. They've all been around for awhile. A lot of Mac people pay for apple care right? Pay for the same thing on a PC and you are fine. On my current Asus I got 2 years of accidental damage warranty and support free.
If your company has good enough info to warrant a hacking attempt
1) regardless of system you need antivirus/firewalls.. Without would be foolish
2) even if it was a little hard to crack a mac do you honestly thing that would stop a hacker?
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Spyware is usually installed after a confirmation (or tricked into confirmation click) by the user themselves... not because of some vulnerability. Even most spyware companies don't bother to code something for mac.. Not because it's harder... it's just currently not worth the effort even if it's the same.
What are you talking about with Unix/Linux? In the consumer area there are even less users of Unix/Linux than OSX.... I'll list some quick reasons why you don't hear about the successful attacks on them.
1) The average Linux / Unix user knows what they are doing. Virus/spyware/whatever is actually pretty easy to avoid no matter what if you know what you are doing
2) A lot of these boxes are also behind university and corporate networks that have a LOT more protection than the average user.
3) BTW there are a lot of successful attacks on unix/linux..... but Windows has over a 80% market share. It's just bigger news when it's on windows.
And yes if the market was 50/50 there would be equal if not more successful attacks. Even IF it was harder to create a virus for mac do you think hackers that know enough to create a virus capable of spreading around the world would stop because of that? They do it for recognition and power. Whatever makes the biggest splash is their target.
ugh dragged into the argument again.. I mentioned it was offtopic because this topic was about the old cores.
I'm still hoping tomorrow is the day I buy my first mac
got a video project starting end of this week that i would love to use final cut with.This article is sort of a half-baked technological hit job. There's nothing rugged about this journalism and it reeks of PC evangelism. 
Apple hasn't updated the MBP yet presumably b/c they want to make sure of two things.... a) it works (QA, it's a GOOD thing!) and b) it's competitive both on price and features.
In regard to the Nvidia chipset, I think at this point (post-8400M) it is safe to assume that Apple is approaching new silicon with a more rigorous form of QA. The 8400M debacle (that affected all laptops, not just Apple) was a real poke in the eye that I'm sure they do not want to repeat again.
My guess is the new MBP will be a slight redesign of the current model (which is still no slouch) in aesthetics. I'll be surprised if it is the same case and frame as the current one.
Apple hasn't updated the MBP yet presumably b/c they want to make sure of two things.... a) it works (QA, it's a GOOD thing!) and b) it's competitive both on price and features.
In regard to the Nvidia chipset, I think at this point (post-8400M) it is safe to assume that Apple is approaching new silicon with a more rigorous form of QA. The 8400M debacle (that affected all laptops, not just Apple) was a real poke in the eye that I'm sure they do not want to repeat again.
My guess is the new MBP will be a slight redesign of the current model (which is still no slouch) in aesthetics. I'll be surprised if it is the same case and frame as the current one.
Just a click... w/o password? You are thinking of some VisualBasic-type of weakness, where everything automatically gets system privileges. Unless there's a specific hole, it takes fooling a Mac user into typing a password (to get rooted).
Because Mac OS X is built upon a FreeBSD (Unix) layer... you didn't know this?
You are living in the stone ages. Hackers today want credit card numbers, bank account PIN numbers, etc., not so much denial of service pranks anymore.
You don't really know much about operating systems and how they differ, do you? You think if two machines both use a "Core i7 processor" that they are both equally vulnerable?
Sorry but, this isn't about the hardware.If you want the latest and greatest in a laptop you are going to pay a lot more then 1K for it.
I'm asking honestly right now.. have you even really read my replies or do you just see one phrase and word and reply off that?
What in the world does Mac OS X being built upon Free BSD have to do with the statement you made here
"If there was an exact 50/50 marketshare between Macs and PeeCees, do you honestly believe that the resulting share of vulnerable exploits would also be 50/50? If so, i'd expect we should have heard about tons of successful attacks against Unix/Linux by now. Alas, that honor belongs to Microsoft... and it will continue to lead in that arena, despite decreasing popularity.
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I'm extremely confused by your reply? And again there are tons of vulnerabilities that have been in Linux and Unix
If you read what I said and understood the point.. Most people GIVE permission for the spyware to be installed. That's where pretty much 99% of spyware comes from. The confirm it... So even if there was a password to install every program that is supposed to be installed ... It wouldn't make a lick of difference. Not sure what the visual basic reference is at all. You look at any person infested with spyware on a windows machine and i would say pretty much all of it is from a user downloading free games, porn, or utilities they saw in a pop up out of their own free will.
Again What are you talking about? Who mentioned denial of service attacks? that can happen with any OS? Those are vulnerabilities in the server software more than the OS But if you want to talk about that most web severs are unix / linux based so would you say they are more vulnerable than windows? You totally lost me here. Also what does hackers wanting credit card / bank account whatever have to do with OS too? If they want it. They'll go in any system they can find the most in.
If a person was a hacker... and wanted to spend their time writing code to steal credit card numbers... wouldn't they go for the OS with the overwhelming majority to get the most CC's? Even if it was the most secure OS in the world by far without question they would still be doing the same thing. That example really doesn't prove your point at all.
What in the world does Mac OS X being built upon Free BSD have to do with the statement you made here
"If there was an exact 50/50 marketshare between Macs and PeeCees, do you honestly believe that the resulting share of vulnerable exploits would also be 50/50? If so, i'd expect we should have heard about tons of successful attacks against Unix/Linux by now. Alas, that honor belongs to Microsoft... and it will continue to lead in that arena, despite decreasing popularity.
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I'm extremely confused by your reply? And again there are tons of vulnerabilities that have been in Linux and Unix
If you read what I said and understood the point.. Most people GIVE permission for the spyware to be installed. That's where pretty much 99% of spyware comes from. The confirm it... So even if there was a password to install every program that is supposed to be installed ... It wouldn't make a lick of difference. Not sure what the visual basic reference is at all. You look at any person infested with spyware on a windows machine and i would say pretty much all of it is from a user downloading free games, porn, or utilities they saw in a pop up out of their own free will.
You are living in the stone ages. Hackers today want credit card numbers, bank account PIN numbers, etc., not so much denial of service pranks anymore.
You don't really know much about operating systems and how they differ, do you? You think if two machines both use a "Core i7 processor" that they are both equally vulnerable?
Again What are you talking about? Who mentioned denial of service attacks? that can happen with any OS? Those are vulnerabilities in the server software more than the OS But if you want to talk about that most web severs are unix / linux based so would you say they are more vulnerable than windows? You totally lost me here. Also what does hackers wanting credit card / bank account whatever have to do with OS too? If they want it. They'll go in any system they can find the most in.
If a person was a hacker... and wanted to spend their time writing code to steal credit card numbers... wouldn't they go for the OS with the overwhelming majority to get the most CC's? Even if it was the most secure OS in the world by far without question they would still be doing the same thing. That example really doesn't prove your point at all.
I would of been able to take this thread at least somewhat seriously, but then I realized the awful pun in the title.
The panic strips the existing parody before the fireworks.
The panic strips the existing parody before the fireworks.
What a moronic thread, it's all about hits in these forums, any other moderating team would have locked this garbage, but no, not macrumors, as long as the kids keep hitting these pages, any 27 page monstrosity of crap is here to stay....
frack. I ment to say I got my fream laptop here in this picture meaning in this picture is my dream laptop. I can't get it. I have to save up if I want it. Its my dream machene in terms of hardware, but it needs to run osx.
Are you suggesting that I am stupid enough to spend an absolute fortune for a three years old processor and a noisy laptop AND I don't know that it's outdated?!
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE BLU RAY!!!!!
How in the hell is it even supposed to boot up if it doesn't have blu ray!
Enjoy your completely useless blu ray less paper weight.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE BLU RAY!!!!!
How in the hell is it even supposed to boot up if it doesn't have blu ray!
Enjoy your completely useless blu ray less paper weight.
What? Computers won't boot up without a BD drive in them
Try and find a MBP 15" with 1080p resolution and i7 processor. Also that isn't a bad price for those specs. BD drives are getting cheaper anyways. I can install one in my Mini for $80.
ok i have been an apple customer for a few years and i know whats in my computer.. the fact is that i would rather pay the price tag for something that gives me less headaches..
fyi i do use both SL and Win7 daily.. SL has never given me any huge problems.. windows 7 has been ok so far but its very temperamental and for some reason while im at school it always seems to drop my internet connection (wired or wireless)
Thanks but, I don't feel as if i deserve full credit for that.
My bad... the proper term should have been “VBScript”. [i'm no windows guru... but you should know about these things and simply corrected my jargon.]
And my point is: the ones to really worry about don't require passwords from users. I don't see "password" mentioned in Symantec's blog (or any accounting) of last January's episode... do you?
Part of their recommendations include:
- Configure your email server to block or remove email that contains file attachments that are commonly used to spread threats, such as .vbs, .bat, .exe, .pif and .scr files.
Thats one pathetic dream. A plastic Dell (not even a precision mobile) that will surely overheat with that quad core and have at most an hour and half of battery life; then its got a low end ATI card, which I suppose you will expect to be able to play Crysis on Ultra-High settings because of the quad core.
1.6 GHz Quad Core i7
ATI 5470
I really do not see what is so great?
Other specs:
4GB DDR3
320GB 7200RPM HDD
1080p LED Glossy Display
If you want a somewhat reliable and decently built Dell, look at the Latitudes for Dual Cores and the Precisions for Quad Cores.
A friend of mine bought a Studio 15 before the core processors were released.
It was a POS. Returned. Completely made with plastic. She had a blue lid one which felt like some sort of rubber/plastic. Super thick, and did not compare to the MBP at all in terms of quality. Had 3GB of RAM I remember, and it felt like it was years old because of the bloatware that was on it.
I'd love to take the Dell that was posted previously and leave it rendering for 24 hours to see how it coped.
I have a feeling that current quad core chip designs will still run too hot in a laptop to really take advantage of the processor power in any meaningful way.
I have a feeling that current quad core chip designs will still run too hot in a laptop to really take advantage of the processor power in any meaningful way.
You probably run it on Mac. That's why
and why does that make a difference?? after all windows is apparently superior therefore it should work no problems what so ever...
i never had wired or wireless connections drop when i was running xp..