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Apple Said to Be Stopping Use of TLC NAND Flash in iPhone 6 and 6 Plus After Reported Issues

Please forgive my ignorance but....
The article says TLC stores more data. Will a 128GB MLC phone somehow have less usable storage than a 128GB TLC phone? I'm talking from a practical user perspective re: how many apps/movies etc I can store.
Also Is MLC faster enough to notice in normal usage?
I haven't had boot loops on mine, but it does seem a little slow and laggy at times. I would definitely be interested in a replacement if it were "snappier"
 
My issues have been somewhat related. I can only use my phone for 10 seconds before it freezes and is unusable for about 5 minutes. Its very frustrating but I am getting it replaced today.

The issues only started to occur after update 8.1 which made me think software. The diagnostics results that I got over the phone from Apple indicated application memory issues.

So the Apple rep thought it was a hardware failure.

We shall see.
 
What are the advantages TLC has over what's being used in the lesser GB phones. I know price is one of them - but significant enough to outweigh just keeping all phones with the same memory type?
 
ugh - i thought i was the only one getting random crashes


i suppose i should wait a bit

this phone has been terrible

wifi dropping

random resets

finger print sensor not consistently working

:apple:
 
Mine isn't having any issues. How wide spread is this. I have a 64gb iPhone 6. I also read it was only the 128gb. Also how do we kno for a fact that Apple will be changing them. I highly doubt they would actually do that.
 
To be honest, I'm struggling to get excited about this one way or another - I have a 128GB 6 and if it is an inherent fault and my phone does go wrong I'll just swap it out with Apple. If it isn't and my phone doesn't then it's all good.
 
Huh, I guess it is a legitimate issue after all.

Just for reference, check out the comments in this article defending Apple and claiming this issue doesn't exist.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1814340/

I'm telling you... if people keep blindly defending Apple and failing to hold them responsible for quality control, it's just like giving them a free pass...
 
Radio said:
ugh - i thought i was the only one getting random crashes


i suppose i should wait a bit

this phone has been terrible

wifi dropping

random resets

finger print sensor not consistently working

:apple:
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Might be just your phone. Most people aren't heving all your issues. Just replace it.
 
BusinessKorea's first story was proven false (app/software issue), and now they follow it up with another story about how Apple is replacing that same TLC that has nothing wrong with it in the first place?
 
Rafterman said:
BusinessKorea's first story was proven false (app/software issue), and now they follow it up with another story about how Apple is replacing that same TLC that has nothing wrong with it in the first place?
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Keep defending Apple and let's see how many other product launches they have issues with going forward...
 
spectrumfox said:
Keep defending Apple and let's see how many other product launches they have issues with going forward...
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I'm not defending Apple, people who actually are involved in dealing with this are and know best what the issues are the ones defending Apple. BusinessKorea's track record is terrible.
 
darkslide29 said:
How bad or how frequent would you say they have a reboot issue? Hard for us who have rare reboots to know if it's cause for concern.
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One co-worker was litterly wanting to throw the phone out the window and go get an android phone. I talked her off the ledge and convinced her to go to the apple store and talk to them. I have not heard the results. But essentially she was crashing and rebooting "constantly."
 
MacRumors said:
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Apple will switch from using TLC (triple-level cell) NAND flash to MLC (multi-level cell) NAND flash in the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus after users have experienced crashing and boot loop issues with the higher capacity versions of both devices, reports BusinessKorea.

Sources have told the paper that flash memory firm Anobit, which Apple acquired in 2011, is to blame for the manufacturing defects. Apple will reportedly switch to MLC NAND flash for the 64GB iPhone 6 and the 128GB iPhone 6 Plus, and will also address crashing and boot loop issues with the release of iOS 8.1.1. Apple has used MLC NAND flash before, in previous-generation iPhones. Apple released its first iOS 8.1.1 beta to developers earlier this week, although the company did not specify whether the included bug fixes addressed boot loop and crashing issues on the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. Users who are experiencing an unusual amount of boot loops and crashes with their iPhone 6 or iPhone 6 Plus are recommended to bring their devices back to an Apple Retail Store for a replacement.

Article Link: Apple Said to Be Stopping Use of TLC NAND Flash in iPhone 6 and 6 Plus After Reported Issues
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How can a software update fix a hardware issue? Unless it slows down the reads and writes to the NAND to alleviate the hardware issue.
 
RoelJuun said:
You should test your stuff first before using it in your products and sell said products for obscene prices.
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Great suggestion, you know Apple never thought of it until you mention it.
Do you know you don't have to buy Apple products if you don't want to, none. Really.
 
jonnysods said:
Yikes, I have a 128 iPhone 6, hope nothing happens!

I will say that sometimes my phone freezes in system apps like messages and I have to put the phone to sleep and wake it up again...
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I think this would be covered under the 1 year warranty. So maybe after a few months/updates you are still experiencing this issue I would bring it in to Apple.
 
Will do good said:
Great suggestion, you know Apple never thought of it until you mention it.
Do you know you don't have to buy Apple products if you don't want to, none. Really.
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Jeez guys, why so harsh? It was just hyperbole to make a point. I'm sure he's well aware that Apple tests their stuff.

Its just frustrating with Apple in recent years. Their hardware is as good as anyone's, but their buggy software is really causing issues in a number of areas (OSX 10.10, iOS 8, iTunes for the last five years, etc). Apple needs to stop worrying about how thin they can make something and spend a good year of full resources fixing all their software, because that's where their problem mainly is.
 
BJonson said:
Loving my Galaxy Note 4 more everyday.
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The Note 3 I had was great hardware, but my experience was very buggy. Wifi kept dropping, my Gear watch could never sync emails, right out of the box, and sometimes a process would just get stuck and the phone would get hot as h3ll until it was rebooted.

I hope the Note 4 is better because it looks like a great phone.
 
Radio said:
ugh - i thought i was the only one getting random crashes


i suppose i should wait a bit

this phone has been terrible

wifi dropping

random resets

finger print sensor not consistently working

:apple:
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Just swap out the phone. Be thankful Apple is willing to swap out the phone. Most companies you'd just be SOL.
 
Phil A. said:
To be honest, I'm struggling to get excited about this one way or another - I have a 128GB 6 and if it is an inherent fault and my phone does go wrong I'll just swap it out with Apple. If it isn't and my phone doesn't then it's all good.
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two words: screen. lottery.
 
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