Apple Said to Shift to Lower Power IGZO Displays for MacBook Pro Later This Year

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  1. Kra-Kow macrumors newbie

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    "... allowing for less power consumption, improved touch sensitivity, and increased pixel density, which could pave the way for higher resolution displays."

    Finally, the first touch screen MBP!
     
  2. itguy06 macrumors 6502a

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    You need to see some of the new Ultrabooks - 12+ hours of battery life. Heck even the machine I'm defecting to - the 2017 Spectre x360 with a 15" 4k screen has all the ports + 12 hours of life. Of course they did have to make it 2mm thicker but that's a small price to pay.
     
  3. Paul Dawkins Suspended

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    Does it really get 12 hours? and under what conditions?
     
  4. OldSchoolMacGuy Suspended

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    This way of thinking is so silly and yet so many here subscribe to it.

    Why buy the 2016 when the 2017 model will be better. But don't buy the 2017 because the 2018 will be even better than that. Wait, don't get the 2018 because the 2019 will be a step above it.

    At that rate they'll never buy.

    Buy it if you need it.

    Though the reality is that 99% of those that talk like they'd buy a MacBook Pro or a Mac Pro, would never actually buy one even if it had the features they wanted. They'd find some reason not to buy it, like price, and continue to blame this or that for not buying one and waiting for the next release.
     
  5. MH01 Suspended

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    Shame, tick tock is gone
     
  6. Branskins macrumors 65816

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    How is IGZO with uniformity? Every time Apple switches screen technologies it makes me nervous :eek:
     
  7. fokmik macrumors 68040

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    I bet Apple will use these, and make the battery a little bit bigger same that happen with the 2nd gen 12" Macbook and we will get an extra 2 hours battery
     
  8. RandomRazer Suspended

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    butii just bought a 3700 dollar macbook pro touch bar
     
  9. MI MacGuy macrumors regular

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    I love how all of the buyers of these first-gen touchbar MBPs basically became beta testers to the tune of $2K+ with the next version addressing all of the issues.
     
  10. oneMadRssn macrumors 601

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    The first "dongle" I ever had was an adapter for my PCMCIA ethernet card, which adapted the proprietary thin connector on the card to a proper ethernet jack.

    I think a dongle is any short wire, typically with one end of it being pretty bulky.
     
  11. Branskins macrumors 65816

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    What? What issues are addressed on this rumored machine?
     
  12. MH01 Suspended

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    If you needed a new machine, there was no point waiting for a rumoured upgrade. If apple does upgrade later this year, that will be disappointing as that means they just rushed something out to make Xmas .
     
  13. nt5672 macrumors 68000

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    In other words a toy.
     
  14. TigerWoodsIV macrumors 6502a

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    The only widespread "issue" is the battery is smaller in capacity than it would've been if they were able to use the newer design that failed testing.
     
  15. Branskins macrumors 65816

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    This is still speculation which isn't always correct (i.e. AirPod delay only for it to launch a week after the rumor).

    But even so, a more battery efficient display and CPU does not mean they will increase the capacity. They could aim for a slight improvement, or no improvement if they can make it smaller.

    We just don't know
     
  16. Pakaku macrumors 68020

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    Sounds like an iPad to me
     
  17. v0lume4 macrumors 68000

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    Well, it's apparently terminology that is used often enough to have made it to the dongle Wikipedia page. :D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongle
     
  18. satchmo macrumors 68020

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    Yes, but if you can squeeze 9 months to a year more, knowing Kaby Lake is imminent, and that the TB MBP's are first model year releases, and possible price drops, waiting for the next release is not a bad idea.
    As long as you don't make an excuse when the new model is announced. :)
     
  19. OldSchoolMacGuy Suspended

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    And yet they will. There will be some reason they don't want to upgrade next time, just like the time before, and the time before. It'll be that they aren't using the right Kaby Lake or the price didn't drop like they expected, or this or that. There's always an excuse and complaints.

    There has never been a single Apple product released which MR didn't complain up a storm about. Not one.
     
  20. Since1987 macrumors regular

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    Call it a day?? Call it an iPad Pro. Which , if we are honest... is the product that Cook and Ive want us to buy. They only keep MacOS around under protest. As far as keyboards?? I expect Siri Only is coming. Ports, Buttons, Storage, MagSafe, Keyboards etc. waste so much space and are the enemy of thinness.

    So basically, if you make a component that allows Apple to make stuff thinner. They want it. No questions asked. You are golden. Ive-ocracy run amok!!!
     
  21. HobeSoundDarryl macrumors 604

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    Of course...

    Apple doesn't eat 'considerably more costs.' They'll just pass them on to us with a higher price.

    The only way we don't get higher price is if other costs can be reduced enough to absorb it (and note: I doubt this higher cost can be washed by thinning the battery to yield "the same great battery life").

    I'll hope for that right with you. But I suspect this will mean "thinner" base because they need less battery with these to match the new lower battery life standard set by the most recent product. Apple faces either:
    • adding more battery,
    • keeping the battery about the same but increasing battery life with this more battery-efficient screen or
    • trimming battery for "thinner" so that the MBpro with this screen can have "the same great battery life."
    Which do we think they will they choose?

    Of course, they realize. But since there's these power whines still flying around (and probably justifiable on some level given the rare CR "don't recommend" rating), "we" pretend it will be the more positive outcome for now... instead of the one we know Apple will choose. When the choice is same battery or less battery at lower unit cost (based on cost of battery), we all know which one Apple chooses every time. All moves seem to revolve around "thinner." Eventually, there will be a choice to ship Apple tech with NO battery (but still the same full price) and then ask for more money with various kinds of battery pack add-ons.

    In this case, it appears the "considerably more cost" of this screen paired with it's less demanding energy requirements might mean Apple can butter it's bread on both sides: raise the price "because the screen costs 'considerably more'" and cut the unit costs for "thinner" because this screen needs less battery. That's called profit margin "innovation." Hoooooooooray!
     
  22. sziehr macrumors 6502a

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    So more efficient screens. I suspect they will trial these on the 12 that is the beta test platform. They will then ramp them up to 13 and 15.

    This will push the 12 into the 12 hour range which is there goal for that machine. This will take some of the burden off the machine on the larger units.

    This is good all around.

    This was enough to push me into a cheap 13 and just ride it out till the new better revised 15 with TB.

    They need a gen update on TB I think before it will be solid
     
  23. modeyabsolom macrumors member

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    Huh? I thought Apple had already migrated to the IGZO material on most of its products that use displays ages ago!
     
  24. xmonkey macrumors 6502a

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    This. Are we positive Apple isn't already using IGZO on the new MBPs?

    I don't know how they'd claim a 30% energy reduction for the new display while at the same time upping the max brightness to 500nits and giving it a P3 color gamut if it was using the same old manufacturing tech as before. The article even goes on to say IGZO offers greater benefits like higher brightness and wider color gamut...
     
  25. jwm macrumors 6502

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    Maybe the next version won't have a battery.
     

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