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Sounds like an iPad to me

It does, doesn't it?

Call it a day?? Call it an iPad Pro. Which , if we are honest... is the product that Cook and Ive want us to buy. They only keep MacOS around under protest. As far as keyboards?? I expect Siri Only is coming. Ports, Buttons, Storage, MagSafe, Keyboards etc. waste so much space and are the enemy of thinness.

So basically, if you make a component that allows Apple to make stuff thinner. They want it. No questions asked. You are golden. Ive-ocracy run amok!!!

You totally missed the point of my post :(
I want thinnest possible. Make it look like a plate, behave like a plate, and function like a plate. Coz that's the way Apple is heading :D
 
Maybe the next version won't have a battery.

I realize you are joking but the relentless clash of "thinner" and battery seems to inevitably culminate in the battery getting jettisoned. I mean, we just rationalized the headphone jack getting jettisoned on arguments like "antiquated/outdated." Well guess what is an OLDER technology than that headphone jack?

And Apple seems to be "innovating" heavily around the idea of add-on stuff (sold separately of course) to deliver what used to be built inside... so why not eject the battery and then sell small ("thinnest"), medium ("thinner") and larger ("thin") add-on packs so that people "can get whatever amount of battery they want."

Apple would get their 5 seconds at the big reveal to spin "thinnest MB ever" AND the increased revenue on each MB transaction since pretty much everyone would need to buy a battery pack of some size. Make it so that the pack must connect via a proprietary, patent-protected jack so that only Apple has supply for the first X months the new MB is out... and licensing keeps third parties from being able to roll out much cheaper alternatives.

Of course, with iPhone Apple learned they can eject that thing and raise the price, so why not eject this thing and raise the price? And they learned they can make the thing ejected connect via a proprietary jack for anyone that wants the functionality that used to be built inside, so Apple gets paid (extra) either way.

Bad dream? Or "the future" coming to Apple laptops near us all? :eek:
 
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Forgetting the absurdity of the incorrect stupid cliched repetitive dongle posts for a minute (you don't need them, just get the improved cables), when did we all start using the world dongle incorrectly? A dongle was alway an end device, a software protection key, a USB memory stick, a wifi dongle, a 4g dongle, a 3g dongle. A dongle has never been an adapter let alone a hub...
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And it doesn't even provide support for DDR4L, now that's a fail.
Now we know why Apple didn't wait for it.
 
"as soon as later this year". Oh, really, that soon huh? LOL. How about just "later this year" since if later this year is Q4 of 2017 it won't be happening "soon".
 
“ [...] but the material costs considerably more to manufacture.”

U-oh?
Just let me know the price so I can have up for it. I'll sell/give away my 2016 15" MBP.
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Something is telling me I should have waited for the second iteration :mad:
According to your siggy you didn't upgrade as there was no need to remember?
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A thinner MacBook Pro....

One of many reasons why Cook just got $1.5 mil pay cut. He just doesn't get it. The pro community doesn't want a device that is paper thin. They don't want a gimmicky touch bar. They don't want to wait around for 4 years for some supposedly "Pro" desktop that doesn't even remotely come close to being a pro machine.

They want power, they want all the ports they need, they want expandability & they want the pro software to go with them, nothing of which Apple's current Mac lineup provides and are some of the factors why Apple's pro customers are giving Apple the finger and saying "Adios".
You keep telling yourself that... you really think Apple was going to go up forever even as they've been the one of/most valuable company for years now.
 
Does that mean we have to wait at least until the end of 2017 to be able to purchase the next round of MBPs?
 
This, along with the new battery structure and better efficiency, will solve battery life issues but it probably won't be able to compete with the battery life of newer Windows notebooks.
In comparing the platforms, you can't just look at battery life. How about all the other features that come into play when comparing? What good does better battery life do for a windows machine that can't do all the things the mac does?
 
I would like better battery for most things and railed against thin, but now that I have it - this simply is the most amazing machine I have ever owned.

I am blown away at the precision. I am stunned at how well the trackpad works. And .....the touch bar is getting touched - it is useful.
I'm in love with my 2016 MBP for sure. It's amazing!
 
No it won't. THe battery life issues are drivers or firmware that has gone wonky. If it was predictable battery consumption then it would be easily repeatable, it's not though. So stating that the display and the battery configuration is going to solve the battery complaints is wrong. Flat out.
No, it is not wrong to say that increasing efficiency and capacity will solve the battery issues. Even if it was solely due to drivers (which is ISN'T), it would result in better battery life.

The battery life is repeatable. It is clear that you do not own a new MBP and so do not have the experience to say that. The Consumer Reports tests (which were obviously software related) aren't the only battery tests in the world.
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Most windows laptops already have terrible battery life. The newer-style terraced battery and IGZO display would go a long way to improving battery life.
Compared to the true battery life of the new MBP, their battery life is decent.

However, I wasn't talking about those. I was talking about newer Windows notebooks that have 12-18 hours of battery life. I believe the new Surface Book has 16 hours, although its probably 12-13 in reality.
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In comparing the platforms, you can't just look at battery life. How about all the other features that come into play when comparing? What good does better battery life do for a windows machine that can't do all the things the mac does?
I did not compare platforms. I didn't say that a Windows laptop should be bought instead of a MacBook Pro.

I did say that some newer Windows laptops have better battery life than any notebook Apple has produced.

For most people, theres really not much that a PC can't do and a Mac can. In fact, it's often the other way round due to application support and better internals (although those notebooks do not have better battery life).
 
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This, along with the new battery structure and better efficiency, will solve battery life issues but it probably won't be able to compete with the battery life of newer Windows notebooks.

Or, they can reduce the battery capacity further to make the notebook thinner and lighter.
 
Or, they can reduce the battery capacity further to make the notebook thinner and lighter.
That won't happen for another few years. The 15" might get thinner, but they might be more likely to get slightly thicker (~0.2mm) if there will be any change to thickness.
 
There has to be some reason for not making them thicker, adding back USB-A and HDMI in the process. Right?
Adding those back would be beyond stupid, according to the direction the tech industry wants to go. even if they could add them back while maintaining thinness, they wouldn't.
 
Yes.

Stacking 100, 36 MP images and editing huge Photoshop files with multiple layers can be very RAM intensive. Most people won't see much of a benefit from 32 GB RAM but I would love to see that in my laptop. My next desktop will have significantly more than 32.

That's true...

I suspect 99%+ Apple customers will not be doing or need to do that kind of photo processing on their laptop. Speaking as a photographer, I suspect that's true for 99% of photographers as well.

Apple knows who their customer base is.
 
This, along with the new battery structure and better efficiency, will solve battery life issues but it probably won't be able to compete with the battery life of newer Windows notebooks.

The battery life is really not that bad. And by not that bad, I mean it's actually pretty great considering the intensity of the display.

The whining on these forums is pretty disastrous. I've been running off a 13" 2012 MacBook Air since… well, since 2012. It served me fantastically, but the display was getting a bit splotchy. I just bought a decked out 15" 2016 MBP. It takes a few days to settle. iCloud, Mail, Photos, Spotlight, Messages, iTunes, Time Machine… all this background **** running basically nonstop for days. After that, battery life is a good 8+ hours. The display is incredible. I don't even know what to do with it honestly, since my external display is crap by comparison now.

Even the dongles… really not a big deal. I just need one—USB-C to USB-A for a hub. Everything else is a few dollars on Amazon for a new cables (USB-C to DisplayPort, USB-C to USB-MicroB, etc.). Carry an extra USB-C to USB-A adapter in the bag just incase. People make a big deal out of the silliest things.

This "disaster" of a notebook is the best computer I've ever owned. If the battery goes to hell in a year I'll hand it in and get another one, NBD. That's the glory of AppleCare. Maybe I'll get the new display an an extra 30 minutes of battery life.
 
I realize you are joking but the relentless clash of "thinner" and battery seems to inevitably culminate in the battery getting jettisoned. I mean, we just rationalized the headphone jack getting jettisoned on arguments like "antiquated/outdated." Well guess what is an OLDER technology than that headphone jack?

And Apple seems to be "innovating" heavily around the idea of add-on stuff (sold separately of course) to deliver what used to be built inside... so why not eject the battery and then sell small ("thinnest"), medium ("thinner") and larger ("thin") add-on packs so that people "can get whatever amount of battery they want."

Apple would get their 5 seconds at the big reveal to spin "thinnest MB ever" AND the increased revenue on each MB transaction since pretty much everyone would need to buy a battery pack of some size. Make it so that the pack must connect via a proprietary, patent-protected jack so that only Apple has supply for the first X months the new MB is out... and licensing keeps third parties from being able to roll out much cheaper alternatives.

Of course, with iPhone Apple learned they can eject that thing and raise the price, so why not eject this thing and raise the price? And they learned they can make the thing ejected connect via a proprietary jack for anyone that wants the functionality that used to be build inside, so Apple gets paid (extra) either way.

Bad dream? Or "the future" coming to Apple laptops near us all? :eek:
This is highly unlikely. A notebook computer without power is useless. Not useless in the sense that a computer without a floppy drive is useless to someone whose livelihood or self worth is dependent on having a built-in optical drive. I mean truly useless as a notebook computer. The only way the battery would be removed would be if it were replaced by some other technology (e.g., capacitors instead of batteries, or ubiquitous wireless power).
 
You just know that Apple will use the IGZO panels as an excuse to put in a smaller battery in order to bolster their bottom line. A 10% reduction of the battery saved them billions of dollars in the new Pro, which translate into higher profit margins for Tim Cook and Apple.
 
This should make everyone who just shelled out $3000+ for a new MBP 2016 feel real warm and fuzzy that they will soon have an inferior MBP.
 
I agree, they should have made an announcement they were waiting on Intels punk ass to release KL and expect to release in 2017. Instead they gave us a half baked battery implementation. Overall I get between 8-9 hours so I really can't complain. But thats after I stripped out a lot of lights and functions and made tweaks.
Otherwise this release is actually pretty damn good IMO.

Please post your tweaks and stripped out functions. It can help a lot of people on here.
 
If this is coming out later this year, my guess would be that it'd already be priced into the latest MBPs so they can avoid introducing a price increase on an "incremental" upgrade.

I bet you are right. The current price seems high compared to the hardware utilized. I bet they are thinking ahead (with their wallets). I think with a better screen it will be closer to a fair (Apple) price for what you'll be getting.
 
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