Hell, I'm running the base TB model with a measly 8GB and... it's totally fine. No issues.
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Apple Said to Shift to Lower Power IGZO Displays for MacBook Pro Later This Year
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All you will get is a second irritation. They compensated for the RAM with extremely fast SSD which to be honest will probably help quite a bit, since swapping out is a killer on non SSD and with a 4 year old SSD it's quite tolerable. The monitor will use less power, so I agree it should have better battery life. I just bought a MBP and the battery life is going to be 'good enough', basically. So I am not phased by these updates. On the very rare occasion that I am off the wall for more than 10 hours on a trip, I'll just not spend 10 hours and read a book or something - my attention span isn't that long.Something is telling me I should have waited for the second iteration
All this update info tells me is the prices won't fall.
Video editing, motion GFX, graphic design, running multiple 'kinda RAM hungry' programs at once, etc.,. As laptops have become more powerful people started regularly using them for things that used to be 'desktop only' territory.
A max of 16gig in Apple's flagship laptop is disappointing, IMO. Apple has a pretty long history in the creative industry, but the direction their computers have gone over the last 5 or 6 years has many people moving towards Windows (some for the first time).
I probably would've already sprung for a 15 inch Pro if the claims about battery life didn't come out. When considering the obvious benefits of buying a second gen Apple product and the price decrease I'm hopeful for on 15 inch models, I think it's wise to sit out this round and hope for an early Q3 launch.
I certainly feel a launch will happen by November. Look at the 2016 12" MacBook. It was updated right on schedule, and I don't think it will be any different for Apple's flagship Pro computer. Not to mention the Pro has a user base that benefits more from a processor update.
On top of this, Apple is now heavily incentivized to not only improve battery life (to combat bad PR) but also to redesign the battery form factor, ala 12" MacBook, to maximize battery life even more. This, combined with these new displays, will likely allow for multi-hour improvements in terms of battery life. This isn't just speculation either as earlier reports indicate Apple had designed a new, more innovative battery form factor that was scrapped late in the game due to quality issues.
I certainly feel a launch will happen by November. Look at the 2016 12" MacBook. It was updated right on schedule, and I don't think it will be any different for Apple's flagship Pro computer. Not to mention the Pro has a user base that benefits more from a processor update.
On top of this, Apple is now heavily incentivized to not only improve battery life (to combat bad PR) but also to redesign the battery form factor, ala 12" MacBook, to maximize battery life even more. This, combined with these new displays, will likely allow for multi-hour improvements in terms of battery life. This isn't just speculation either as earlier reports indicate Apple had designed a new, more innovative battery form factor that was scrapped late in the game due to quality issues.
You choose to ignore progress. Do we use the same energy storage within the battery as we did with Volta? How about in the '90's? Last decade? Even last year? Batteries are getting more and more efficient with energy storage, heat transfer, etc, and it's idiotic to ignore that and call the battery, even sarcastic, more outdated than the 3.5 mm jack.
Depends upon the user. Me I'm getting by with 8GB right now and for the most part satisfied with that much RAM.
Frankly my biggest problem with my laptop, a 2015MBP 13" is battery life when it is actually engaged in processor intensive tasks. Battery life times take a big nose dive when the processor is actually in use.
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What we are seeing with Kaby Lake is that web sites are actually being a little bit more honest about Intel's processors. There hasn't been a notable increase in processor performance for 4 years. Clock rate increases yes but no IPC increases that really made a difference. In some cases performance regressions have been seen. There are expectations of course as new instructions have been added to to the mix but these have limited use. The only thing Intel has done with nay consistency is to improve the GPU's and some of theI/O hardware. I'd call them nano ticks actually, so small you can't see them.
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That is due to a highly improved video decode unit. It is a great advancement but mean little if you are looking for an improved processor CPU unit. Intel did put effort into the GPU and allied video encoders and decoders which shouldn't be dismissed. Of course if you are the sort of users that demands more CPU power Kaby lake isa massive joke.
On a side note the reduced power levels could have a big impact on a Mac Pro if one ever gets updated.
The lower power means more cores running at a higher clock rate. Right now buying lots of cores has to be balanced against the fact that the cores run much slower than say a four core chip.
Actually all of those soldered in parts should lead to a much more reliable MBP. Especially now that we seem to be past the lead free solder horrors of a few years ago.
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Does it work now? If so stick with it. The fact is it will take a while for a significant up date to come as I really don't see Kaby Lake being updated in any manner that really matters.
I can see disagreeing with somebody else's ideas on this forum. I can see offering someone else advice - even if it's unsolicited. But what I can't see is someone telling someone else what to do on this forum. Especially when it involves speculation...
I am sick of these so called Pro machines of Apple having punny AMD mobile graphics which struggle even with basic games and get redundant within 4 years. AMD has a bad habit of discontinuing driver support in 4 years citing stupid reasons like older GCN architecture and what not.
On the other hand, if I were to build a powerful hackintosh with top of the line SkyLake/Babylake processors and insert a powerful Nvidia Pascal card Like Titan XP or GTX 1080, I would still be stuck at square one. That is because Nvidia has not yet released a macOS driver for Pascal cards. So it is a Catch32 situation.
I run my PC of the mains so I don't care if these IGZO displays will save tiny 2 amperes. Maybe it's time to switch to Windows 10 full time and embrace telemetry and spying with open arms.
On the other hand, if I were to build a powerful hackintosh with top of the line SkyLake/Babylake processors and insert a powerful Nvidia Pascal card Like Titan XP or GTX 1080, I would still be stuck at square one. That is because Nvidia has not yet released a macOS driver for Pascal cards. So it is a Catch32 situation.
I run my PC of the mains so I don't care if these IGZO displays will save tiny 2 amperes. Maybe it's time to switch to Windows 10 full time and embrace telemetry and spying with open arms.
I think I am the only one who likes the idea of thinner and smaller body ratio for Macbookpro because I used to own MacBookpro 2011 model 13 inch that was really heavy specially for my work , I am very okay with the idea that it has only usb c because I never used any other stuff like micro sd and other stuff , I do see big future for usb c and I wish all the compony adopt it in the near future and that every thing becomes usb c even cameras , I did buy one adopter from apple and its one port and does three jobs so Im happy with that ! does every thing and I don't see the big deal about it ? hey its only my opinion and maybe other people out there who really need these port but adopters aren't bad . yes I did buy the new MacBook with touch bar its awesome specially jumping from 2011 model
There is. Users buy adapters and/or dongles as "they need them" vs all the ports "just there" on the machine... even if you only really use 1.
Apple's all dongles now. No turning back the clock.
I realize you are joking but the relentless clash of "thinner" and battery seems to inevitably culminate in the battery getting jettisoned. I mean, we just rationalized the headphone jack getting jettisoned on arguments like "antiquated/outdated." Well guess what is an OLDER technology than that headphone jack?
And Apple seems to be "innovating" heavily around the idea of add-on stuff (sold separately of course) to deliver what used to be built inside... so why not eject the battery and then sell small ("thinnest"), medium ("thinner") and larger ("thin") add-on packs so that people "can get whatever amount of battery they want."
Apple would get their 5 seconds at the big reveal to spin "thinnest MB ever" AND the increased revenue on each MB transaction since pretty much everyone would need to buy a battery pack of some size. Make it so that the pack must connect via a proprietary, patent-protected jack so that only Apple has supply for the first X months the new MB is out... and licensing keeps third parties from being able to roll out much cheaper alternatives.
Of course, with iPhone Apple learned they can eject that thing and raise the price, so why not eject this thing and raise the price? And they learned they can make the thing ejected connect via a proprietary jack for anyone that wants the functionality that used to be built inside, so Apple gets paid (extra) either way.
Bad dream? Or "the future" coming to Apple laptops near us all?
Please stop filling the internet with ****.
I own Apple hardware, but every day I hate Apple that little bit more. I will have spent more on adaptors and connectors to get old stuff working than ever before. It's magical.
Apple to Adopt IGZO Displays for Future iPads and MacBooks?
MacRumors, Jul 10, 2013, in forum: MacRumors.com News Discussion
MacRumors, Jul 10, 2013, in forum: MacRumors.com News Discussion
Usage varies. And if you believe every post on Macrumors equates to what's consider fact, then I suggest visiting more concrete sources, because that's not the case from those I know who have the new Pro. Again, it's user based and everyone's experience is different.
You must be new to Apple.
My first Mac was a 7100 in 1995, and boy did I spend money and time on dongles and architecture/OS jumps.
The new MBP has enormous I/O capability with those 4 TB3 ports, and I like it very much thanks.
Apple highly disregards the status quo of legacy hardware, and the new machines are pure, distilled Apple.
If you don't like to be on the cutting edge there are tons of Wintel machines to choose from.
The ONLY thing anyone is going to notice, is that Chrome is going to use less battery when watching YouTube. Kaby Lake has hardware acceleration support for the VP9 codec. The Chrome/YouTube combo is special; when YouTube detects a Chrome user, it'll push a VP9-encoded video.
Because there are plenty of USB-C based solutions for that, either already available or being developed:Why everyone forgets about magsafe?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/branchusb/magneo-first-true-usb-c-magnetic-adapter
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Battery life is definitely not great with my 2016 MBP. But if I look at a 2012 MacBook Pro now, I think to myself: what kind of dinosaur is THAT?! It's weird like that
Yeah I don't like waste, so old devices keep working until they break, and then I repurpose what I can use. So I'm not a real Apple fanboy, I must admit, I'm not wedded to any OS or hardware platform. I'll make sure any dongles I have to buy work on non Apple hardware.
Why would you buy from a company that you hate? Would you buy a television, washing machine, or a car from a company you hate?
If you want to stay stuck in the past with 20 year old USB A connectors on a brand new computer there are plenty of options still out there - Lenovo, Sanyo, Packard Bell, etc.
But... Make your decision quickly. Apple, by going with four TB 3 ports with prodigious bandwidth and incredible flexibility on their latest laptop is pushing the future and industry forward, faster.
If you wait too long, the USB A laptop that you now covet will need a pocket full of dongles to adapt to upcoming peripherals that will be sporting USB C interfaces.
Why does it matter to you if someone is getting to the point of being displeased with Apple? How does a snarky response help anybody?
Different people have different needs/wants. (I thought that would've been obvious, but apparently it isn't.) For many, the new Macbook Pros are fine as they are. For others, not so much. For me, price-for-performance is not there.
Generally and historically speaking, Apple would improve all/most aspects of the next generation... a little better battery life... a little slimmer... a little faster... a little sharper. Their approach recently has been a bit more uneven, placing greater emphasis on physical dimensions than anything else. Some people see that and are affected by that, others are not.
And why does it matter to you why I'm genuinely curious as to why someone who hates a company continues to purchase their products?
"Their approach recently has been a bit more uneven, placing greater emphasis on physical dimensions than anything else."
Really? That's it - just a size reduction? You've (conveniently apparently) neglected to address the huge improvement in I/O capability. With four TB 3 ports each supporting a prodigious 40 GB of bandwidth along with increased flexibility. You also left out the superior display with wider DCI-P3 color gamut. Or the much greater SSD bandwidth. Or the fact that the 15" model can drive two external 5K displays each over a single cable (that also supports display control, audio from laptop to display, microphone audio from display to laptop, webcam video from display to laptop, and laptop charging power - and... three downstream USB C ports).
No need to bring up the reduced physical dimensions that you apparently feel is the only improvement, larger trackpad, touch bar, better keyboard, etc - it's the solid improvements mentioned in the previous paragraph that are most important.
A couple of Dell and Lenovo laptops have 32GB, though. And not only mobile workstations (they go up till 64GB), but 15" ultrabooks.