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BS. and even if it was the case, this thing is going to be seeing faces all the time and doing the same thing in the real world.
 
Yay and nay. So if someone is admiring my phone etc, faceid will ask for my passcode ..... so always actively trying to unlock

Not a great experience

Really? How many times do you expect to pass around your phone? Two? And how difficult will it be to enter a passcode a handful of times in exchange for showing off?
 
Did they explain how this works with ApplePay? Do I have to point it at my face first, and then place it on the reader or do I just need to unlock it with my face and then I can use the reader without pressing a button? I hope they don't expect us to place it by the reader and then bend over to get within range of the facial ID.

I like ApplePay because it's faster than reading a chip, but this seems like it will take more time than TouchID.
 
BS. and even if it was the case, this thing is going to be seeing faces all the time and doing the same thing in the real world.

It kills me how people on tech forums have such a poor understanding of things like this. Even worse, you have a poor understanding but assume Apple would make a huge mistake...arrogant and ignorant in one package.
 
I waited months for that headline "Thief cuts thumb of man for iphone, and tries to sell with severed thumb" :LOL
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Yep, You need to trigger the movement sensor (picking it up) for the phone to start looking for your face to unlock.
Actually. No. That is not required. Face ID is enabled by the TrueDepth camera. You don't need to pick it up.
 
How many people lift up your phone? Tho only time I hand my phone to someone is after I’ve unlocked it and want to show them something
In my case the only person that would lift my phone would be my Wife. I dont see an issue with this as she can just put the pin code in.
 
2 years later and removing the headphone jack was not a good move only another income stream for AirPods.

2 years from now touchID will still be better suited for humans than faceID but Apple will stay true to that overpriced iPhone XI, XII, XII - sorry I mean iPhone eleven, twelve, thirteen. It's a cool technology, but it has such obvious shortfalls.
 
"It worked as it was designed to."

So, it's apparently designed to get so confused by others that it locks, rendering itself useless.

Therefore, it's designed to be useless.

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Really? How many times do you expect to pass around your phone? Two? And how difficult will it be to enter a passcode a handful of times in exchange for showing off?

lets see at what angles the unlock works on.
 
This is bad design and why FaceID is problematic. If anyone other than me looks at my phone will it require my passcode every time? So anyone that picks up an iphone 10 to admire the phone will automatically be considered as an failed authentication request in FaceID?
While Touch ID locks the iPhone and requires users to input a passcode after five failed entry attempts, Face ID only allows for two failed recognition attempts before it locks the iPhone and requires a passcode to access the device, according to developer
 
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Again, I have to input my (long) passcode every day, and it does not work with gloves, so that is not "faster", assuming FaceID works as advertised.

Funny how narratives change: when it was time to criticize Apple for TouchID, wet hands and gloves were huge drawbacks. Now that it's time to bash FaceID, the old system is "flawless, intuitive and faster". History repeating.

yes funny how people are finding excuses why Touchid is flawed...... History is sure repeating itself....so your on the FaceID bandwagon now and TouchID is flawed?
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All they’re doing is explaining what happened and why it worked as it should e.g. it didn’t fail. Of course you don’t want screwups in demos but it’s happened to Jobs before like with the iPhone 4 demo where he couldn’t load a web page in Safari.

Excuses don't matter. It failed - in a demo, be it human, hardware or software. All they had to do, was get the person presenting to be the last one to touch the device....
 
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Actually. No. That is not required. Face ID is enabled by the TrueDepth camera. You don't need to pick it up.

I thought it was not continually scanning for faces (battery), that only lifting it up or touching the screen will make it actively look for a face ?
 
So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?

If this were Touch ID, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't think each one of my friends would be "touching the home button" of my phone with each of their fingers. (sounds dirty)
That is the most absurd edge case I've ever heard. You guys try so hard, bless your hearts.
 
All this over nothing. Beta software on pre-release hardware. So what if it had an issue.

Seriously? As a shareholder, I would say don't release it until you can avoid international ridicule.
 
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I thought it was not continually scanning for faces (battery), that only lifting it up or touching the screen will make it actively look for a face ?
Understandably, but the TrueDepth camera is a system, a combination of sensors and cameras that work together. After you've tapped the screen to wake up the iPhone X. And with enough light, then the proximity sensor will pick you up. In the dark, then the infrared camera is activated and will assist to detect your face. With the DotProjector. It's pretty darn smart system so to speak.

@joefrank64k,

Don't forget notifications and reminders. Fits right in there.
 
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So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?

If this were Touch ID, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't think each one of my friends would be "touching the home button" of my phone with each of their fingers. (sounds dirty)
So you are saying Apple didn’t think of that? I’m not saying that you are wrong, but surly they is a way using logic to arrive at a solution. Like: it detects 3 faces, tried the one looking at it in the middle first (mostly likely to be the person who owns the phone), it doesn’t recognize, it tries again. Then if that doesn’t work it picks the next closest who is actually looking at it, tries once, then tries the 3rd person?

I have a feeling on the lock screen that what you said might not work though, probably have to unlock and invoke Notification Center
 
That is the most absurd edge case I've ever heard. You guys try so hard, bless your hearts.

Doesn't matter if you disagree with it because it hurts your blind loyalty. A use case is a use case. In a family people pick up other peoples phones all the time (my kids do it daily) so now every time they pick it up it'll try to unlock itself thinking it wants to just because it is being picked up? With touch id there was no attempted unlock unless you touch the home button, my kids know that. With touch ID it is a lot easier to not trigger the unlock sequence but with FaceID simply picking it up triggers the flow. With TouchID my kids know they can tap the home button to be able to put in the code, but with FaceID it'll just fail eventually REQUIRING the code to unlock. There is a big difference in usability here. Too many changes here for my taste. It will be very interesting next year when Iphone 11 (XI?) comes out if they move FaceID to all models or if they solve the touchid through the glass issue by then and bring touchid back. I would rather have waited for touchid through the glass to work and not have the cutout at the top because you don't need all the sensors then. Put the sensors you do need behind the glass as well and allow an image over top of it. Then I think it would be perfect. The Iphone X just seems like an experiment to me which is actually good because it makes my decision easier.
 
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Doesn't matter if you disagree with it because it hurts your blind loyalty. A use case is a use case. In a family people pick up other peoples phones all the time (my kids do it daily) so now every time they pick it up it'll try to unlock itself thinking it wants to just because it is being picked up? With touch id there was no attempted unlock unless you touch the home button, my kids know that. With touch ID it is a lot easier to not trigger the unlock sequence but with FaceID simply picking it up triggers the flow. With TouchID my kids know they can tap the home button to be able to put in the code, but with FaceID it'll just fail eventually REQUIRING the code to unlock. There is a big difference in usability here. Too many changes here for my taste. It will be very interesting next year when Iphone 11 (XI?) comes out if they move FaceID to all models or if they solve the touchid through the glass issue by then and bring touchid back. I would rather have waited for touchid through the glass to work and not have the cutout at the top because you don't need all the sensors then. Put the sensors you do need behind the glass as well and allow an image over top of it. Then I think it would be perfect. The Iphone X just seems like an experiment to me which is actually good because it makes my decision easier.

Maybe you should turn off raise to wake, and stick to tap or button? You're grasping at straws to try and shoot the technology down. Also, in the worst case, you enter a passcode? It's not like your phone would be wiped or require much attention to get into.
 
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