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Maybe you should turn off raise to wake, and stick to tap or button? You're grasping at straws to try and shoot the technology down. Also, in the worst case, you enter a passcode? It's not like your phone would be wiped or require much attention to get into.

Exactly. If your use case is other people touching your phone constantly, maybe the iPhone X isn't for you.
 
I wonder how wide the FaceID can sense? One potential downside is driving with your phone in a dash mount / CD slot mount etc. in the center of the dash. If it can't see you and you have to type in a passcode, this is a disadvantage vs. touching the home button without even looking.
 
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Maybe you should turn off raise to wake, and stick to tap or button? You're grasping at straws to try and shoot the technology down. Also, in the worst case, you enter a passcode? It's not like your phone would be wiped or require much attention to get into.

The irony of it, is that what you describe as grasping at straws and pretty much that exact use case made Craig look like a fool during the presentation. Sorry. a well thought out implementation this is not it seems.
 
Okay, so if I leave my phone somewhere and I get a text, and two friends see my phone got some notification, looks at the screen and tells me "hey! I think you got a text!" then I have to passcode unlock. This would not be a problem with Touch ID.
I do this with my wife's phone ALL THE TIME. She's blind as a bat. It's just easy for me to look at it quickly for her...
 
"It worked as it was designed to."

So, it's apparently designed to get so confused by others that it locks, rendering itself useless.

Therefore, it's designed to be useless.

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It doesn't need to be useless to be a step backward. Even Gruber said:

"If it’s worse than Touch ID in any meaningful way, it’s an inexcusable mistake."

The skepticism here is reasonable. Particularly given reports that Touch ID was originally planned for the device and being worked on until early this year.
 
The irony of it, is that what you describe as grasping at straws and pretty much that exact use case made Craig look like a fool during the presentation. Sorry. a well thought out implementation this is not it seems.
It seems extremely well thought out to me. This is the most secure my phone will have ever been. If you have people handling your phone every day, and don't want to take the appropriate measures, get an iPhone 8 or competitors product :)
 
Yeah, but it did. Nice try Apple. The video doesn't lie.
Next time, get it right. You deserve the full force of the FAIL that this was.
 
It might be very secure. But it's not like TouchID was bad to begin with. At least on a consumer level it was more than good enough. But other things matters more: speed and convenience. What I saw during the presentation looked a bit awkward and slow. TouchID embedded into the screen makes far more sense on a personal device than this holding the phone in front of you.

Then all the rumors about the TouchID. They were working on it until last minute. I am certain. And then the Notch: when Jony Ive said, a bazel less phone has always been the goal, then I have a hard time to believe that this "intrusion" into the real estate of the screen to hoist the myriad of sensors was not a last minute compromise.

If they had been working on it for years, I am also certain that the iPhone X would have been ready for the masses on day 1 after the presentation. Especially for a device to celebrate a milestone.

FaceID was certainly something Apple has been working on for a long time. For their Laptops and Desktop computers.
The iPhone 7 had shortages last year and the design was three years old. Just because Apple works on something for a long time, does not mean they'll be able to mass produce it shortly after announcing. It's not how it works. A manufacturering issue on a new part can cause major issues.

FaceID may be secure and not necessary, but I never said it was better. Just the same with the home button....it was a design sacrifice. No one on this planet or any other can convince me an upward swipe is more intuitive than the home button. It's an interface sacrifice that was made in light of creating a device that was mostly bezel less.

The part that looks tacked on to me is the notch. Mark my words: people are going to bitch. I'm pretty sure Apple is going to offer an "always" black status bar in a future update. If they don't, they're really missing the ball here...
 
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So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?

If this were Touch ID, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't think each one of my friends would be "touching the home button" of my phone with each of their fingers. (sounds dirty)
____________________________________ This feature is an answer to a non-existent problem
 
So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?

If this were Touch ID, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't think each one of my friends would be "touching the home button" of my phone with each of their fingers. (sounds dirty)

So in essence if you are the only person that ever comes near your iPhone it workes perfect. If not it's like the old days when there was only the passcode. Perfect - like magic

Yay and nay. So if someone is admiring my phone etc, faceid will ask for my passcode ..... so always actively trying to unlock

Not a great experience

Incredible hysteria, hyperbole, and absurdity. Clearly, none of you will be happy with the X. Leave more for the rest of us. Get the 8. You'll still have your touch ID.
 
It seems extremely well thought out to me. This is the most secure my phone will have ever been. If you have people handling your phone every day, and don't want to take the appropriate measures, get an iPhone 8 or competitors product :)

Nope. I will stick with present one, 6s+, thank you very much. I am satisfied with the security and speed the TouchID is providing me. And I like to enjoy my AKG and Sure Earphones via the headphone jack for another year.

I rather wait for the next year's phone, when TouchID embedded in the screen is available and enjoy reading the messages here. It will be the best thing since sliced bread.
 
The hand wringing on Macrumors never fails!
I can see this FaceID being a battery hog. That's probably why it's limited to two tries. Could you imagine it always tracing your eyes and watching you?
This is because Apple is trying to solve a (identification) problem that didn't exist - thereby creating a host of other issues that they even themselves didn't have a clue about.
All wasted time and effort that could have been put into more meaningful innovation.
 
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I haven't had to use it yet - what did you find most cumbersome about it when you used it? I don't know about you, but I tend to hold my phone in front of my face when I use it, so I don't think I would find holding the phone in front of my face that cumbersome. Although I suppose different people use their phones differently.

As for Craig wiping his face - wasn't that most likely just an exaggerated 'oh ****' reaction?
Pay attention how hes holding it still and at just right amount of distance. Plus it took him quite a long time to unlock it. LEt's wait and see what will people say in november when they get their first units.
 
What happens if there are two people looking at the phone? i.e. if the missus and I are standing together about to take a picture. Did Apple mention that?
 
So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?

If this were Touch ID, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't think each one of my friends would be "touching the home button" of my phone with each of their fingers. (sounds dirty)

Yeah because I always show my friends a funny text on a lock screen. How ridiculous is that scenario.
 
It did fail. The first look invoked no incorrect response/Passcode needed. He was forced to sleep the screen to try again. Then getting a Passcode required.

Although it should require a passcode when you swipe up to unlock ... it wouldn’t require one just from looking at it while locked out.
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Yay and nay. So if someone is admiring my phone etc, faceid will ask for my passcode ..... so always actively trying to unlock

Not a great experience

I would assume only if they try to swipe up while locked.
 
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yes funny how people are finding excuses why Touchid is flawed...... History is sure repeating itself....so your on the FaceID bandwagon now and TouchID is flawed?
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Excuses don't matter. It failed - in a demo, be it human, hardware or software. All they had to do, was get the person presenting to be the last one to touch the device....
Depends on how one defines fail. For me fail means Craig using the device (with his face stored) as intended to unlock the phone and it not unlocking. That didn’t happen here. So yes if we want to be pedantic the demo was a fail but that doesn’t mean Face ID itself failed. And that’s what Apple is responding to. They’re not making excuses for anything.
 
Yes he failed the first time, but I think
... Still I think that Touch ID is a better and faster solution but unfortunately they weren't able to put the touch ID sensor under the OLED glass and Samsung's solution having by the rear camera is not elegant at all. I knew Apple would never use this design.
That's the result of 5 yrs of ignored bezel opposition - whereby they came to remove bezels at all which is completely unnecessary with all the complications that arise from that arrogant attitude of overdoing things after such lamentation.
 
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Nope. I will stick with present one, 6s+, thank you very much. I am satisfied with the security and speed the TouchID is providing me. And I like to enjoy my AKG and Sure Earphones via the headphone jack for another year.

I rather wait for the next year's phone, when TouchID embedded in the screen is available and enjoy reading the messages here. It will be the best thing since sliced bread.
Sounds good, please do enjoy it.
 
None of you folks must work with your hands. The moment you do any heavy work with your hands [no gloves] your finger print cracks as the skin dries and flakes from working hard labor repeatedly. TouchID fails every time. It's one of the reasons the solution for facial recognition was proposed.

Of course, one can remap their finger prints over and over again, defeating the point of TouchID in the first place, or just type in 6 numbers.
 
Do we know that Face ID is constantly looking for a face. If it is one would assume battery life would be garbage yet Apple says X gets two hours more battery life than the 7.
 
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Pay attention how hes holding it still and at just right amount of distance. Plus it took him quite a long time to unlock it. LEt's wait and see what will people say in november when they get their first units.

He appears to be holding it in front of his face, coincidentally at just about the sort of distance you would hold a phone in front of you.

You talked about the second half of the demo, and it getting confused when both were looking at it.

Which part is this, who is the other person, and how did this confusion manifest itself?

I don't think 'look at how he is holding it' really answers those questions. I'm genuinely curious, because I'm really not sure which part you are referring to. :)
 
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