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So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?

If this were Touch ID, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't think each one of my friends would be "touching the home button" of my phone with each of their fingers. (sounds dirty)

I don't think I've ever seen someone who blatently haven't RTOP before. Didn't he clearly say, '... you have to look at the phone *AND* swipe up...' smh.
 
Animojies and Carpool Caraoke are for the slightly less educated masses that the Cookette Apple wants to address. They're doing their best to ignore the Aperture user base - even iWorks has become off-mainstream...

Hey - if you're going to take the moral high ground above "the slightly less educated masses" at least learn how to spell karaoke.

Which is great by the way - what is it with this notion that "educated people" can't also happen to enjoy a bit of light entertainment?

Are you seriously going to tell me that I'm "slightly less educated" than you because I like Carpool Karaoke? If so, I'd rather be uneducated than a snob.
 
this is the problem. whatever really caused it but this will alwas be "face id fails on first ever public attempt to unlock the phone". i think it was also bad how craig reacted to it. he obviously shocked and surprised but i also don't understand how they can't make sure everything is working before they start showing the phone
How many people actually watch Apple's events live? Most people who don't obsess over tech will never hear about this, they'll go try it in an Apple Store and base their opinion on the experience there, or someone they know will get an iPhone X and they'll see how it works for them. The only people who will remember this are the Apple hating trolls who were never gonna buy the iPhone anyway.
 
I agree for the most part, I watched most of the keynote but missed the actual part with the FaceID issue, I only came back here when I started seeing multiple posts on FB etc from multiple sources talking about it (or rather taking the piss out of it) so it's definitely an embarrassment and Apple's refusal to ever admit a problem (antenna's etc) means people need to have confidence in anything new, Apple needed to be slick with this and they sadly weren't.

I think the new watch was actually the most impressive part of the keynote as it's now a viable stand-alone product rather than a notification centre for the phone (or rather at least you'll be able to go out without the phone and use the watch instead).

I'm tempted by the 8, I went from 6 to SE and I may just stay with the SE - the 8 looks decent but it's a shame they still couldn't at least put in the cameras from the plus. The other upgrades all look worthwhile.
Valid, although the problem doesn't seem to have been with FaceID itself so much as planning how to handle the phone. It (embarrassingly) occurred to no one that if they play looky-looky with an iPhone X the FaceID function would iterate-out. I guess FaceID is new for everyone. But the masses aren't collectively that bright and won't care that the security actually worked properly. I'm ready to hear all about how "I heard that FaceID has problems." #bungled

I'm also looking at the 8. I don't care at all about 3D Touch, Qi, or absent bezels. I also prefer a headphone jack, so what I really wanted was an upgraded SE reveal. So I'm now torn between an SE with a 3-generation-old processor and a phone that's still too big for my ideal with features I don't need at a price point that hurts. I need to buy now because my 6 is acting wonky and GPS is broken. Maybe the right move is the Apple monthly payment plan with a "downgrade" next year if they put the A10 into the SE.

Edit (9/15): Preordered an 8. My 6 is behaving wonky and GPS is shot so I couldn't wait for an SE with the right internals. Figure I can eBay it in a year of the SE is brought up to speed.
 
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You have to try to *open* it while locked. It’s not an attempt until then. It’s not about “just looking at it”.

It is "just looking at it". As soon as you wake the phone, it tries to authenticate. AFTER it does, you swipe up un go to the home screen. That process needs to be reversed.

1) wake the phone. Shows the lock screen
2) swipe up to access
3) FaceID
 
Sounds like it keeps it pretty secure, but it does mean you'll be using your passcode more if you have your phone out in a crowd and it starts trying to find faces. I wonder how it decides when you're trying to open it...that logic will determine how often it seems to get it wrong. That's an issue, a lot of people will think it's failing if this happens a lot.

I do like the fact that you can't be forced to open the phone...apparently you just need to close your eyes and it will fail to recognize your face. I can't wait for all the testing where people try to get into it without permission, should be fun to watch.
are you front facing your camera towards people? I dont understand what you mean by trying to find faces?
 
It is "just looking at it". As soon as you wake the phone, it tries to authenticate. AFTER it does, you swipe up un go to the home screen. That process needs to be reversed.

1) wake the phone. Shows the lock screen
2) swipe up to access
3) FaceID

^^ this
..but still more of a faff that what I currently do.

1) wake the phone pressing the home button, simultaneously unlocking it

I'm really wanting to love the new phone but it feels like FaceID is going to be a pain. What about the part where it can spot you looking at it on a table and unlock itself automatically. Every person who glances at your phone, and there will be plenty, will be a failed unlock and it's back to passcode time.

Apple should have kept TouchID, even on the back, it's better than this.
 
Even if Face ID flawlessly executed on the first phone, I would still not want to get a first gen Face ID device based off the user mechanics behind it with a swipe up.
 
So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?

If this were Touch ID, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't think each one of my friends would be "touching the home button" of my phone with each of their fingers. (sounds dirty)

Fail on comment. Your phone would unlock as you’re the first person who would see the text/notification so as you pass it around, FaceID would no longer be active. Also, I’ve had this happen where TouchID gets locked out from people grabbing the home button as phone gets passed around. So....FaceID is actually better unless you’re concerned about passing your unlocked phone around.
 
How many people actually watch Apple's events live? Most people who don't obsess over tech will never hear about this, they'll go try it in an Apple Store and base their opinion on the experience there, or someone they know will get an iPhone X and they'll see how it works for them. The only people who will remember this are the Apple hating trolls who were never gonna buy the iPhone anyway.

Normally I'd agree that most people don't know about Apple events, but this demo goof was even recreated in a skit on late night TV. And you know SNL will probably do something this weekend.

I was also surprised to overhear my teen daughter and her fellow iPhone friends talking about it, and deciding they'd rather wait an extra year to upgrade in case TouchId comes back. I had no idea they even knew about the event.

(They're also still ticked off about the missing headphone jack!)
 
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How could it work with sunglasses, if it won't work when you have your eyes closed? (that was in one of the demos on another site that an Apple employee did at the event).

(So people will still be able to keep law enforcement out of their iPhones) :)

Regarding the presentation comments...yes, still surprised that they have silly things like having to plug an iPhone in during a demo (why don't they have automated intelligent switching setup?) Heh. And why do they have a slide clicker remote, rather than using an app on their Apple Watches???


my understanding is that it is not taking images, but rather using infrared. if so, many sunglasses do not block IR. Would it be able to detect your eyes through those sunglasses? If not, sunny parts of the year will require shade removal.
 
So faceID is a like when someone rings your doorbell, but instead of looking at who is there you run to the panic room?
 
Valid, although the problem doesn't seem to have been with FaceID itself so much as planning how to handle the phone. It (embarrassingly) occurred to no one that if they play looks-looks with an iPhone X the FaceID function will iterate-out. I guess FaceID is new for everyone. But the masses aren't collective that bright and won't care that the security actually worked properly. I'm ready to hear all about how "I heard that FaceID has problems." #bungled

I'm also looking at the 8. I don't care at all about 3D Touch, Qi, or absent bezels. I also prefer a headphone jack, so what I really wanted was an upgraded SE reveal. So I'm now torn between an SE with a 3-generation-old processor and a phone that's still too big for my ideal with features I don't need at a price point that hurts. I need to buy now because my 6 is acting wonky and GPS is broken. Maybe the right move is the Apple monthly payment plan with a "downgrade" next year if they put the A10 into the SE.

I'd love a new SE, as nice as the 6 was I prefer the size in one hand of the SE and don't miss the larger screen a year down the line. I design speakers for a living so I often find the headphone jack rather handy! It's been less flaky than my 6 was, always fast and with great battery life. One of the reasons I'm not convinced to upgrade to the 8 (or X).
 
So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?

If this were Touch ID, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't think each one of my friends would be "touching the home button" of my phone with each of their fingers. (sounds dirty)

No since you looked at the screen first it would have already unlocked.

Which means that if you're looking at the text on the lock screen, then it will go away as your phone unlocks and goes to the home screen. Which means you then have to take additional steps to pull up the text. I always do this as I don't have the content of my lock notifications appear, but many people do, and for them this will be an added step ...

are you front facing your camera towards people? I dont understand what you mean by trying to find faces?

For instance -- as I understand it, the phone will unlock when lying flat on a table without having to pick it up. If I'm at a meeting and my phone is laying on the table between me and my colleague, and he glances at my phone for any reason, it should try to unlock. After a couple of times doing that, then I'll have to enter the password.
 
Depends on how one defines fail. For me fail means Craig using the device (with his face stored) as intended to unlock the phone and it not unlocking. That didn’t happen here. So yes if we want to be pedantic the demo was a fail but that doesn’t mean Face ID itself failed. And that’s what Apple is responding to. They’re not making excuses for anything.

Its a Demo - if it does not go to plan for any reason as rehearsed , its a fail. You are actually being pedantic in finding an excuse.
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Incredible hysteria, hyperbole, and absurdity. Clearly, none of you will be happy with the X. Leave more for the rest of us. Get the 8. You'll still have your touch ID.

Try facial recognition on a phone, and get back to us. Amazing how many people are singing the praises , like its the best user experience since slice bread, without having used one ;)
 
You people are ridiculous on so many levels. You have an issue with "oh no the face id thing failed! Ahhhh" then its confirmed that it didn't actually fail and you move onto the next thing you could conceivably be upset about "ohhh wow. So it didn't fail. BUT what if a bunch of random people are just staring at my locked phone??"

You people are just looking for reasons to be upset. Jesus Christ people. It's never ending. Dreaming up scenarios that most likely won't happen ala Touch ID "what if someone wants to rob you and cuts your finger off?!?!"

Just take a break and enjoy the current state of tech for a bit. We live in amazing times

We do enjoy tech and guess what it gets better every day because people criticize it and force the engineers to make it better. That's the way things go.....
 
Plausible enough.
But what will happen, if I'm on the subway, having a dozen people staring at my iPhone X. Does it pick his "owner" out and unlocks or do I have to type in my passcode in front of all those people.. :confused:

It only attempts authentication based on a face giving the sensors *attention*; i.e. a face looking right at Face ID. And this next mini-rant isn't an attack on you but here goes...

The thing is with every Apple innovation there's never enough stage time to give you a deep dive into just how much thought and engineering they put into their stuff. We saw a high-level keynote. Of course they've thought of nearly every scenario and poured lots of their ample resources into R&D. Come on, they're not perfect but if we can think of these "gotchas" so can a massive group of software and hardware teams.

Why have we come to think of Apple as collective group of idiots that stumbled into their decades-long success??
 
Exactly my thought. I do believe this version, but as you say Face ID should not always scan the hell out of everything looking at it. Unlocking should be triggered somehow by the user proactively.
I wonder why it is scanning all the time. Hmmmm..... :rolleyes:
 
So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?

If this were Touch ID, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't think each one of my friends would be "touching the home button" of my phone with each of their fingers. (sounds dirty)
You're making this out to be a bigger deal than it is, stop being so nit-picky. If you don't like the feature, there's an iPhone 8 waiting for you. Leave the stock for the people who won't complain.
 
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