Apple denies FaceID failed. "Federighi wasn't holding it right" they said when asked to comment.
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Apple Says Face ID Didn't Fail Onstage During iPhone X Keynote
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I didn't see the "fail" as a big deal, because it actually wasn't. Don't we get that screen from time to time on our iphones? It was just prompting him to enter the pasword to enable face id again. What anoyed me was his reaction, like others said. Didn't he know the password? He could've entered it and proceed with the demo like nothing happened, or could've given a little explanation. His reaction, unfortunately, was what made people think it had failed. Nevertheless, for those who understand what happened, this won't be a big factor in their decision. I, for sure, can't wait to have the iPhone X in my hands
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La-de-da, well look at you a shareholder. I also own Apple stock and this is all about nothing. OMG OMG there was issue during a demo. Guess what, these things happen all the time this isn't a big deal. So don't worry your pretty little head your 10 shares won't won't take a hit over this.
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Ah, I see. So when you said:
"Carpool Caraoke is for the slightly less educated masses"
You actually meant to say:
"Carpool Karaoke is unlikely to genuinely or enduringly satisfy one's cultural interests"
In which case I really don't see where education comes into it, as clearly Carpool Karaoke isn't setting out to do so.
Is there a reason you are insinuating that, were I more educated, I would be more able to follow logical reasoning?
Ironically, I don't follow your supposed logic in drawing a direct correlation between how educated someone is, and what their cultural interests happen to be.
This is a requirements bug where the basis for the system initiating the face ID process is the existence of a face rather than intent to initiate the face ID process. The resulting problem is two-fold. First, that it assumes the existece of a face is sufficient reason to initiate the process, the result being that we can expect to have to log in manually until the issue is resolved. The second issue is a consequence of the first as battery life will be drained by face ID processing that isn't required and battery life will diminished.
The solution to the problem is to redefine intent to be something other than looking at the iPhone or, at least, two independent actions or states that together constitute intent. I would have thought that an issue like this would have been discovered during beta or alpha testing. Unfortunate, indeed, that it was uncovered during such a high profile demo. These kind of issues will always exist for early adopters for new technology. Lucky that this one will likely be corrected with a software update.
The solution to the problem is to redefine intent to be something other than looking at the iPhone or, at least, two independent actions or states that together constitute intent. I would have thought that an issue like this would have been discovered during beta or alpha testing. Unfortunate, indeed, that it was uncovered during such a high profile demo. These kind of issues will always exist for early adopters for new technology. Lucky that this one will likely be corrected with a software update.
Ah! So never launch any product by including a demo that so much as has the potential to have any sort of glitch?
Sure - and good luck as a shareholder of that company.
No, customizing it based on his usage. If you won't change your personal behavior so that a face scanner works, then you can customize features of the phone to allow your personal usage.
Your citations are wrong again.
But feel free to consider yourself within the definition of anything you don't like or want to be (I guess we may agree - in that respect)
If you seriously think this forum spills negativity you have really seen nothing.
But doesn't that require him to enter the passcode.i believe I didn't see him do it.
During an iPhone X demo conducted by Craig Federighi in yesterday's keynote, Face ID appeared to fail to recognize his face, leading to doubts about the feature's reliability and accuracy.
There was a lot of speculation about just what went wrong on stage, ranging from a Face ID failure to a passcode lock, and according to Apple, it was the latter issue that caused the device not to work properly on stage. In a statement provided to Yahoo's David Pogue, Apple says the device locked after several people interacted with it ahead of Federighi, causing it to require a passcode to unlock.While Touch ID locks the iPhone and requires users to input a passcode after five failed entry attempts, Face ID only allows for two failed recognition attempts before it locks the iPhone and requires a passcode to access the device, according to developer documentation. There were arguments over how many times Federighi attempted to unlock the iPhone X with Face ID while on stage given that two attempt limitation, but Apple's explanation makes sense. A secondary iPhone X unlocked with no issues during the demonstration.
The ins and outs of Face ID and its reliability will remain largely unknown until the iPhone X launches in November and is in the hands of customers. Members of the media received hands-on time with the device following the event, but reviews were somewhat mixed. Most people were generally impressed with Face ID and saw it work seamlessly, but there was also at least one report of a problems with the feature not working until the display was turned on and off.
Face ID uses infrared scanning techniques to create a mathematical model of a user's face, which is compared to a facial scan stored on the device to authenticate. Because it uses infrared, Face ID works in the dark and in low lighting conditions, and Apple says it also works with hats, glasses, and beards, makeup, and other items that might partially obscure the face.
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Hmm. Well it could be that you're just not explaining yourself very well.
Are you, for example, forming an opinion of what someone's cultural interests might be, based on their education?
Surely it is simply incorrect to say:
"Carpool Caraoke is for the slightly less educated masses"
I would posit that Carpool Karaoke is actually for anyone who finds it entertaining regardless of how educated they happen to be.
And Maisie Williams and Sophie Turner's rendition of Wrecking Ball was hilariously entertaining. In my uneducated opinion.
Regardless of whether it failed or worked as expected, there's some serious flaws with their approach here that will frustrate a lot people - especially the non-informed who will think something is wrong.
Essentially, what Apple just said is that
"If you're not the only person you show your device to, you will be using PIN unlock quite often"
I can go on and on, but the point is that there's plenty of everyday interactions where you or someone else may choose to interact with your locked device. Apple's decision here is to basically make you enter a PIN now going forward. How is this "forward thinking?"
Lastly, there's the concern that your device is unlocking without you always realizing it. Some of the Apple promo pics show people at an angle away from their device and it's unlocking. Meaning, you don't have to be staring directly over the screen - it can read from certain angles. What if your device is sitting on the table in front of you while you're doing something else? Did it just unlock? Your eyes are open. Someone else can just pick up your phone, flick up and they are now in your device.
This is a pretty poor implementation of "security".
Granted, there may be a lot more going on that we just don't know until it comes out, but as of THIS MOMENT, there's zero evidence that this will not be a huge step backwards.
Essentially, what Apple just said is that
"If you're not the only person you show your device to, you will be using PIN unlock quite often"
- Someone sent you a funny text/pic and you want to quickly show it to your nearby friends from the lock screen?
- The issue here is that IF you look at your phone first, your device is now unlocked. So, if you choose to pass your device around, anyone can just flick up to get into your device.
- If it doesn't see your face first, then by the time you get your device back, you will have to enter a PIN because it will fail to read everyone's faced
- For those of you NOT single, then any time your spouse takes a look at notifications on the lock screen then by the time you get your device back, you will have to enter your PIN.
- Hand your device to someone else to take a picture of you? Enter your PIN.
I can go on and on, but the point is that there's plenty of everyday interactions where you or someone else may choose to interact with your locked device. Apple's decision here is to basically make you enter a PIN now going forward. How is this "forward thinking?"
Lastly, there's the concern that your device is unlocking without you always realizing it. Some of the Apple promo pics show people at an angle away from their device and it's unlocking. Meaning, you don't have to be staring directly over the screen - it can read from certain angles. What if your device is sitting on the table in front of you while you're doing something else? Did it just unlock? Your eyes are open. Someone else can just pick up your phone, flick up and they are now in your device.
This is a pretty poor implementation of "security".
Granted, there may be a lot more going on that we just don't know until it comes out, but as of THIS MOMENT, there's zero evidence that this will not be a huge step backwards.
please refrain from showing evidence because like the alt-left and antifa cult apple is a cult with followers who follow so strongly regardless of any iphone faults. antenna gate and the like come to mind but yet you get tons of apple cult folks say it’s “not an issue”
clearly craig tried to face unlock more than once before that security pin popped up so yes indeed FACEID FAILED. he even wipes his face because makeup and or oil is an issue. bet on it.
I know everyone, even Apple, says FaceID fails after two attempts, but didn't it fail twice in the video, and then unlock just fine without requiring the passcode? I may have not seen correctly but that's what it looked like to me. At about 1:30 the padlock wiggles twice when Mark tries it, then the Apple employee unlocked it just fine.
I was not about data privacy or whatever, but exactly what you described. Just that the scaning should be triggered by the user.
Are we to assume that the BACK-UP iPhone X was also not exposed to the same other persons as well?
Why not?
Was it face down?
If so, is that a sensible way to treat an all display iPhone without a case?
Why not?
Was it face down?
If so, is that a sensible way to treat an all display iPhone without a case?
My guess is the phone would have been face matched and tested numerous times before it was ever set on stage for a live demo.
It must've worked fine before being jostled among people setting up each demo.
I have confidence it was not a software/hardware issue. We'll see.
It must've worked fine before being jostled among people setting up each demo.
I have confidence it was not a software/hardware issue. We'll see.
apple will make any excuse but watch the video over and you will see the iphone try to authenticate his face but failing to do until the pin security shows up. i would’ve been more content if apple explained someone else’s faceid was preset and that employee made a mistake. rather than cover up antenna gate style.
you will see the same type of failures with faceid on oily skin reflective faces and heavy makeup users.
True, it didn't fail to do what it was supposed to do.
But if this is a common occurrence, then the ENTIRE CONCEPT is a failure, which is even worse!
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Yeah, I was about to point out the same thing, and I was a big proponent of the pre-failed theory.
After viewing the video multiple times, one thing stood out to me: notice that he was so sure it had unlocked right away the first time he held it up, that he automatically did the swipe up even without the unlock symbol.
Perhaps he didn't have it facing him well enough. Does that mistaken swipe up event count towards failure? Who knows.
Perhaps it was half-cocked already, with one prior fail? Because it seemed to pretty quickly move to the passcode screen after he wiped his cheeks.
Someone needs to analyze it frame by frame
That is, if it's still meaningful. It could've been a glitchy pre-production unit as well, or just bad demo luck. Been there, done that. Anyway, I think we'll soon know which from mass first hand experience.
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This is still an issue though. So FaceID constantly tries to scan people whenever they are handling your phone? What if I'm just showing my friend my phone and then it tries to scan his face - and locks out after only 2 times I can see FaceID locking people out very often then.