Apple Says Face ID Didn't Fail Onstage During iPhone X Keynote

[thadoggfather]

Only if you're short sighted enough to see the world that way

I don't see the ENTIRE world that way don't be melodramatic, I see presentations about new products that way (and often times, some other facets in life like first dates, and interviews for example).

That's how the tech world operates

MS got so much backlash for having to have 24/7 connectivity and going all digital, that they COMPLETELY changed their minds on the way Xbox one would operate

Impressions clearly matter. I'm not making this stuff up. And I dont write the rules, either.

 

[DeepIn2U]

This is still an issue though. So FaceID constantly tries to scan people whenever they are handling your phone? What if I'm just showing my friend my phone and then it tries to scan his face - and locks out after only 2 times I can see FaceID locking people out very often then.

All the more reason for people to just keep their phones as intended ... private!

Either than or you unlock it as normal and of course that your 'friend' is a true friend, or not a prankster/etc whom will access all your personal media and do something vile for a few seconds lol.

I'd have loved a secondary FaceID to be registered, say family member for extreme emergencies where 1 point of contact is not enough. Then again Health Sharing may be enough for such emergenices. I'm curious how Parental Controls works for FaceID enabled devices, hmmm.

 

[Verita]

So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?

If this were Touch ID, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't think each one of my friends would be "touching the home button" of my phone with each of their fingers. (sounds dirty)

Go back and watch the whole keynote. A few times.
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You people are ridiculous on so many levels. You have an issue with "oh no the face id thing failed! Ahhhh" then its confirmed that it didn't actually fail and you move onto the next thing you could conceivably be upset about "ohhh wow. So it didn't fail. BUT what if a bunch of random people are just staring at my locked phone??"

You people are just looking for reasons to be upset. Jesus Christ people. It's never ending. Dreaming up scenarios that most likely won't happen ala Touch ID "what if someone wants to rob you and cuts your finger off?!?!"

Just take a break and enjoy the current state of tech for a bit. We live in amazing times

Do you think the trolls converted? Just ignore the idiots, they'll always be around.

 

[joshuamj]

So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?

If this were Touch ID, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't think each one of my friends would be "touching the home button" of my phone with each of their fingers. (sounds dirty)

You would most likely already be looking at your phone before you show your friends anything on the lock screen....

 

[xitongzou]

You would most likely already be looking at your phone before you show your friends anything on the lock screen....

But what if you want to keep the lock screen and you don't want to necessarily unlock your phone? Do you get a choice with FaceID? Does it always unlock after you just look at it?

 

[jtrenda33]

Touch ID never ever fails ...

 

[PigsOnTheWing]

This is still an issue though. So FaceID constantly tries to scan people whenever they are handling your phone? What if I'm just showing my friend my phone and then it tries to scan his face - and locks out after only 2 times I can see FaceID locking people out very often then.

If your phone is already unlocked, Face ID is not going to be constantly scanning faces in the same way that Touch ID won't be continually asking for a finger print. Is this really that hard of a concept to grasp? I can't believe there are 19 pages filled with variations on this same question. And why are so many people trying to dream up goofy doomsday scenarios? "What if I'm trying to get my dog to stop humping the mailman at the same time I'm getting a text from Grandma?" Chill, people!

 

[macsrcool1234]

Please tell me you thought before you wrote this
If you retry too many times the face id is disabled at which point only passcode will work when you touch the screen to see what is going on .

Please tell me you read the post before writing your response. Well, clearly you didn't.

Literally the first few words phrase it as a question. And if that wasn't enough of a clue, there's a question mark at the end.

 

[rafark]

Still is an unacceptable mistake from a trillion dollar company. They should've been prepared for this situations. If the phone was likely to try to authenticate the staff, why didn't they prevent it by putting a $2 tape on the camera until Craig arrived. People who didn't anticipate this essential mistake deserve to be fired as it's their job to have everything flawlessly for the presentation.

 

[thirteen1031]

I believe the explanation, but why on earth couldn’t Craig just explain this on stage?

He should have explained it. But I imagine we've all had moments when we're trying to get something done, and we want to just keep moving rather than pause and "explain" a hiccup--even if that would be a good idea.

Putting it another way, it's easy to play armchair quarterback and say "this is what he should have done." I'm sure he'd agree. But if you'd been up on that stage, trying to keep the demonstration moving, you might not have thought to pause and explain either.

 

[tjleonard]

Yeah he could've explained what happened and reset the clock instead he went with "ho ho ho" like he was Santa
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You can have my preorder slot

I’m not sure he realized what happened. It obviously says no one did until the logs were reviewed.

The people handling the phone shouldn’t have messed with it - but the real answer would be to do a test unlock.

The thing is - people are going to see this as a failure and try to say how bad of a feature it is. These are the same people that will be preordering it, and the same people who rave how great it is to their friends. Personally- attempt 1 failed means the person that grabbed my phone didn’t know it was enabled. Trial 2 was them trying to fool me into unlocking it. It now needs a passcode. 2 is plenty.

 

[forerunnerg34]

I have a phone that I can take with a single hand, and without eve looking at it is already unlocked by the time I´m able to see the screen. The screen is a rectangle like the format of most of the media, when I open a photo I have no distractions, when I watch a video there is nothing distracting on one side, is symmetrical , balanced and harmonic. If somebody puts my phone on my face of course is not stupid enough to unlock by itself, I can even operate my phone without even looking at it. Is a good looking phone also, no bars around like painting tape, Is a great phone, for some reason it becomes slower on every software update, but is fine. It can be unlocked with multiples fingers because I have nephews that like to play games sometimes or listen to music, it is not a personal device, is phone. (your toothbrush is).









is an iPhones 5s

 

[rafark]

Great! Actually felt better after confirming this.

Now. It would be nice if we could turn of this "locking with 2 trials thing" all the way, and let that lock come only with several passcode trials.

Whats the problem with many trials of Face ID if it's not going to get unlocked anyway? Just let it fail to unlocked the device infinite times without locking it with passcode and that's it!

Or let us decide how many FaceID trials before locking it. But I actually can picture a lot of "more than 2 random faces at reach" scenarios that may occur and I would hate them to lock my device.

Summary: let it not be a device lock when any amount of FACE ID fails occur.

Impossible. The lock attempts aren't there just because. It's for security to prevent brute-force attempts.

 

[thadoggfather]

I’m not sure he realized what happened. It obviously says no one did until the logs were reviewed.

The people handling the phone shouldn’t have messed with it - but the real answer would be to do a test unlock.

The thing is - people are going to see this as a failure and try to say how bad of a feature it is. These are the same people that will be preordering it, and the same people who rave how great it is to their friends. Personally- attempt 1 failed means the person that grabbed my phone didn’t know it was enabled. Trial 2 was them trying to fool me into unlocking it. It now needs a passcode. 2 is plenty.

I mean honestly out of any of
The top dogs at Apple, Craig is still my favorite.

I'm just giving him flack bc ho ho ho is an easy thing to make jokes about. It didn't at all offend me haha

And I can't say I would necessarily react any better. But still.
So much for the wow factor of this new feature

 

[fischersd]

my understanding is that it is not taking images, but rather using infrared. if so, many sunglasses do not block IR. Would it be able to detect your eyes through those sunglasses? If not, sunny parts of the year will require shade removal.

Infra Red is how many insects see. I think they actually showed that at one point - what the heat signature of your face looks like. It's entirely possible that they've done the coding to allow sunglasses to work - but it seems that's a bit of an exposure, as it would allow a fairly large part of your face to be ignored.
They're saying 1 in a million in terms of differences in your face....I'd challenge that when people wear really big sunglasses.

 

[rafark]

All this reminds of "it doesn't even have a physical keyboard".

 

[hasanahmad]

Please tell me you read the post before writing your response. Well, clearly you didn't.

Literally the first few words phrase it as a question. And if that wasn't enough of a clue, there's a question mark at the end.

its not even a serious question unless you have never used an iPhone. your data is not wiped instantly it locks the use of touch id/ face id it only wipes data after repeated passcode use after that. you know this and if you don't have never used an iphone

 

[macsrcool1234]

its not even a serious question unless you have never used an iPhone. your data is not wiped instantly it locks the use of touch id/ face id it only wipes data after repeated passcode use after that. you know this and if you don't have never used an iphone

Yeah. That's probably why I asked....

 

[kdarling]

I can't believe there are 19 pages filled with variations on this same question.

While I totally agree that posting doomsday scenarios gets us nowhere...

People do understandably want to know exactly how it works in each situation.

Some might even decide a thousand dollar plus purchase based on the answers.

 

[pacalis]

No, the explanation is the one that Apple provided. Maybe you should take your amateur conspiracy theories to a more appropriate forum.

Not a conspiracy. Just obvious.

The whole point of one in a million people FaceID is to UNLOCK your phone.

You're describing a one in three LOCK technology.

 

[symphara]

While I totally agree that posting doomsday scenarios gets us nowhere...

People do understandably want to know exactly how it works in each situation.

Some might even decide a thousand dollar plus purchase based on the answers.

And two things are clear about it:

First, this is just less convenient than the fingerprint reader. Where you can unlock your phone with the fingerprint while holding it at any angle, wearing anything on your head, jumping, walking, laughing, talking, and not paying much attention to it at all, and it takes only a few milliseconds, this is clearly not the case with the face unlock, where the front camera has to be able to see you, and you have to stare at the phone.

Second, the process is not as simple and seamless. The very people who made it bungled it during the introduction. It doesn't matter if there was a detection failure or a use-case failure (Apple claims the latter and I'd give them the benefit of the doubt) but clearly this is much fussier process that's harder to explain and harder to live with.

Beyond the technical complexity of the solution meant to dazzle us, this is not an evolution, it's an involution.

 

[stockscalper]

Yeah, the device didn't, did work. Yeah it locked itself out to keep away burglars..murderers...Android. Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket.

 

[ani4ani]

Only if you lock the phone before you pass it to your friends.

And because FaceID works at numerous angles according to Apple, you don't even have to pass around. With it lying flat on a table locked, with a group of friends having a coffee I bet the phone is unintentionally trying to validate faces....each time the owner legitimately wants to use FaceID he will have enter his pin....really convenient?

The irony of this whole setup is, despite the supposedly massive uptick in security with FaceID, the system defaults back to probably the weakest security in smartphones, the 4 digit PIN after only two authentication attempts. Always makes me wonder the logic of this approach even with TouchID, as soon as you can't defeat the top security, it gives you another chance at the weakest?

 

[HRMaddie]

My fingerprint id only works about half the time (6+) and I'm supposed to trust facial id. I go days without fingerprint id not working then it will work for 2-3 days and then repeat the process.

 

[MH01]

it won't be a problem unless they swipe - that's only when the process triggers. Otherwise, it's just someone looking at the phone.

I thought the unlock happens before you swipe