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You're missing the point.

If Apple cares so much for privacy, then they would not have accepted the billions ($3 billion in 2017, $9 billion in 2018, and $12 billion in 2019) from Google to have Google as the default search engine on their devices. Apple should have set DuckDuckGo as the default.

If users want Google as their default, let them change it on their own.

Actions speak louder than words.
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Or the High Sierra bug that allowed full admin access without a password: https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/28/macos-high-sierra-bug-admin-access/
No, we understand just fine. Allowing Google as the default search engine because it is far and away the most popular search engine is not a move of anti-privacy or double speak by Apple. It’s a logical move by Apple. They do allow you to change your search engine. And the privacy bugs are bugs not part of normal Apple software.
 
Stop with nonsense, privacy is sold neither to Google nor NSA.


No one can access Apple’s iCloud servers without court orders. No one.

And there is option to change the search engine. It is basically first on the list of Safari settings. First thing, after Siri, which is first in all apps. Not hidden somewhere in obscurity.

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Yeah google is paying billions to apple just for fun and giggles...
Of course they run analytics on data from iPhones do you think google suddenly stops profiling you just because you use an iPhone? Would they pay billions for the privilege to not use your data? Come on...

And of course iCloud servers can be accessed without court order you do it all the time. You have to be more precise if you want to make a point here.
Besides your claim is false, a court order isn’t needed in PRISM or in China where they totally sold out you can be sure the government is monitoring and scoring almost real-time.

most data isn’t even encrypted at all, like your IMAP accounts it’s all clear text on their servers so even rouge backend engineers could potentially access it.

“Privacy is a basic human right” ... goes making multi billion dollar deals to sell out privacy
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No, we understand just fine. Allowing Google as the default search engine because it is far and away the most popular search engine is not a move of anti-privacy or double speak by Apple. It’s a logical move by Apple. They do allow you to change your search engine. And the privacy bugs are bugs not part of normal Apple software.

How is it logical to preach privacy and receive billions from google and Chinese totalitarian regime to take away privacy at the same time? Care to elaborate?
 
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That's pure B.S.

Apple does not control what info gets sent to Google.



B.S. How does Apple not expose their users? If you use any Google service, Google has data on you.

It's not like the iPhone connect to Google through a proxy or VPN

Sounds to me like someone should read Apples Security Whitepaper to get an idea of how Apple uses third party services and protects your identity in the process.
 
Yeah google is paying billions to apple just for fun and giggles...
Of course they run analytics on data from iPhones do you think google suddenly stops profiling you just because you use an iPhone? Would they pay billions for the privilege to not use your data? Come on...

Google doesn't pay Apple billions to "use your data". Google provides a service and want to be on as much phones as possible. And people DO use Google. Apple can't say "You can't use Google search". DuckDuckGo is great and I use it but it isn't better than Google in certain areas. Same with Maps.

Providing a service or a good is always a balance. A fine line you have to walk. At the end of the day, most data is leaked by users who use certain services and apps. Apple will probably do their best to control what they can control. And make money along the way. But Apple isn't selling any data to anyone. Users willingly choose to give their data to Google through search or youtube or using their official apps.
 
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Thats such a great ad...
This is the core advantage of Apple now, all other tech businesses rely on selling data where Apple rely on selling you expensive hardware. This is a big reason I use Apple.

People who are saying that other apps still track you, well don't use them.
Use Youtube via browser, search engine DDG, email ProtonMail, Browser:FireFox,Brave,DDG app, Signal for messaging...
great alternative options do exist.

but unfortunately the the App Store is rife with data miners, loggers, trackers, and "analytics"... and that's just the App Store.
Then you've got your cellular providers selling precise location data to the highest bidder regardless of what phone you use.
I think the time has come to realize that "privacy" using a smartphone is a sham and a lie. It doesn't exist. Apple's narrative is very very misleading to the point of being harmful.

You are saying either zero data is known about you or be completely exposed?
We might as well install video cameras in our toilets and live stream it on Facebook?

The idea is to limit exposure. Some data with your knowledge is ok, being completely exposed and recorded without you knowing it... not ok.

I would also like to take this opportunity to appreciate your registration date on this site.
 
Yeah google is paying billions to apple just for fun and giggles...
Of course they run analytics on data from iPhones do you think google suddenly stops profiling you just because you use an iPhone? Would they pay billions for the privilege to not use your data? Come on...

And of course iCloud servers can be accessed without court order you do it all the time. You have to be more precise if you want to make a point here.
Besides your claim is false, a court order isn’t needed in PRISM or in China where they totally sold out you can be sure the government is monitoring and scoring almost real-time.

most data isn’t even encrypted at all, like your IMAP accounts it’s all clear text on their servers so even rouge backend engineers could potentially access it.

“Privacy is a basic human right” ... goes making multi billion dollar deals to sell out privacy
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How is it logical to preach privacy and receive billions from google and Chinese totalitarian regime to take away privacy at the same time? Care to elaborate?

You do not have any evidence that outside of China, government agencies can access data on iCloud servers as they please.


The practice has shown that Apple sticks by what they say. No one can access the data without the proper authorization.


Since you are the one claiming that they can, the burden of proof is on you. So far you have shown nothing but empty talk.




As for Google, that is their business decision that doesn't make anything difference for me or anyone else. It is hypocritical, but it does not change things at all. As long as I can change the search engine. If the Apple starts forcing me to use Google only, then I will see it as a problem.
 
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Apple ads have improved recently. They were terrible for a time there; most notably the “What’s a computer?” iPad ad.
 
This is a strong suit for Apple, is privacy. They need to market what they value, it’s not just about the hardware, it’s about valuing the consumers security in today’s digital era of cyber crime. No other smart manufacturer values the consumers privacy and security the way Apple does, period. It’s one of the core reasons why I choose to support Apple.
Suport them all right. The only thing you have to do is give them money. I mean lots of them. Like for example 999$ for a 64 gig phone. You are a good folk right there
 
Tim Cook's lip service doesn't work on smart consumers.

If he's truly a privacy saint he would make it opt-in and let you choose the search engine upon first launching Safari with an annual reminder to revisit the setting. And, announce Apple will stop taking kickback money to force Google search as default.

Until then it's all talk and no walk.
 
You become an advertiser and pay Google for what data they’ve collected of its users to help reach people who might be interested in your products.

I do advertise through Google. I really don't see any way to buy user data that Google has collected though.
 
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And, announce Apple will stop taking kickback money to force Google search as default.

There is a default search engine in any browser, and in Safari it is Google. There is also a few more listed for the consumer to choose from.

If Apple was forcing the use of Google, there would be no other choices - like the absence of Small Form factor (4" screen) makes us chose the phablets as an iPhone. There is list of search engines in the settings - a total of four in Safari.

Google wants to be the first in line, and pays Apple for the privilege to come installed. End.

If Bing wants to be the default engine and pays Apple another dollar more than Google in asking for the benefit, that is the fee it will pay.

Why is this so difficult?

BTW, Google's search engine is popular in the real world (i.e., outside Apple's kingdom) by being very good at its job and people chose it when it is not the default.

Chrome and Google's devices come with Google as the search engine - nobody is screaming murder about that choice being made for them.
 
Tim Cook's lip service doesn't work on smart consumers.

If he's truly a privacy saint he would make it opt-in and let you choose the search engine upon first launching Safari with an annual reminder to revisit the setting. And, announce Apple will stop taking kickback money to force Google search as default.

Until then it's all talk and no walk.
You forget we're basically dealing with a duopoly on mobile devices. Apple is trying to win over users on a platform developed, controlled and monitored by Google.

And just like any other modern OS, if you're truly concerned about your privacy on iOS there are always certain precautions you should take. One of them is changing the default search engine, which isn't hard to do.
 
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This is a strong suit for Apple, is privacy. They need to market what they value, it’s not just about the hardware, it’s about valuing the consumers security in today’s digital era of cyber crime. No other smart manufacturer values the consumers privacy and security the way Apple does, period. It’s one of the core reasons why I choose to support Apple.

Well stated. And this is exactly why I continue to use Apple's products.
 
Ahhh, yes, your data is private unless you’re using an app that records the screen (without telling you) and sends the video to the app developer. How have they not addressed that by now?! Or have they and I just missed it?
 
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Nice ad. Although Apple doesn’t extend that philosophy to easy privacy on photos and documents the way other phone makers like Samsung do. It would be nice for a system wide ability to move things away from prying eyes that you might pass your phone off to for a bit, say releatives around a dinner table for instance. Even a spouse that you might be trying to get a certain present for and don’t want them to see a picture of the item.

Yes they do. Tap in lower left corner (export button) and select hide. Done.
 
Tim Cook's lip service doesn't work on smart consumers.

If he's truly a privacy saint he would make it opt-in and let you choose the search engine upon first launching Safari with an annual reminder to revisit the setting. And, announce Apple will stop taking kickback money to force Google search as default.

Until then it's all talk and no walk.
What smart consumers are that? The ones that didn’t contribute to last quarters $84 B?
 
I do advertise through Google. I really don't see any way to buy user data that Google has collected though.

Are you being disingenuous or do you not really understand that when you select to advertise to a demographic with dozens of variables to hone in on a specific user, that you’re buying the product of users’ data that Google collects?
 
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