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but unfortunately the the App Store is rife with data miners, loggers, trackers, and "analytics"... and that's just the App Store.
Then you've got your cellular providers selling precise location data to the highest bidder regardless of what phone you use.
I think the time has come to realize that "privacy" using a smartphone is a sham and a lie. It doesn't exist. Apple's narrative is very very misleading to the point of being harmful.
I've been saying this forever! I don't know what's up with this false sense of privacy but your data is just as vulnerable no matter what platform you use.
 
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Decent ad. All they need to do now is get their OS and services to play along.

Group Facetime bug, iCloud hacks, password-less root, etc, etc, etc...
 
Then they should fire every Google and FaceBook App in their "store".

It's your choice whether to use those apps.
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Decent ad. All they need to do now is get their OS and services to play along.

Group Facetime bug, iCloud hacks, password-less root, etc, etc, etc...

Last I heard those were all solved. You may want to incorporate checking current events into your daily habits to avoid embarrassing situations such as this one.
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These ads don't work because it reminds people of iCloud celebrity nude pictures leak, Facetime eavesdropping, moving private user data to Chinese government servers, etc.

I didn't think of any of those things watching this add. The only thing that came to mind is government overreach, and how glad I am I don't own an Android phone.
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Except Google doesn’t get any identifying information about me. Only generic search requests.

Actually, they don’t even get that since I long ago set Duck Duck Go as my default.

Happy to hear you've obtained personal assurances from Google on that. But despite those assurances, odds are they keep pretty good track of what you've been up to.
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Privacy matters to Apple.
That's why they're in the federal PRISM program.


wait...

Apple doesn't have a choice whether to comply with the law, and not sure what PRISM has to do with privacy of people who aren't suspected of terrorism.
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Except for china where icloud is hosted in China.

This ad runs in America. There's a Chinese version.
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Oh the irony that the Ad is on Youtube.

How is that ironic? Apple wants the ad to be public, so what better way than the platform that makes money making your life public.
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'Privacy Matters'... Because we make our billions from hardware and services.

If that ever changes...


Again, relevance is missing here. But plenty of straw grasping.
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"what happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone"*

*as long as you don't use iCloud backup...

Apple needs to encrypt everything with on device keys (and not hold the keys). They are doing fine, but need to do better.

if iCloud backups were encrypted most of the iCloud services you use would become unusable.
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Classic Tim Cook/Apple doublespeak.

Until you stop demanding billions from Google there Timmy your supposed “Stance on Privacy” is nothing more than hot air and ********

If only there was a way to change the search engine in MacOS and iOS. Hmmm.......
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Privacy?! Lol. Facetime bug...remember that?

Yes I remember all 5 people who were affected by the bug. But I don't remember the part where Apple intentionally revealed personal information of those 5 people, which is what it would take for your comment to have any logical bearing on the point of the ad.
 
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It's your choice whether to use those apps.
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Last I heard those were all solved. You may want to incorporate checking current events into your daily habits to avoid embarrassing situations such as this one.
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I didn't think of any of those things watching this add. The only thing that came to mind is government overreach, and how glad I am I don't own an Android phone.
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Happy to hear you've obtained personal assurances from Google on that. But despite those assurances, odds are they keep pretty good track of what you've been up to.
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Apple doesn't have a choice whether to comply with the law, and not sure what PRISM has to do with privacy of people who aren't suspected of terrorism.
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This ad runs in America. There's a Chinese version.
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How is that ironic? Apple wants the ad to be public, so what better way than the platform that makes money making your life public.
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Again, relevance is missing here. But plenty of straw grasping.
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if iCloud backups were encrypted most of the iCloud services you use would become unusable.
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If only there was a way to change the search engine in MacOS and iOS. Hmmm.......
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Yes I remember all 5 people who were affected by the bug. But I don't remember the part where Apple intentionally revealed personal information of those 5 people, which is what it would take for your comment to have any logical bearing on the point of the ad.
care to explain this as well? whats point of taking all kinds of measures, but finally you are storing it somewhere, where privacy means nothing..

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/...-user-data-state-run-telecom-privacy-security
 
It's your choice whether to use those apps.
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Last I heard those were all solved. You may want to incorporate checking current events into your daily habits to avoid embarrassing situations such as this one.
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I didn't think of any of those things watching this add. The only thing that came to mind is government overreach, and how glad I am I don't own an Android phone.
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Happy to hear you've obtained personal assurances from Google on that. But despite those assurances, odds are they keep pretty good track of what you've been up to.
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Apple doesn't have a choice whether to comply with the law, and not sure what PRISM has to do with privacy of people who aren't suspected of terrorism.
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This ad runs in America. There's a Chinese version.
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How is that ironic? Apple wants the ad to be public, so what better way than the platform that makes money making your life public.
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Again, relevance is missing here. But plenty of straw grasping.
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if iCloud backups were encrypted most of the iCloud services you use would become unusable.
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If only there was a way to change the search engine in MacOS and iOS. Hmmm.......
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Yes I remember all 5 people who were affected by the bug. But I don't remember the part where Apple intentionally revealed personal information of those 5 people, which is what it would take for your comment to have any logical bearing on the point of the ad.
Intentionally or not. They didn't respond at appropriate time given. You know the news. I ain't gonna explain it. 5 people? that's a bold statement.
 
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This is a strong suit for Apple, is privacy. They need to market what they value, it’s not just about the hardware, it’s about valuing the consumers security in today’s digital era of cyber crime. No other smart manufacturer values the consumers privacy and security the way Apple does, period. It’s one of the core reasons why I choose to support Apple.

Apple is marketing “privacy” as an excuse for having inferior AI.

Siri was mind blowing for most people when it came out. Then Google launched the Google Assistant and leap frogged Apple.

That’s when Apple started talking about privacy. Basically equating cloud based data processing to being “anti-privacy”.

As Apple moves more into services, this stance might hurt them. It’s great that you can have Apple Music on an Amazon Echo or Android phone, but Apple has been busy telling people that Amazon and Google are evil data miners, so what does that mean for Apple services on an Amazon or Android device?
 
Last I heard those were all solved. You may want to incorporate checking current events into your daily habits to avoid embarrassing situations such as this one.

Now, now. No need to get defensive and take it personally.

Just because they happened in the past doesn't mean they're no longer applicable. Apple has had a string of privacy bugs in the last few years. There's no reason they should get a pass on them and there's no reason we should forget about them. Especially since Apple took their sweet time admitting to all of them.
 
Apple is marketing “privacy” as an excuse for having inferior AI.

Siri was mind blowing for most people when it came out. Then Google launched the Google Assistant and leap frogged Apple.

That’s when Apple started talking about privacy. Basically equating cloud based data processing to being “anti-privacy”.

As Apple moves more into services, this stance might hurt them. It’s great that you can have Apple Music on an Amazon Echo or Android phone, but Apple has been busy telling people that Amazon and Google are evil data miners, so what does that mean for Apple services on an Amazon or Android device?
100% wrong. Apple actually says the exact opposite, that protecting your privacy doesn’t compromise Siri.
“Critics say Apple is depriving the AI that powers Siri of the personal information it needs to be an effective assistant. Apple execs say that’s a false narrative.”

https://www.fastcompany.com/4044305...g-siri-smart-without-endangering-user-privacy
 
It's your choice whether to use those apps.

I agree, yet contest - the point is not about my choice. I already don't use either of those Apps.

The push is for Apple to kick these Apps out - like I did. Stand by its preaching.
 
Well good thing you can change your default search engine.

Apple doesn’t mandate you install Facebook or use Google. AFAIK, they are the only one who allows the use of DuckDuckGo as a default search engine.

You're missing the point.

If Apple cares so much for privacy, then they would not have accepted the billions ($3 billion in 2017, $9 billion in 2018, and $12 billion in 2019) from Google to have Google as the default search engine on their devices. Apple should have set DuckDuckGo as the default.

If users want Google as their default, let them change it on their own.

Actions speak louder than words.
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Privacy?! Lol. Facetime bug...remember that?

Or the High Sierra bug that allowed full admin access without a password: https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/28/macos-high-sierra-bug-admin-access/
 
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Privacy?! Lol. Facetime bug...remember that?

A wet-patch slip vs a bat to the knee cap! Not at all the same thing.

How many people made money or lost data from this FaceTime glitch - terrible as it was?

FaceBook rigged a country against itself - the repercussions are on for another 21 months at least.
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If Apple cares so much for privacy, then they would not have accepted the billions ($3 billion in 2017, $9 billion in 2018, and $12 billion in 2019) from Google to have Google as the default search engine on their devices. Apple should have set DuckDuckGo as the default.

If users want Google as their default, let them change it on their own.

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Or the High Sierra bug that allowed full admin access without a password: https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/28/macos-high-sierra-bug-admin-access/

Apple is a business, and a sworn enemy of Google - yet they make money of each other as businesses should. Ask Steve about that hatred.

Apple takes Google's money and still allows you to keep them out, the opposite of that specific contract.

More importantly, Apple doesn't prevent you from choosing an alternate search engine.

"High Sierra bug" - Please do differentiate a bug that every software ever written has, even after the Beta phase, from a deliberate act of hurt.
 
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100% wrong. Apple actually says the exact opposite, that protecting your privacy doesn’t compromise Siri.


https://www.fastcompany.com/4044305...g-siri-smart-without-endangering-user-privacy

Of course Apple says the exact opposite, but as that story you linked to says, there’s a feeling in Silicon Valley that Apples privacy stance is holding Siri back.

I’m that article, Greg Joswiak of Apple says that they don’t “sell your data to the highest bidders,” which is the real false narrative. Google doesn’t sell your data, they sell your eye balls. I can’t pay Google to get all of your personal data, but I can pay them to show ads to everyone who frequents Apple forums and owns an iPhone. I don’t know who you are, but I paid to make sure people like you see what I’m selling.
 
Genuinely curious, can you name any other smart for manufacturer that extends to the lengths that Apple does to advocate privacy and security to protect the consumer?

If Apple's going to make the claim that they care about user privacy then they need to be seriously committed to it, not half arsing it by accept billions from Google.
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How does Apple’s deal with Google for default search engine affect your privacy? Is Apple handing over your data to Google?

If you don’t want to use Google, feel free to change it: Settings/Safari/Search Engine. Then you can Bing it instead.

By accepting billions from Google to have Google as the default search engine, Apple is helping to enable Google to gather data on us. Your average user isn't aware of Google's business model (making money off user data).

Yes, you can change it to something else. But how many people actually bother to change their default search engine? I'm going to say it's not very many. That's why Google pays those billions to Apple. Google knows it will pay off.
 
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Of course Apple says the exact opposite, but as that story you linked to says, there’s a feeling in Silicon Valley that Apples privacy stance is holding Siri back.

I’m that article, Greg Joswiak of Apple says that they don’t “sell your data to the highest bidders,” which is the real false narrative. Google doesn’t sell your data, they sell your eye balls. I can’t pay Google to get all of your personal data, but I can pay them to show ads to everyone who frequents Apple forums and owns an iPhone. I don’t know who you are, but I paid to make sure people like you see what I’m selling.
I hear what you’re saying, but they still have that data, store it and exploit it. True, Google doesn’t sell my name/address/phone number. But they do compile a dossier on me, whether I’m logged in or not (through browser fingerprinting) and use that data—my personal data, about me—to sell ads to the highest bidder. But sure, I’m glad only they have the data, and don’t disclose it or my identifying information to their advertisers. God help us all if their dossier database is ever compromised.
 
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Happy to hear you've obtained personal assurances from Google on that. But despite those assurances, odds are they keep pretty good track of what you've been up to.

Don't need any assurances from Google. Apple is the one who's in control of what data gets sent to Google, not Google.


if iCloud backups were encrypted most of the iCloud services you use would become unusable.

That's not true. You would just need a second password on top of your AppleID for the encryption, and enter it into any device you use. The drawback would be if you ever forgot that password then your data is gone - Apple would never be able to recover it.
 
1) “Taking kickbacks” is a mis-characterization and you know it.

Ok so then what do you call a multi-BILLION dollar payout to Apple to be the default search engine on Safari? A Christmas gift?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kickback_(bribery)

A kickback is a form of negotiated bribery in which a commission is paid to the bribe-taker in exchange for services rendered

2) “Regularly demonize”? Is that accurate? Saying Apple values privacy while others clearly employ a lack of privacy as an essential element of their business model isn’t “demonizing” conduct is it? Or maybe you’re referring to something else?

Have you not been paying attention to Tim Cook’s platitudes? He calls out Google and Facebook near weekly for privacy (you are the product) but is more than happy to take their money.

http://time.com/5433499/tim-cook-apple-data-privacy/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...om-google-despite-privacy-concerns/ar-BBPR5Um

https://www.dailyherald.com/busines...r-data-for-better-services-is-a-bunch-of-bunk

This one is particularly laughable: https://www.cultofmac.com/324709/tim-cook-morality-demands-security-with-privacy/

Timmy has ZERO integrity.
 
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Ok so then what do you call a multi-BILLION dollar payout to Apple to be the default search engine on Safari? A Christmas gift?

Have you not been paying attention to Tim Cook’s platitudes? He calls out Google and Facebook near weekly for privacy (you are the product) but is more than happy to take their money.

Timmy has ZERO integrity.

Let's say I consider independent gas stations to be a risky place to use my credit card because of the high incidence of card skimming/fraud. But there's a super convenient station on my daily commute. So I fill up my car there, but I pay with cash instead of my credit card. They could be crooked, but it doesn't matter to me because I've eliminated the risk.

That's what Apple is doing. They know people like to use Google for search and they know Google isn't the best when it comes to privacy. So Apple allows people to use Google for search, but protects the user by controlling the information that gets sent to Google to retain my privacy.

The only difference here is that Apple is raking in billions without exposing their users. I'd call that a very smart business decision.
 
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