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Ok so then what do you call a multi-BILLION dollar payout to Apple to be the default search engine on Safari? A Christmas gift?

Fees.

Apple develops a browser and gets bids for search engines - overtly or otherwise. Google paid the most - so the default search engine.

Even so, the user can disable this - Google is betting that the average user is not going to change this setting. Looks like it is correct.

It doesn't matter to us if they paid $1.00 or $20 billion - unless we are happy about it as stock holders.
 
It’s true. Privacy matters a great deal more than any industrial design, ui, or user experience. And Apple is prepared to make your wallet hemorrhage for the pleasure.
 
That's what Apple is doing. They know people like to use Google for search and they know Google isn't the best when it comes to privacy. So Apple allows people to use Google for search, but protects the user by controlling the information that gets sent to Google to retain my privacy.

ROFL

That's pure B.S.

Apple does not control what info gets sent to Google.

The only difference here is that Apple is raking in billions without exposing their users. I'd call that a very smart business decision.

B.S. How does Apple not expose their users? If you use any Google service, Google has data on you.

It's not like the iPhone connect to Google through a proxy or VPN
 
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Ok so then what do you call a multi-BILLION dollar payout to Apple to be the default search engine on Safari? A Christmas gift?
I call it a legal, above-board business contract. It’s not an illegal, under the table bribe. See the difference? Words have meaning. Don’t deliberately distort the facts in an attempt to bolster your argument.

Here’s how it works: Apple is charging a fee to someone (Google, the highest bidder) who wants access to potential customers who have a target demographic that’s likely to be profitable. In other words, the same, exact business arrangement google has with their own advertising customers.


Have you not been paying attention to Tim Cook’s platitudes? He calls out Google and Facebook near weekly for privacy (you are the product) but is more than happy to take their money.

Timmy has ZERO integrity.
Oh I’ve been paying attention. “He calls out Google and Facebook near weekly”? You know that’s not true. You mean maybe a dozen times in the last 10 years?

Don’t try to pass off “alternative facts” in an attempt to bolster your argument. There’s zero integrity on display here, and it’s not coming from Mr. Cook.
 
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This is brilliant. It’s a brilliant ad and a brilliant strategy.

It’s a funny ad that everyone can relate to and it positions Apple as the only viable solution on a topic where Google can never compete on because Google’s entire business model is about selling your data — it’s antithetical to privacy.

Except when Apple buys that data. Privacy is a profitable word now, Facebook is proposing to pivot and implement it, Android Q is going to try and apply it at an OS level similar to iOS. In reality it doesn't really mean anything to the average user on Facebook/Instagram and has an Amazon/Google account. If you try to go properly 'private' it breaks a lot of Apps and websites don't function properly. It is a cute advert, I'll agree with you there.
 
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If Apple is so concerned about privacy, WHY can't you reply to a FaceTime call in AUDIO ONLY mode?

I've requested this for YEARS on Apple's website. Maybe you're not dressed or in the bathroom or having a bad hair day. SO SIMPLE to implement this. Sometimes I get a FaceTime call and I WANT to talk to the person, but I don't want them to see me.

Your enhancement request has nothing to do with privacy, but convenience. In you case, you simply need to ignore the call, then call back with FaceTime Audio.
 
Ok so then what do you call a multi-BILLION dollar payout to Apple to be the default search engine on Safari? A Christmas gift?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kickback_(bribery)

A kickback is a form of negotiated bribery in which a commission is paid to the bribe-taker in exchange for services rendered



Have you not been paying attention to Tim Cook’s platitudes? He calls out Google and Facebook near weekly for privacy (you are the product) but is more than happy to take their money.

http://time.com/5433499/tim-cook-apple-data-privacy/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...om-google-despite-privacy-concerns/ar-BBPR5Um

https://www.dailyherald.com/busines...r-data-for-better-services-is-a-bunch-of-bunk

This one is particularly laughable: https://www.cultofmac.com/324709/tim-cook-morality-demands-security-with-privacy/

Timmy has ZERO integrity.
This post has more spin than a top.:rolleyes:
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Your enhancement request has nothing to do with privacy, but convenience. In you case, you simply need to ignore the call, then call back with FaceTime Audio.
Already answered here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...us-new-iphone-ad.2173396/page-2#post-27181783
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ROFL

That's pure B.S.

Apple does not control what info gets sent to Google.



B.S. How does Apple not expose their users? If you use any Google service, Google has data on you.

It's not like the iPhone connect to Google through a proxy or VPN
Exactly what PII that Apple has collected on you is being passed to google? About the only thing I can think of is the google cookie, which YOU already created by the act of signing into google.
 
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Fees.

Apple develops a browser and gets bids for search engines - overtly or otherwise. Google paid the most - so the default search engine.
Call it whatever you wish, but a kickback is a kickback.

Even so, the user can disable this....
Completely irrelevant to the subject at hand.


It doesn't matter to us if they paid $1.00 or $20 billion - unless we are happy about it as stock holders.
Perhaps but if Cook is going see fit to lecture me and others on privacy don't sit there and happily take a bribe from a company you demonize for supposed privacy issues. It's called integrity, something of which Cook is severely lacking in.
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I call it a legal, above-board business contract. It’s not an illegal, under the table bribe. See the difference? Words have meaning. Don’t deliberately distort the facts in an attempt to bolster your argument.

Here’s how it works: Apple is charging a fee to someone (Google, the highest bidder) who wants access to potential customers who have a target demographic that’s likely to be profitable. In other words, the same, exact business arrangement google has with their own advertising customers.



Oh I’ve been paying attention. “He calls out Google and Facebook near weekly”? You know that’s not true. You mean maybe a dozen times in the last 10 years?

Don’t try to pass off “alternative facts” in an attempt to bolster your argument. There’s zero integrity on display here, and it’s not coming from Mr. Cook.
I never said it was illegal. I said he's lacking in integrity and if you can't see that (willingly or unwillingly) that's on you.
 
Great ad! Yes, the ad is obviously lost on anyone who can’t differentiate how Apple manages your data and how google manages your data. If you don’t like google’s use of your data, ummmmm- here’s a crazy idea; Blame google. You have options.
 
Perhaps but if Cook is going see fit to lecture me and others on privacy don't sit there and happily take a bribe from a company you demonize for supposed privacy issues. It's called integrity, something of which Cook is severely lacking in.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, it is not a bribe since it is a legal business transaction. To call a legal business deal a bribe is incorrect. If you did not know this when you accused Apple/Cook of a crime, that is understandable.

See below.

I never said it was illegal. I said he's lacking in integrity and if you can't see that (willingly or unwillingly) that's on you.
When you accuse someone of taking a bribe, you are accusing them of an illegal act (under US law).

Perhaps there is a language barrier re: how we use the word “bribe” here in the US, or a difference in what is legal in our respective countries. In the US, bribes and kickbacks associated with a business deal are illegal.

Google paying Apple to be the default search provider is no more a bribe than giving a cashier 3 dollars to buy a loaf of bread. You didn’t bribe the cashier to give you the loaf of bread; you wanted something of value and you agreed to pay the asking price. A simple business transaction. Quite legal of course. We never use the word “bribe” here in the US to describe a legal business transaction.

But if you gave the cashier 1 dollar to put in his own pocket, so that he would let you walk out of the store without paying the correct $3 for the loaf of bread at the checkout, then that $1 would be a bribe. Here in the US it is a crime both to give (or even offer) a bribe and to accept a bribe. People go to prison for it.
 
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This is brilliant. It’s a brilliant ad and a brilliant strategy.

It’s a funny ad that everyone can relate to and it positions Apple as the only viable solution on a topic where Google can never compete on because Google’s entire business model is about selling your data — it’s antithetical to privacy.

When handled lazily and sloppily, with very little regard for the user, then yes I would agree. However, data collection and advertising DOESN’T HAVE TO be invasive and antithetical to privacy. Apple has proven this. They collect user data as well. But its fairly transparent, and user data is handled with a dab of respect that is completely absent from Apples competitors.

If Google and Facebook cared enough about the topic, they would put in real effort and create a respectable solution. The problem is, they simply don’t care enough about it to make it an area of focus. Apple doesn’t just arrive at solutions such as differential privacy or the Secure Enclave without serious focus and hard work. They’ve pioneered this area, and Google still can’t even walk down the path that’s already begun to be paved by Apple.
 
If Apple is so concerned about privacy, WHY can't you reply to a FaceTime call in AUDIO ONLY mode?

I've requested this for YEARS on Apple's website. Maybe you're not dressed or in the bathroom or having a bad hair day. SO SIMPLE to implement this. Sometimes I get a FaceTime call and I WANT to talk to the person, but I don't want them to see me.
You're upset FACEtime is showing your face. If only there was a way to use audio only to call someone, with a phone...
I swear you people give me headaches.
 
but unfortunately the the App Store is rife with data miners, loggers, trackers, and "analytics"... and that's just the App Store.
Then you've got your cellular providers selling precise location data to the highest bidder regardless of what phone you use.
I think the time has come to realize that "privacy" using a smartphone is a sham and a lie. It doesn't exist. Apple's narrative is very very misleading to the point of being harmful.

Then you got apple, selling out to Chinese totalitarian government handing over iCloud infrastructure ( and keys for what it matters cause E-Mails and most data on iCloud is not end to end encrypted) or not encrypted at all.

Feel like a broken record but it’s the truth
 
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I love this. It sums up perfectly what privacy is and why people do want it. That scene in the restaurant left the most impression on me, people do not want waitress to hear what they are talking about, but they will say and write the same on their phones, where so many privacy invaders. This is because people are uninformed, and they do not know what is happening behind the scenes.

And I love that Apple is upping up their privacy game!

I can’t wait for iOS 13 and macOS, to see what kind of new privacy measures are they gonna introduce. I already see many crying “foul” just like they did before.


As long as you focus on privacy, Apple, you will have me as a customer forever. Competition can do whatever they want with they foldable surveillance devices and other gimmicks. I don’t care.
 
Then you got apple, selling out to Chinese totalitarian government handing over iCloud infrastructure ( and keys for what it matters cause E-Mails and most data on iCloud is not end to end encrypted) or not encrypted at all.

Feel like a broken record but it’s the truth
You and I may not approve of the Chinese laws and regulations (and Apple may not either) but we don’t get to pick and choose which laws Apple must follow and which they can ignore.

I guess you could argue that Apple should pull out of China rather than follow the law there, but playing devil’s advocate, is it really up to Apple to decide what’s best for China? It seems like they’re a sovereign nation with the right to make their own laws, but maybe Apple knows best and should be able to tell them how to run their country. Then if China won’t do what Apple wants them to, Apple could just “take their ball and go home”.
 
I love this. It sums up perfectly what privacy is and why people do want it. That scene in the restaurant left the most impression on me, people do not want waitress to hear what they are talking about, but they will say and write the same on their phones, where so many privacy invaders. This is because people are uninformed, and they do not know what is happening behind the scenes.

And I love that Apple is upping up their privacy game!

I can’t wait for iOS 13 and macOS, to see what kind of new privacy measures are they gonna introduce. I already see many crying “foul” just like they did before.


As long as you focus on privacy, Apple, you will have me as a customer forever. Competition can do whatever they want with they foldable surveillance devices and other gimmicks. I don’t care.


I don’t care if the waitress hears what I am talking about most of the times. I am much more concerned of privacy invasion by state actors and censorship.

apple is actively supporting communist China with implementation of total surveillance and as has been leaked is involved in PRISM mass surveillance.

Meanwhile they censor people from the AppStore and podcasts who criticize exactly this...
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You and I may not approve of the Chinese laws and regulations (and Apple may not either) but we don’t get to pick and choose which laws Apple must follow and which they can ignore.

I guess you could argue that Apple should pull out of China rather than follow the law there, but playing devil’s advocate, is it really up to Apple to decide what’s best for China? It seems like they’re a sovereign nation with the right to make their own laws, but maybe Apple knows best and should be able to tell them how to run their country. Then if China won’t do what Apple wants them to, Apple could just “take their ball and go home”.

Look apple can do business with North Korea if the like, just tell Timmy to stop giving speeches about how privacy is a basic human right. It is insulting.
 
I don’t care if the waitress hears what I am talking about most of the times. I am much more concerned of privacy invasion by state actors and censorship.

apple is actively supporting communist China with implementation of total surveillance and as has been leaked is involved in PRISM mass surveillance.

Meanwhile they censor people from the AppStore and podcasts who criticize exactly this...
I know what happens in China, and I know it is because Apple needs to obey Chinese laws.


I am not Chinese citizen, therefore it does not affect me.

PRISM is joke compared to what Google does. Also, 98 percent of PRISM production is based on Yahoo, Google, and Microsoft.


Apple is useless to PRISM. PRISM needs data, which Apple cannot provide.
 
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I know what happens in China, and I know it is because Apple needs to obey Chinese laws.


I am not Chinese citizen, therefore it does not affect me.

PRISM is joke compared to what Google does. Also, 98 percent of PRISM production is based on Yahoo, Google, and Microsoft.


Apple is useless to PRISM. PRISM needs data, which Apple cannot provide.

Any way they preach about privacy and how it should be a “basic human right” in marketing presentations, and their business decisions go in opposite direction where privacy is sold to highest bidder (China, nsa, google search)
 
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Any way they preach about privacy and how it should be a “basic human right” in marketing presentations, and their business decisions go in opposite direction where privacy is sold to highest bidder (China, nsa, google search)
Stop with nonsense, privacy is sold neither to Google nor NSA.


No one can access Apple’s iCloud servers without court orders. No one.

And there is option to change the search engine. It is basically first on the list of Safari settings. First thing, after Siri, which is first in all apps. Not hidden somewhere in obscurity.

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