Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.6.3 Build 10D538 to Developers

[beyond]

Snow Leopard is the first time I have regretted owning a Mac.

The system slows down to a crawl, requiring reboots for every few hours of use. Tiger and Leopard would run for months without a reboot. I have spent hours online researching tweaks and fixes, with very little improvement in performance or stability. If I wanted to fight my computer instead of use it, I would have stayed with a PC.

Ironic that Windows is now MORE stable than OS X.

Some people here don't seem to have any problems with SL. You are lucky. This forum and every other forum online demonstrates widespread continuing problems with SL.

Maybe some of you have got hardware problems. My buddy just had to swap the harddrive in his imac due to spinning beachballs and errors like stalling when launching apps (safari and ichat would take forever to launch). The apple hardware test found an HDD error, and like I was saying - everything is back to rock solid after the swap.

 

[Winni]

I wish Apple would just pony up and pay for DirectX to be ported to the Mac, with mainstream games produced for OS X, and without the major performance drop all Mac ports see, Peecee fanboys would finally lose the last card in their deck.

No, they wouldn't, because they're still not locked into the tiny choice of Apple hardware but can still choose from almost unlimited varieties and product offerings.

THIS is what makes the PC platform so powerful: CHOICE. And choice is the one thing that Apple definitely does not want to give their customers.

 

[SimonTheSoundMa]

I wish Apple would just pony up and pay for DirectX to be ported to the Mac, with mainstream games produced for OS X, and without the major performance drop all Mac ports see, Peecee fanboys would finally lose the last card in their deck.

It's not OpenGL that's the problem, it's Apple's poor drivers. OpenGL is a good standard and some games on Windows perform just as well, if not better than Direct3D, and you should be comparing it to Direct3D, not DirectX.

 

[spillproof]

I hope it fixes my only problem with 10.6.1&2 - when you plug in headphones the volume automatically resets to 50%.

Other than that, I'm runnin' great on .2

 

[Vmaatta]

I keep a can of Raid next to mine its so buggy. Just today I had to hold the power button down to restart - that hang was that bad. The dock goes bye-bye every week or so. BeachBall everywhere. This is a poor OS.

I'm using a 17 inch Uniboidy MacBook Pro, so its not as if I'm using a PowerPC based MacMini.

Here’s the thing.. if it were that the OS was that buggy, we would all be having those problems. As it stands, most people don’t. The OS simply is not that buggy. The problems are caused by hardware / 3rd party software / something other along those lines.

Windows 7 > Snow Leoperd, deny it all you want it doesn't change the fact it's true. Windows 7 just works.

My SL is much more stable than my Win7 at work. So, one man’s experience does not equal fact.

Firstly, I should have said 500 MB of swap, not GBs.

Thinking about it tonight I've realized the problem PDFs areprobably exclusively of scans on my Epson multiple-printer, taken via the epson software utility. Mostly of sheet music.

I should try using another program for the scanning, or another printer/scanner.

I hope that's it, because I'll sometimes get 2 minutes of beachball and 100,000 page outs just opening one of the files in question.

I’m using Samsung CLX-2160 and Image Capture is working fine for me. And then using Combine PDFs is also working nicely.

 

[iBug2]

It's not OpenGL that's the problem, it's Apple's poor drivers. OpenGL is a good standard and some games on Windows perform just as well, if not better than Direct3D, and you should be comparing it to Direct3D, not DirectX.

Apple's poor drivers are written completely by Nvidia and ATI. So it's their poor drivers for Apple.

 

[miknos]

Some interesting article about why you should use OpenGL instead of DirectX.
http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX

 

[Shintocam]

WTF dude, even 2 weeks is not acceptable. My laptop can stay on 6 months straight without any reboot.

You might have a hardware issue and not related to the OS. There's no frigging veriable either in the OS for crashing it. Jesus christ, just take it to an Apple store and have them run hardware tests on it.

My install of SL on my 17" MBP (2.4 SR) has been very buggy. Locks up about once a week (at least) making me have to restart it (forced restart at that). Apps quit frequently as well. I've had it to Apple - they've run hardware tests, tell me everything is working fine. They cannot figure it out. Had my GPU go and had the logic board replaced. Still have problems. My upgrade to SL has been anything but smooth. I've decided to keep my iMac at home on Leopard due to all my SL problems and my iMac definately runs smoother and with much fewer issues than my MBP.

So - in my case even the "Geniuses" think it is S/W not H/W.

 

[Shintocam]

Awww - where's your sense of adventure?

totally kidding, tho - btw. The rumors have gotten a bit over-the-top. But then again, there's not been a whole lot else to cover Apple-wise of late

I totally agree. My fear is that in the same way that after the iPhone came out and the Mac line seemed to take a major back seat - that the same thing will happen when/if the iSlab comes out.

Glad to see a new build of SL - in my opinion and experience it was not really ready for release - not to mention how many of my applications that it seemed to render useless (that were said to be compatible). So any new news that helps the MAC users (rather than the iPhone users) is much appreciated.

 

[German]

Some interesting article about why you should use OpenGL instead of DirectX.
http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX

This Article is a Joke.

OpenGL is more powerful than DirectX

No it's not.

ATI-OpenGL-Tesselation-Extension has nothing to do with what you have with D3D11. And till you have the Extension in OpenGL, it will probably take time.

OpenGL 3.2 ≈ Dirext X 10

But we habe Dirext X 11
Also OpenGL is full of the deprecated interface.

Also:
OpenGL ≠ OpenGL on the Mac
Apple is implementing its own OpenGL Runtime and the IHVs deliver only the drivers. But this runtime act sometimes in another way, compared to the IHV Implementations for Windows and Linux.
So that OpenGL is totally independency from the plattform, is not really true and a myth (especially for the Mac).

 

[*LTD*]

Windows 7 > Snow Leoperd, deny it all you want it doesn't change the fact it's true. Windows 7 just works.

By default, it is impossible for Windows 7 to achieve the same stability and reliability as OS X. MS and Apple business models are completely different.

 

[pmz]

Can't speak for that person, but mine's buggy as hell. Recently did a clean install (which took several hours to backup files on a borrowed external) and it made it much worse. Don't know what's up, but I'm hoping some kind of update will help. I'm so frustrated that I think my next puter will be Windows 7 or whatever comes after that.

if you don't realize that your computer has a hardware problem, then no one can help you.

Clean install = problem solved. Buggy Clean Install = Hardware problem.

 

[pmz]

Windows 7 > Snow Leoperd, deny it all you want it doesn't change the fact it's true. Windows 7 just works.

Windows 7 is Windows, just better. I have no problems with it, except about 1000 different huge annoyances that are the core of Windows.

Snow Leopard is the best performing/most reliable OS I've ever used.

Not sure there is anything that makes Windows7 better than Snow Leopard. I run both natively on my iMac. Right now? Snow Leopard, because it just works.

 

[Speedy2]

No, they wouldn't, because they're still not locked into the tiny choice of Apple hardware but can still choose from almost unlimited varieties and product offerings.

THIS is what makes the PC platform so powerful: CHOICE. And choice is the one thing that Apple definitely does not want to give their customers.

Yawn. Why don't you buy a PC then?
Apparently, Apple offers enough choice for many people and many of these are quite happy that they don't have to hunt for drivers just to get their system running.

 

[wilsonlaidlaw]

Still no mention of a fix for 10810 finder crash - disgusted!

I and from the number of hits on the relevant threads on both Apple and other forums, close to 100,000 others are suffering from the 10810 finder crash error, when external storage is connected. Thousands of reports have been made to Apple on this and official bug reports left. Still Apple are denying it is an issue and seem to have no fix in sight. It is not a hardware issue, appearing on machines varying from a 3+ year old iMac and a Macpro on its first day. I am frankly staggered that nothing seems to be included in 10.6.3 for this. It is close to making a non-laptop machine unusable for professional photographers, as we have to have external storage connected, with many terabytes of images. Each image that I take is 108 MB and I will sometimes take 500 in a day.

Wilson

 

[Speedy2]

1. Many people report problems after SL install.
2. Many people report no problems after SL install.

Possible causes:
* People reporting problems with SL are delusional.
* People reporting problems with SL had a hardware problem develop exactly at the moment of SL install.
* People reporting problems with SL are just lying bastards who troll Mac forums because they need a hobby and/or are paid by MS.

What the hell are you talking about? I never said anyone is "delusional" or "lying". You see things that are not there.

I have given the most common reasons why people are having issues with their OS. The same issues as on Windows by the way. It's hardly ever Mac OS or Windows, it's usually hardware or 3rd party drivers / software that cause the most issues.
Still blaming the OS without offering any substantial evidence to support that assumption is just uninformed bickering.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Looks like it's supporting all but "Shading Language Version: 1.3.0" on my ATI 4870.

Also has a new kernel build date:

Darwin sekhmet.local 10.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.3.0: Tue Jan 19 17:19:02 PST 2010; root:xnu-1504.3.6~2/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64

I'll be even more impressed when SL supports shader 1.5 and the full OpenGL 3.2 API, but that isn't remotely as difficult to support as the 3.0 update.

I'd assume 10.6.4 will move it to OpenGL 3.2.

 

[Jelite]

The intelligent thing to do if you have so many issues with SL is to go back to Leopard.

 

[*LTD*]

THIS is what makes the PC platform so powerful: CHOICE. And choice is the one thing that Apple definitely does not want to give their customers.

Apparently, these people didn't notice:



http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10019711-37.html

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...tisfaction-up-despite-struggling-industry.ars

http://digg.com/apple/Apple_leads_2009_customer_satisfaction_survey

http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/08/16/apple.no..1.on.csi/

http://theappleblog.com/2009/05/06/apple-customer-satisfaction-its-the-experience/

http://blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2007/04/behind-scenes-why-apples-customerbase

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2008/08/mac_customer_sa.html

http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-posts-highest-score-ever-on-customer-satisfaction-index/2553

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/22467/

http://bindapple.com/apple-satisfaction-2009-report/

http://www.macnn.com/news/25971

https://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/14/iphone-3gs-trumps-palm-pre-in-satisfaction-survey/

http://www.ipodobserver.com/ipo/article/iPhone_Satisfaction_Off_The_Charts/

http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/08/14/iphone-3gs-99-pure-satisfaction/

http://www.mactivist.com/2009/06/iphone-macs-ipod-sweep-2008-customer-satisfaction-rankings-in-japan

http://www.9to5mac.com/jobs-satisfation-rate-high

http://www.jdpower.com/Business/ratings/smartphone-ratings

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2248040/apple-keeps-top-billing

http://www.eweek.com/prestitial.php...ustomer-Satisfaction-Study-Finds-453807/&ref=

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352796,00.asp

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2006/08/5002.ars

http://www.osnews.com/story/15553

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689554/posts

https://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-224872.html


So much for more "choice."


http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/19/apple-reports-fiscal-q4-earnings-1-67b-profit-mac-sales-way-u/

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...ig-iphone-3gs-launch-boost-apple-earnings.ars

http://www.pcworld.com/article/185709/apple_mac_sales_on_track_to_break_records_again.html

http://theappleblog.com/2009/10/19/apple-q4-2009-3m-macs-record-profits/

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142878/Mac_sales_to_set_another_record_says_analyst


And that's just a sampling.

Are you up on current events at all, or does Germany exist in some alternate reality?

 

[Eric S.]

And choice is the one thing that Apple definitely does not want to give their customers.

It's the Steve Jobs Doctrine: Don't Confuse Your Customers With Too Many Choices.

 

[JohnDoe98]

Apple's poor drivers are written completely by Nvidia and ATI. So it's their poor drivers for Apple.

Got any proof of that? I think you are wrong and that Apple in fact is in charge of writing all the drivers, otherwise you would see updates on the Nvidia and ATI websites when they release updates and one could complain to them to add H.264 acceleration support and other stuff. Fact is it is Apple who doesn't keep on top of things, i.e. making all available tech work on their hardware. That's the only advantage with Windows, it lets the companies develop their own drivers, which is why all the features tend to be available on it. Of course that introduces problems of its own...

 

[lkrupp]

Safari seems snappier

Yep, definitely. And all the bugs that some claim to be universal, known, deal stopping, yet not reproducible by the majority of users, will be magically fixed even though they never existed in the first place.

 

[vansouza]

am I the only one who has a SL that works till I've installed it (10.6.0)?

And now with 10.6.2 is even better...

Macintosh always worked for me... without problems...

(Instead of Windows 7, which gave to me his first BSOD just yesterday...)

Microsoft Sucks...

No you are most certainly not the only one as I am one also. My only complaint is iTunes... dog slow to start and hangs on me line a condemned felon ... I would use it only to purchase songs if there were a better alternative to play music and sync to my ipod... anyone??

 

[*LTD*]

No you are most certainly not the only one as I am one also. My only complaint is iTunes... dog slow to start and hangs on me line a condemned felon ... I would use it only to purchase songs if there were a better alternative to play music and sync to my ipod... anyone??

Count me on on the SL satisfaction as well.

My only complaint continues to be Quicktime X. Takes a while for it to load certain previews, and it's movie indexing is wonky. Takes forever to open large movie files. It isn't really an error, just the way it indexes marterial.

 

[KALLT]

Count me on on the SL satisfaction as well.

My only complaint continues to be Quicktime X. Takes a while for it to load certain previews, and it's movie indexing is wonky. Takes forever to open large movie files. It isn't really an error, just the way it indexes marterial.

I agree. In addition I'm experiencing regular crashes and beach balls on Safari and iTunes. Not something new or related to Snow Leopard I guess. Chrome is looking better with every update, so Apple: what are you waiting for?