Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.6.3 Build 10D538 to Developers

[Constantine1337]

Ironic that Windows is now MORE stable than OS X.

Some people here don't seem to have any problems with SL. You are lucky. This forum and every other forum online demonstrates widespread continuing problems with SL.

Thats because every forum out there is about problems... you (almost) never see a topic: "OMG Snow leopard works so awesome! How awesome does it work for you??!"
And given the complete sum of all OSX (SL) users, the 20000 people writing on those forums are less than 1% of them all.

I work at one of the apple partner stores in germany and the worst thing I hate is when someone says "I looked on the net, and a lot of people seem to have this problem, so it must be common" -.-
50.000 of 20.000.000 (random figures, just to make my point) is not a lot of people... and furthermore, most of the OSX errors/slowdowns/bugs are user related, not Mac OSX hardware/software issue.

 

[asknone9]

Thats because every forum out there is about problems... you (almost) never see a topic: "OMG Snow leopard works so awesome! How awesome does it work for you??!"
And given the complete sum of all OSX (SL) users, the 20000 people writing on those forums are less than 1% of them all.

I work at one of the apple partner stores in germany and the worst thing I hate is when someone says "I looked on the net, and a lot of people seem to have this problem, so it must be common" -.-
50.000 of 20.000.000 (random figures, just to make my point) is not a lot of people... and furthermore, most of the OSX errors/slowdowns/bugs are user related, not Mac OSX hardware/software issue.

This is unfortunate, indeed; however, people are a product of their environment. That environment happens to be ever increasingly speeding toward a nature that is critical and progressively in need of instant gratification. We have, ironically, created the very things we complain about and the very institutions that we would see revised.

 

[*LTD*]

This is unfortunate, indeed; however, people are a product of their environment. That environment happens to be ever increasingly speeding toward a nature that is critical and progressively in need of instant gratification. We have, ironically, created the very things we complain about and the very institutions that we would see revised.

How very true.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

I agree. In addition I'm experiencing regular crashes and beach balls on Safari and iTunes. Not something new or related to Snow Leopard I guess. Chrome is looking better with every update, so Apple: what are you waiting for?

Download WebKit nightlies. If you're still bitching w/o substantive information I cannot have any compassion for your complaints.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Thats because every forum out there is about problems... you (almost) never see a topic: "OMG Snow leopard works so awesome! How awesome does it work for you??!"
And given the complete sum of all OSX (SL) users, the 20000 people writing on those forums are less than 1% of them all.

I work at one of the apple partner stores in germany and the worst thing I hate is when someone says "I looked on the net, and a lot of people seem to have this problem, so it must be common" -.-
50.000 of 20.000.000 (random figures, just to make my point) is not a lot of people... and furthermore, most of the OSX errors/slowdowns/bugs are user related, not Mac OSX hardware/software issue.

They are less than 1/10 of a percent.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

This Article is a Joke.


No it's not.

ATI-OpenGL-Tesselation-Extension has nothing to do with what you have with D3D11. And till you have the Extension in OpenGL, it will probably take time.

OpenGL 3.2 ≈ Dirext X 10

But we habe Dirext X 11
Also OpenGL is full of the deprecated interface.

Also:
OpenGL ≠ OpenGL on the Mac
Apple is implementing its own OpenGL Runtime and the IHVs deliver only the drivers. But this runtime act sometimes in another way, compared to the IHV Implementations for Windows and Linux.
So that OpenGL is totally independency from the plattform, is not really true and a myth (especially for the Mac).

Direct X11 is branding. It's DirectX10 with their counter to OpenCL.

Take a hard guess as to which the Graphics vendors are targeting, across all markets. OpenCL+OpenGL or DirectX11?

OpenCL+OpenGL.

It's owning the gaming space, embedded markets and all but Windows, which by the way isn't the cash market it was in the '90s.

The embedded space of smartphones, gaming devices and soon Tablet space are where massive profits are being made.

Traditional workstation/laptops still make money, especially for Apple, but not so much for Windows.

Windows makes it's bulk of money from Office.

Even that pool and enterprise software are both shrinking quarter over quarter.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

This Article is a Joke.


No it's not.

ATI-OpenGL-Tesselation-Extension has nothing to do with what you have with D3D11. And till you have the Extension in OpenGL, it will probably take time.

OpenGL 3.2 ≈ Dirext X 10

But we habe Dirext X 11
Also OpenGL is full of the deprecated interface.

Also:
OpenGL ≠ OpenGL on the Mac
Apple is implementing its own OpenGL Runtime and the IHVs deliver only the drivers. But this runtime act sometimes in another way, compared to the IHV Implementations for Windows and Linux.
So that OpenGL is totally independency from the plattform, is not really true and a myth (especially for the Mac).

Linux and Windows OpenGL implementations differ as well. They vary with the windowing servers.

 

[baryon]

Cause your Mac might have developed hardware issues after you installed SL....why don't you go back to Leopard and see if you have the same issues?

Because it's a pain in the *** to have to reinstall the system all the time. I payed all this money to NOT have to do this as I did with Windows. I just thought OS X was better than Windows, but they both suck!

 

[Inconsequential]

Thats because every forum out there is about problems... you (almost) never see a topic: "OMG Snow leopard works so awesome! How awesome does it work for you??!"
And given the complete sum of all OSX (SL) users, the 20000 people writing on those forums are less than 1% of them all.

Actually Snow Leopard (even forced to 64 bit mode) works perfectly on my Mac Pro and Macbook Pro.
Edit: AND my home folder has been forced to a different hard-disk which is a "unsupported" configuration apparently.

The issues with my Mac Pro are in Leopard as well, so can be discounted from the comparison.

Anyone that is having crashes either has dodgy hardware or a piece of software causing the issues.

If Snow Leopard works perfectly for me (No beach-balling, no kernel panics, NOTHING.) then assuming your hardware is working correctly then it should for you too.

Machines in my sig.

 

[ChazUK]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.1; en-gb; Nexus One Build/ERD79) AppleWebKit/530.17 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/530.17)

I had some beachball issues in Safari pre 10.6.2 but since the release of 10.6.2 things have been fine for me.

I do use Chrome more now but when something is wrong in Chrome beta a quick switch to Safari and all is well. 10.6.3 onwards will only get better for me. Bring it on I say!

 

[brownieguy19]

Final Cut w/ SL could use a few tweaks. FCP on my 15" MBP running Tiger never had issues. Now FCP on my 17" MBP w/ SL has a lot of weird kinks to it. AND even crashes pretty hard from time to time, requiring a restart just to get the program open again. Granted, I have Final Cut Studio 2, not FCS 3. Hopefully the BIG upgrade we're all waiting for comes this quarter or sometime in 2010.

 

[SimonMW]

Only thing I need is my Matrox MXO to work with the newer updates. I'm stuck on 10.6.1.

 

[50548]

I don't care about QuickTime, I don't care about Safari, I really don't care about security or compatibility, just PLEASE make my computer NOT freeze and reboot by itself constantly! If it only crashed every 2 weeks, that would be fine! Just set that variable that defines how often the damn computer crashes to a larger interval!

I really can't understand how you and a few others have so many problems...you must have screwed up somewhere down the road; it's just amazing to hear those fantastic stories.

 

[Mike Oxard]

My experience is exactly the opposite. Running it on an early 08 Macbook Pro, 4gb RAM, with numerous devices attached to it via 3 USB hubs.

Worst case, try a clean install. Although normally you shouldn't have to.

Since installing Snow Leopard my iMac has not been performing anyting like as reliably as it did under Leopard. Aperture is slow, my Firewire drve doesn't work, and it keeps waking itself from sleep without being asked. All I did to make it worse was the upgrade to SL (not a clean install)

I've read a lot of people denying there's anything wrong with SL and I want to believe them, so I'd like to try a clean install. If I do a clean install and then a Time Machine restore, is this the same thing, or will I bring back any problems I currently have with the computer.

Basically, I want to do a clean install of SL, what's the best way to do it?

 

[CarminePesce]

I, too, haven't had any major issues with SL 10.6.2. As others have stated, iTunes is slow to start up but that is, imo, nothing MAJOR. Granted, i do believe SL will get much more "snappier" with every point release but i'm very pleased with it up til now. The only other "requests" i have for the Apple Software Team:
a) PLEASE find a way to disable "power miser" from Nvidia graphics chipsets
b) fix the network drive alias functionality (time capsule alias cannot be modified because the original file cannot be found error)
c) occasional wake from sleep issues

Can't think of any other quirks right now.
Keep up the great work on an already great OS!!!!

Carmine

 

[Povilas]

Got any proof of that? I think you are wrong and that Apple in fact is in charge of writing all the drivers, otherwise you would see updates on the Nvidia and ATI websites when they release updates and one could complain to them to add H.264 acceleration support and other stuff. Fact is it is Apple who doesn't keep on top of things, i.e. making all available tech work on their hardware. That's the only advantage with Windows, it lets the companies develop their own drivers, which is why all the features tend to be available on it. Of course that introduces problems of its own...

There is no point for them to be located on ATI or Nvidia sites, because Apple is a closed system and any updates are provided through Software Update. By the way some Mac drivers for ATI cards actually can be downloaded from Here

 

[KALLT]

Download WebKit nightlies. If you're still bitching w/o substantive information I cannot have any compassion for your complaints.

I don't need your compassion, I'm just telling which problems annoy me the most right now. I have always used Safari on my Mac, sometimes Firefox if Safari does't work on some websites. I don't know what could be the cause of the problem, either Safari 4 or Snow Leopard, but I'm experiencing regular crashes since then. I don't use WebKit, because it is updated far too often.

So what substantive information do you want? Version number, websites, number of open tabs etc.? A lot of things could cause crashes, I wouldn't know where to start. Fortunately, I'm always sending error reports, so perhaps Apple is able to fix it in the future.

 

[50548]

look kid, just because you aren't having any issues doesn't mean no one else is. Why is it so hard for you to admit Apple isn't perfect?

The new imacs are dead and so is BRLawyewrs sex life!

Do I really need to talk about my sex life here, genius? I have no problems with it, don't worry...in any case, avoid insults next time, otherwise you might get banned.

And no, Apple and OS X are not perfect...they're just a thousand miles ahead of MS and any version of Windows released so far.

Having said that, anyone else having problems with Apple Movie Trailers, Apple TV and the QuickTime extension after the 2010 Security Update? They're not playing at all, it seems...

 

[*LTD*]

Since installing Snow Leopard my iMac has not been performing anyting like as reliably as it did under Leopard. Aperture is slow, my Firewire drve doesn't work, and it keeps waking itself from sleep without being asked. All I did to make it worse was the upgrade to SL (not a clean install)

I've read a lot of people denying there's anything wrong with SL and I want to believe them, so I'd like to try a clean install. If I do a clean install and then a Time Machine restore, is this the same thing, or will I bring back any problems I currently have with the computer.

Basically, I want to do a clean install of SL, what's the best way to do it?

This should do it:

http://www.brighthub.com/computing/mac-platform/articles/48174.aspx

Here's a vid about it that others seem to like:

http://www.youtube.com/user/bullychris

 

[Mike Oxard]

This should do it:

http://www.brighthub.com/computing/mac-platform/articles/48174.aspx

Here's a vid about it that others seem to like:

http://www.youtube.com/user/bullychris

Thank You.

 

[*LTD*]

Thank You.

My pleasure. Let us know how things go.

 

[MCIowaRulz]

Final Cut w/ SL could use a few tweaks. FCP on my 15" MBP running Tiger never had issues. Now FCP on my 17" MBP w/ SL has a lot of weird kinks to it. AND even crashes pretty hard from time to time, requiring a restart just to get the program open again. Granted, I have Final Cut Studio 2, not FCS 3. Hopefully the BIG upgrade we're all waiting for comes this quarter or sometime in 2010.

Is it wise to purchase Final Cut Studio 3 now or Wait? I need it as I'm a broadcast major. Will there be that much difference between it and Final Cut Studio 4?
How much are upgrades?

 

[wankey]

Yes, but then how come I had zero issues with Leopard?

Did you try a full reinstall and then manually adding files to Snow Leoaprd? I suppose not.

 

[cvaldes]

Is it wise to purchase Final Cut Studio 3 now or Wait? I need it as I'm a broadcast major. Will there be that much difference between it and Final Cut Studio 4?
How much are upgrades?

If you need it now, I don't think you really have a choice.

No one really knows how much different version 4 would be compared to version 3 until Apple makes an announcement. They rarely discuss unannounced products. I don't know how much the upgrades usually are. Maybe you can price one at the Apple Store or Amazon?

As to when version 4 would be announced, you might check the Wikipedia entry on Final Cut Studio. The article would probably list release dates for prior versions. Without even bothering to go look at the article, my guess is that they coincide with a major broadcast TV tradeshow like NAB (Spring in Las Vegas) or IBC (Fall in Europe - Amsterdam?).

 

[MorphingDragon]

Count me on on the SL satisfaction as well.

My only complaint continues to be Quicktime X. Takes a while for it to load certain previews, and it's movie indexing is wonky. Takes forever to open large movie files. It isn't really an error, just the way it indexes marterial.

Just download VLC and get on with it.