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Apple Seeds Second Beta of macOS Sierra to Developers

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My question is. What's services can I use WITHOUT any connections to iCloud? I would like to sync and use my phone, watch and computer over local wifi and Bluetooth without any web services. Then To get files from my Mac I'll Bittorent sync directly between my phone and Mac. What about us who want to limit our connection outside services reliance. We should have our devices work directly with each other if we want, then use iCloud and other cloud service as optional, NOT essential.
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Oh, you got the wrong download, you meant to download Linux Mint.
 
CrashX said:
I'm being dramatic because - once you turn ON iCloud - it starts claiming everything it can. You then have to jump through every possible hoop to turn it off wherever you might find the "option".

Once iCloud claims "ownership" of a file - iCloud OWNS the file. End of story. The gurus will correct me, I'm certain, but basically Apple has "rooted" your data. They own it, not you. And, as the warnings relate, according to the TOS you blindly agreed to, ALL of the data you allowed iCloud access will be deleted across ALL devices connected to iCloud.

Which, if you USE iCloud, means EVERY device.

So I've ruled out paranoia, I'm not being dramatic. Apple has NO RIGHT whatsoever to claim ownership of user's data via iCloud and then DELETE - and THIS is the major problem, the DELETION - I didn't believe it, was absolutely SHOCKED when Apple deleted all of my photos on all of my machines...

I'm not being dramatic. Simply hoping to alert everyone to the TOS concerning iCloud. And futily hoping those TOS might be rolled back.

Once you store your data on iCloud, APPLE owns that data. If you turn OFF iCloud, Apple REMOVES all iCloud stored data from ALL of your devices. I've seen it in action - luckily with only a few dozen photos.

Imagine all the data...

I don't want that infecting my desktop or anything else. The iApps are bad enough with their "pick and choose but automatically included" iCloud infusions.

HELL NO!

It's not even about the "cost" of a "subscription" to iCloud. It's about iCloud (again, gurus will correct me) "rooting" MY data, and having MORE control over it than I do, to DELETE data as punishment for DARING to remove it from iCloud.
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You do have a point but you really need to address this with Apple, Tim Cook and friends. I've actually have gotten bitten by this deletion issue myself and frankly I can't understand Apples rational for deleting files the way it does. It isn't a bug it is bad engineering.
 
Amazing Iceman said:
Back to the main topic, is this Beta stable enough to try or should I wait for the next one?
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I really don't know how many times this needs to be said, but if you aren't a developer there is no reason to install a beta. Further if. You have to ask this stupid question there certainly is no good reason for you to upgrade to a beta.
 
Can the "automatic delete" feature be turned off? Not sure if I want my computer randomly deleting files that haven't been active in a while in order to save space.
 
rnbwd said:
Just to counter everyone 'freaking out' about the dramatic increase iCloud sync (which was one of the first things I noticed) - keep in mind they're also introducing the APFS (although not the default system yet) - it can locally encrypt EVERY SINGLE FILE on your computer. So you could theoretically have all of your information in the cloud and encrypted locally - which sort of nullifies the icloud syncing thing. It's definitely a double edged sword, and the icloud syncing is starting probably a year ahead of the encryption - but unless you literally want to run debian without ANY connection to the internet your identity is not private and it never will be private again, so we need to adjust into this new reality and work within the system to do what we can to facilitate some sort of balance. I ASSUME dev's are the ones using this OS - so we are responsible for architecting the future software and how it interacts with average user. If you wanna steal info for ad companies to make money, you're the problem. Apple is walking a tightrope between it's enormous customer base and forces like the FBI that's been working them hard all year. Obviously some balance was struck, and the introduction of APFS and the INABILITY to use iCloud passphrase for filevault seem like a big WINK from apple us (devs) - as to what's happening behind the scenes. Also, 'opting out' of cloud sync or geo data has no guarantee of being remotely turned on. Something is always syncing, just look at your internet traffic.
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People seem to think the concern is syncing by itself. Syncing is an issue but the real problem is files that get deleted from you local devices when you don't want them deleted. This has been a problem with Photos. How much of a problem it is now with Sierra is unknown. Frankly this isn't unlike some of the issues people have had with iTunes in the past.

To put it mildly the way iCloud handles files is less than ideal. It causes people a lot of grief even if other put their heads in the ground and rattle on about it never happening.
 
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iLG said:
another person who needs to use the support articles
https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT204570
Down the bottom of that page.
After you choose to delete the iCloud Photo Library just open the photos app, set prefs to "download originals" & it will download the photos automatically for you. That's the "download all" you are looking for.
But technically you should already have the photos on your devices if they came from those devices unless you deleted your originals.
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If only it worked that way.

Besides the whole point here is that Apple will very easily leave you with no original documents. You really shouldn't have to look for such a preference. This is a problem with Apples vision of what iCloud is or will become and that apparently is the primary storage location for user data. That unfortunately isn't what most people want. Rather they want their data synced and backed up.

In any event iCloud continues to be a complete failure form what I can see. Except for syncing of calendars and notes just about everything else iCloud does just runs me the wrong way. It is a terrible implementation of a cloud service.
 
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retrospek said:
Is the Apple Watch unlocking your MAC actually working for anyone ? I think I've set mine up correctly - and my Mac seems to try and find the watch after I resume from Sleep but it then switches to asking for a password after a few seconds ?
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Not working here. Getting the exact same result as you: after resuming from sleep it searches to the Apple Watch, but then it goes to the password box. Restarted Mac, but that didn't solve the issue. And restarting the Watch didn't help either..
 
Only had it installed for 30 minutes but can already notice an improvement in Safari's speed. Switching tabs, closing tabs and opening tabs: all of that is so much snappier. Pretty sure it's not placebo either but who knows, I guess we'll see how it fairs in a couple days.

Also this is a small thing but Fantastical's time list on the left is fixed in this release (see pic), in DP1 all the numbers were bunched up together at the top. Not sure if that this build or the Fantastical update I just installed. Regardless, I'm glad they're back.

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Aaaawwwww maaaaaan dont try to reset your macOS sierra mac.... you will get an verification error in setup process and you actually need to start an internetrecovery
 
lunarworks said:
Photos already does RAW. That's all I shoot in with my big camera.
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Right, my mistake. I was thinking the photo editor in iOS 10, which should be able to process RAW now that the APIs in Core Image are available.

And... Wouldn't be surprised if the upcoming iPhone 7 will be able to capture RAW data off the sensor.
 
wizard said:
I really don't know how many times this needs to be said, but if you aren't a developer there is no reason to install a beta. Further if. You have to ask this stupid question there certainly is no good reason for you to upgrade to a beta.
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I have my reasons for asking that question.
The fact that you don't have the answer doesn't give you the right to call people stupid. I'm sure other forum members want to know the answer.
At this point, all I can say about you is: Troll alert!
 
myname70 said:
As I said - I did this, I activated two-factory authentication, all as per this instruction - and no auto unlock...
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Mine didn't work either. It gave me an error that it couldn't communicate with the watch and now the check mark to enable it is gone. Restarted all my devices and no luck. Un pairing watch now. Maybe that will make it work again.
 
glindon said:
Mine didn't work either. It gave me an error that it couldn't communicate with the watch and now the check mark to enable it is gone. Restarted all my devices and no luck. Un pairing watch now. Maybe that will make it work again.
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Good to know that someone got the same issue. Mine wont work either, earlier I had the option to check mark to enable it, but suddenly it is gone. Running an late 2013 Macbook Pro.
 
Just wanted to know in advance but for those who have tried Auto Unlock so far:
I use my Mac (late 2013 Retina 13" MBP) at school, connected to school wifi, BT turned on as well
My Apple Watch is connected to my phone via BT, but my phone is not connected to WiFi or Cellular Data (to save battery life throughout the day).

Would Auto Unlock still work?
 
Can any of the developers try installing FCP7 and letting me know if it still works? There's been a long-running countdown as to when an OS update will break it.
 
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