Apple Sees U.S. Mac Shipments Drop 2.5% in 2Q15 Amid Larger Worldwide PC Shipment Decline

[pacalis]

Yep, and the same wannabe CEOs think they know how to "fix" things.

You got that wrong. I'm a wannabe consumer but every laptop since the launch of the 2012 rMBP has been incremental meh.

And ya, every consumer knows that a $25 dollar component improvement, aka rMBA, changes everything, but it would cannibalize the gouge festival on the rMBP and macnetbook.

 

[rykke]

want a new mac mini to replace my maxed 2011 mini but not happy with latest build with no user upgrade-ability

 

[class77]

When your flagship laptop is still running 2 year old chips without any hint of an upgrade, your PC shipments are going to fall. And no, I don't count force touch trackpads as a significant upgrade. I'm dying to buy a top of the line 15" rMBP and I can't justify the cost for old hardware

 

[redheeler]

Apple did themselves no favours launching the 12" MacBook.

That is a worrying sign for the direction of the Mac. When form takes precedence over function, as it does with the ridiculously compromised MacBook, you might as well stop making computers.

Apple are becoming a fashion-driven company, and are doing their best to destroy the hard-earned reputation for stellar hardware which Steve Jobs built up over many years. It's sad to see this once-great company turn into a political blancmange obsessed with race and sexuality at the expense of a laser-focus on their products.

So you would agree Apple might as well have stopped making computers when they released the form over function and ridiculously compromised MacBook Air in 2008?

 

[birnando]

When your flagship laptop is still running 2 year old chips without any hint of an upgrade, your PC shipments are going to fall. And no, I don't count force touch trackpads as a significant upgrade. I'm dying to buy a top of the line 15" rMBP and I can't justify the cost for old hardware

Well we all do what we think best.
I just placed an order for the new 15" rMBP with force touch this Monday.
And no, I couldn't care less about the force touch thingy.

It will replace my wonderful 2010 MBP, and to me at least it sure does sound like a very decent upgrade that will keep me productive both at work and at home for a few years.
The 2010 machine will be a delightful upgrade for my 10 year old, who has been using my even older 2007 MBP 17".

To me a mac is simply put the most effective tool for the job at hand, due to an operating system I am very much at home in using.
After decades of using one, I can produce more work in a certain period of time than I'm able to on a Linux or Windows based PC.
Arguing that there must, at all cost, be some brand spanking new and shiny revolutionary thing to justify an upgrade sounds like kindergarten talk to me.

 

[tdale]

Holy cow look at Lenovo go! the only company on that list to actually grow.

Well, Lenovo, Dell, Apple and Asus actually were stable or grew relative to the overall decline

The overall decline is due to people replacing less as the hard earned dollars were spent on fancy phones and tablets.

A better metric is cash spent on tablets and desktops year on year

 

[Lankyman]

This always interests me as it's so distorted.

How does this take into account the hundreds of millions of PC components sold to individuals?
Building and upgrading PC's for themselves, friends or family?

Pretty much none of which go to the Apple Community who cannot upgrade or build new using components.

There could be zero PC sales according to this chart, and still be millions of PC being created or upgraded via components being sold to people.

I think lot's of people like myself are upgrading our Mac's with SSDs instead of buying a new machine. My current 4 year old iMac is faster now with an SSD and 20 gigs of RAM then when I bought it 4 years ago. Buying a new iMac would provide me with little gain over what I have now.

I would probably go backwards without spending a great deal - why would you bother?

 

[Lankyman]

Give me an actually improved Mac Mini and I'll buy one tomorrow.

Should be renamed the C - - p Mini.

 

[markfc]

I wonder why Lenovo was the only company whose shipments grew, especially considering the Superfish scandal?

Simple. They're cheap! I can pick up a Lenovo -

Lenovo B50-30 Laptop

• Intel Celeron N2840 2.16GHz
• 4GB RAM + 500GB HDD
• 15.6" LED Backlit
• Webcam + Bluetooth

For £169 inc VAT. They look good too. Only downside is the flimsy keyboard but hey for that price.

If Apple wanted Marketshare they would drop the Mac prices.

 

[iapplelove]

Because iOS and OS X create the exact same overhead on a device's performance.

This is what I always say. It's one thing to run iOS it's another to run OS X, and run it smoothly and efficient.

 

[urtules]

People loosing interests to PC as a computer. iPad is a future of computing for normal people, not PC or Mac.

 

[urtules]

Simple. They're cheap! I can pick up a Lenovo -

Lenovo B50-30 Laptop

• Intel Celeron N2840 2.16GHz
• 4GB RAM + 500GB HDD
• 15.6" LED Backlit
• Webcam + Bluetooth

For £169 inc VAT. They look good too. Only downside is the flimsy keyboard but hey for that price.

If Apple wanted Marketshare they would drop the Mac prices.

Apple don't won't low cost market share. Profits too low and they don't want to sacrifice UX over price.

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

Something tells me those waiting will be quite disappointed.

Goodness, this thread is just full to the brim of lofty expectations, isn't it?

I'm predicting that El Capitan and the iPad Pro will be released on the same day, because the former will be the operating system of the later.

We might also see the first refresh for the MacBook, with it switching from Intel to ARM.

This isn't wild, random speculation. Apple is definitely gearing up for an architecture switch. They've asked developers to stop sending in architecture specific binaries to the Mac App Store. They now want an intermediate format from which they can make the app available for any architecture. This means on any day they could announce an ARM Mac available immediately with thousands of apps available on the Mac App Store for it.

 

[darkknight14]

Apple did themselves no favours launching the 12" MacBook.

That is a worrying sign for the direction of the Mac. When form takes precedence over function, as it does with the ridiculously compromised MacBook, you might as well stop making computers.

Apple are becoming a fashion-driven company, and are doing their best to destroy the hard-earned reputation for stellar hardware which Steve Jobs built up over many years. It's sad to see this once-great company turn into a political blancmange obsessed with race and sexuality at the expense of a laser-focus on their products.

I agree with your comments. The new MacBook is beautiful to look at but its function is hard to sell when an iPad could do the exact same.

Tim Cook should get back to basics and big up the product line.

Let's see what hardware is released later in the year.

 

[azentropy]

Gartner is US only... while IDC provides US and worldwide numbers.

My point was... Gartner and IDC have very different results for the US.

Gartner predicts Apple sold 1,922,000 Macs in the US this quarter which is a fewer amount than a year ago... meaning sales dropped.

IDC predicts Apple sold 2,205,000 Macs in the US this quarter which is a larger amount than a year ago... meaning sales grew.

Two very different predictions.

Which one is correct? (or close to correct?)

When I posted I had only seen the IDC world numbers posted on another site.

 

[flat five]

Nope, sadly, it isn't; it may be a tiny bit faster in single-core mode, but waay slower for multi-core tasks. See, for example:

http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2014/10/estimating-mac-mini-performance/

people buy minis to use with parallel processing apps?
who does this?

 

[Lankyman]

People loosing interests to PC as a computer. iPad is a future of computing for normal people, not PC or Mac.

Define 'NORMAL'

 

[jpietrzak8]

people buy minis to use with parallel processing apps?
who does this?

I personally use mine right now for developing cellphone apps; compilers can take advantage of multiple cores much better than they used to.

But honestly, what apps these days can't take advantage of multiple cores? I've noticed my browser spreads its work across multiple cores now. E-mail too. (And I do run more than one app at a time.)

I think it would be kind of sad for someone to buy a Mac and then only run a single instance of an old, single-threaded program on it. Everyone can benefit from multiple cores these days...

 

[scottsjack]

I guess I'm partly to blame for the statistics. I recently sold one of my minis and bought an HP Z230. The Z in a regular person's configuration (i7, 16GB, SSD, Quadro) makes a fantastic higher-end, configurable computer for the price of an i7 mini.

 

[Marx55]

Apple should make a Mac tablet.

 

[tomaki]

Here in Europe all the prices have gone up, and those entry level models are not even worth buying anymore since they'll start to lag and beachball within two years thanks to the crap cpu and new os versions (my MBA already does that). Also memory can't be upgraded anymore so you have to max it out from the start and that pushes the price even higher.

On top of that, Yosemite has been the biggest piece of turd I've seen from Apple, and it's actually the first osx version I've downgraded and I've been using macs since Tiger. The wifi was constantly dropping to 1Mbps, the spotlight never finds anything under 10 seconds, the maximise screen button makes the window full screen (yeah, thanks for that) and the UI is lagging all the time even with the translucency turned off. Useless! With Mavericks everything worked fine.

So you know, personally I can't recommend macs to anyone in their current state since I wouldn't buy one either. Maybe others are thinking alike?

 

[Piggie]

This has nothing to do with the homebrew computer market.

These analysts are specifically talking about PC sales.

Complete, finished, working computers.

Of course there are motherboards, RAM, hard drives and cases being sold... but they're not on these particular charts.

PC components have their own charts.

Exactly, but people, even on these forums draw totally the wrong conclusions.

Oh PC's are not selling, Apple rulez, no one buying PC's any more, they are dead.
Type childish comments, as you rightly say, these are not accurate charts to give you any representation.

The PC Parts market is MASSIVE, the Apple Parts market is virtually non existent (for obvious reasons)

 

[AndrewClarke]

people buy minis to use with parallel processing apps?
who does this?

Me.

I had a 2008 8-core Mac Pro, and I replaced it with a 2012 Mac Mini about a year and a half ago. Really, it was about an even switch in terms of performance, with the benefit of saving me ~$30/month in electricity costs.

I use it as my main workstation for software development, and am generally running a Windows VM at the same time in the background. It's got a much more annoying fan sound than the Mac Pro did, but overall it runs things fine. The major achilles heel on the Mini is its RAM ceiling of 16GB. I could use 32GB on there easily. With a 750GB SSD + 1TB spinny disk in Fusion drive and a Drobo 5D for large files, and 8 logical processors with hyperthreading, it does a great job using all its cores to compile my code, run a VM, transcode video, or whatever.

I'd love to buy a new Mac, and I would, but what else am I going to buy?

- New Mac Mini
Eeeewww. Dual core, C$1500 for what I want since I can't swap out memory later, still only 16GB. Non-starter. I sometimes think about buying a low end one as a server to put in the basement to take some load off my main computer, but even this doesn't make sense when I try to work it out. I can't easily off-load my VM to it unless I go to the i7 and 16GB of RAM, and then I'm back up to $1500.

- iMac
I already have a 24" and 30" monitor sitting on my desk. Why am I going to pay more for a monitor I don't need, attached to a computer? I want to continue to upgrade my monitors and computers seperately, thankyouverymuch.

- Mac Pro
I seriously considered it, but so much of this computer is geared towards the graphics professional. I get by with the integrated graphics on my Mini, and that's driving the two aforementioned monitors with it. I'd be throwing away >>$1000 in hardware I have no need for if I buy this iteration of the Mac Pro.

- MacBook/MacBook Air
Umm no.

- MacBook Pro
I already have one of these. A 2011 with dual drives running Fusion Drive, and 16GB of RAM. I'm using it right now since the 750GB SSD in my Mac Mini is down for a warranty replacement. Honestly this computer works just fine, despite the fact that it's 4 years old. A new MacBook Pro still limits me to 16GB of RAM.

My computer sits on a desk. I have a laptop for when I travel, and I want a DESKTOP to ... SIT ON MY DESK. I don't want to pay more for a slower computer that's running laptop-grade components just so it can be smaller, when it sits on my desk and I never move it. I'm happy to have a smaller computer than my 2008 Mac Pro, but not at the expense of it performing the computing tasks I expect of it.

I'd love a desktop Mac with user-upgradeable flash drive and RAM. It should start around the place the Mini ends, and end around where the Pro starts in terms of price and functionality. Since it's likely Apple will never sell something like this, I'm going to hold onto what I have until I absolutely HAVE to buy something else.

 

[bladerunner2000]

Well, that's what happens when you have overpriced computers!

Worse yet, not only are Macs overpriced, we've got the privilege of being given garbage components (mobile graphics in desktop iMacs?), soldered RAM, soldered CPUs, soldered GPUs.... cherry on top; ALL outdated components as well. And why the hell is Apple selling iMacs with an 4790k processor when theres no way to overclock it?

 

[moderately]

Well, that's what happens when you have overpriced computers!

Worse yet, not only are Macs overpriced, we've got the privilege of being given garbage components (mobile graphics in desktop iMacs?), soldered RAM, soldered CPUs, soldered GPUs.... cherry on top; ALL outdated components as well. And why the hell is Apple selling iMacs with an 4790k processor when theres no way to overclock it?

These sorts of comments crack me up. Apple is doing better than most in a shrinking market. In other words, people are more likely to buy a Mac vs a PC than ever before. Obviously, your comments are irrelevant to the facts at hand.