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iPad 2 is too old for iOS 8 and iOS 8 is very slow on iPad 2.

This is a huge problem. They've been selling the iPad 2 until this year as the low end model. It simply can't run iOS 8 with any usability. I made the mistake of updating my iPad 2 after it worked okay on my iPhone 5. My mistake.
 
Next year that will be an 8 year old laptop running the most current OS, what more do you want?

1999. The hardware from then has the capacity support almost everything the modern OS does. Supporting the older hardware much further back would mean a lot more people would be using Macs with updated security and buying at the App stores. That's good for Apple. Good for developers. Good for customers.

Most importantly, far more importantly than the old hardware, is continued support for the old software so that applications that ran in Classic and previous versions of MacOS X can still run on the new and future OSs. Apple is dumping a tremendous amount of cultural heritage by making old software no longer run on the new OS. There are good ways to make it work with translation and enveloping that don't bog down or bloat the new OS at all.

The more legacy crap it supports, the worse it gets for devellopers and the worse the OS becomes.

Spoken like a true non-developer. There are good ways to make it work. Your lack of imagination is no excuse for Apples.
 
My iPad Mini 1st Gen is super slow and buggy after upgrading to iOS 8.... should of looked for upgrading reviews :(
 
You still need SOME free space, as Apple acknowledges but this MacRumors article does not, to install iOS 8 via iTunes.
The tech press has been doing everyone a disservice by not making this clear.
I found that you need about 1.6-1.8 GB of free space to upgrade via iTunes, of which about 1 GB is "permanently lost" due to the larger size of the OS.
Yes, this is a big improvement over the 5 GB needed for over-the-air.

I've been trying to put together a definitive list of steps for doing a full upgrade to a pre-6 device. It is surprisingly hard to find a full list, and everyone agrees mine is wrong. Head over and tell us how you think it should be done:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1811944/
 
They wouldn't have to be doing this if they had switched to a 32/64/128 lineup a year or two ago. It's not like they can't afford to do that.
 
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I'm aware of that setting and it is NOT the full sidebar. It's just the playlists in the sidebar.

Mark
 
While we originally chalked this up to a number of significant bugs in the operating system...

This obviously never did, and never does, have anything to do with it. You sorely over estimate the reach of this website and the awareness of the hundreds of millions of iOS device owners.

Not to mention your inability to do math, and to understand that comparing the "percentage" of iOS 7 and iOS 8 devices is insane, given the growth of about 150-200 million new devices in the year between their respective releases.

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16GB Isn't enough for even the most casual of users anymore. Most of my friends are down to 100's of MB of free space, far from the 5GB required to update.

And iCloud Photo Share Library Storage Cloud Beta Share Backup 5GB Optimized is so convoluted that casual users don't even bother trying to figure out how that crap works and would rather just manually manage their photo libraries every time they get a low disk space error.

I think Apple put this on themselves and they're just gonna have to get used to not being able to brag about the amount of users on their latest OS.

None of this is true. Casual users don't manually manage anything. They just stop doing things when it stops letting them.
 
Given Apple's track record of how older hardware performs on newer iOS's - there is no way I am upgrading my devices, even if they pay me to. I just wish Apple would give up its obsession with supporting older hardware with newer software - just provide the newer OS to the latest hardware and move on. I would be perfectly happy to maintain the same performance the device originally shipped with.
 
They need to fix the bugs first. Its the buggiest iOS release I've ever seen. I've reported a bunch of bugs from the early betas and not a single reported but has been fixed. The level of quality and QA is much lower than other releases.

Thats why I recommend people stay on iOS 7 until Apple fixes some of these bugs.
 
I was at a Verizon Store today and overheard a gaggle of people agreeing on the need to upgrade to an iPhone 6 because it's not possible to upgrade to the newest software. One guy helpfully added "yeah, not enough space!"

So yeah, Apple's stingy base NAND specs have finally returned to bite them in the arse. Also, people can't figure out how to upgrade their iPhones using iTunes. These aren't Mac users - millions of them are too stupid to use a computer. An email won't solve the problem.
 
Yeah, can't wait to make my 4S unbearably slow!

All it needs to do is last a few more months so I can replace it with the Galaxy S6

Exactly. Don't upgrade your phone. I bought a 4s because I prefer the smaller size and higher density feeling of the phone in my hand, but I friggin curse at Apple daily as I have to endure all these ************ lags from iOS 8 on the iPhone 4s. Even as I'm typing this, it is fine for a line and then all of a sudden it lags for half a second. And absolutely no way to downgrade. If I do relent and get the iPhone 6, I will jailbreak on day 1 so that I don't have to put up with this BS again and I can downgrade whenever I feel like it....
 
I believe the image was indicating an opinion from the poster that to upgrade to iOS 8 would or at least could be, in their view, precipitous to a circumstance that would be not entirely favourable, and, having been offered the benefits in the email sent to the recipient, the absence of counterpoints to the nature and tone of said email may constitute a feeling that one has been lead into a course of action that when looked at in retrospect, with all things considered, in the event of a more negative outcome, one might describe the experience in terms that may form at the very least an unexpected result in the context of the sum of all previously factors surrounding the device, its software and the process of raising the iOS version number upwards.

But the character pictured famously said all that in fewer words, and about something else. i.e. ("It's a trap!")
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Given Apple's track record of how older hardware performs on newer iOS's - there is no way I am upgrading my devices, even if they pay me to. I just wish Apple would give up its obsession with supporting older hardware with newer software - just provide the newer OS to the latest hardware and move on. I would be perfectly happy to maintain the same performance the device originally shipped with.

Amen!
This whole 2014 upgrade cycle has been lame both on hardware & software.
Too many bugs, changes for change sake and more thinner-than-air obsession.
The best thing for me all year was the massive price drop on iPad Air 1 devices after the Air 2 came out. Scored a 64GB one for $180 LESS than a month earlier.

I'm sitting iOS 8 & Yosemite out. My 2012 MacMini is running stable & smooth on 10.9.5 . There's nothing compelling me to change and waste time chasing bugs.
 
I eagerly installed iOS 8.0 the day it came out on my iPhone 5. I really wanted Wi-Fi calling, as cell coverage at work is horrible. Alas, no Wi-Fi calling on iPhone 5 and my battery drained very quickly (98->78 % in about 40 minutes of doing nothing). Fortunately, they were still signing 7.1.2, so I reverted.

So Apple, if you want me on iOS 8.1. Guarantee that my battery life will be good, AND put Wi-Fi calling on the iPhone 5, as it was during beta.

Honestly, there is nothing else in iOS8.x that I could care about for my iPhone 5.
 
I eagerly installed iOS 8.0 the day it came out on my iPhone 5. I really wanted Wi-Fi calling, as cell coverage at work is horrible. Alas, no Wi-Fi calling on iPhone 5 and my battery drained very quickly (98->78 % in about 40 minutes of doing nothing). Fortunately, they were still signing 7.1.2, so I reverted.

So Apple, if you want me on iOS 8.1. Guarantee that my battery life will be good, AND put Wi-Fi calling on the iPhone 5, as it was during beta.

Honestly, there is nothing else in iOS8.x that I could care about for my iPhone 5.

I understand your frustration but there is an iPhone 5 battery replacement program FYI. May or may not help.

https://www.apple.com/support/iphone5-battery/
 
I took the bait on my first iPad and did it! After 6.01; it would not work with pretty much anything. I have a iPod itouch 4th generation and never update it; and it still running as fast as I purchased it! Many of the popular TV apps don't work along with some popular special apps; but everything surprisingly work fast! I never update any of the apps either!
 
Starts with "hey , you lazy f$cks..."
Seriously though, unless you have the lowest hardware supported, why wouldn't you update as soon as you know the bugs are worked out (looking at you iOS 8.0.1).

Because I have a jailbroken iOS 6 which I don't want to give up. My response to Apple is, so, if I don't like iOS 8, I can easily downgrade back to iOS 6, right?
 
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