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Apple Sold Fewest Macs in Any Quarter Since 2010 as Nearly Entire Lineup Was Outdated
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You know that because.... you decided it's true?
My 2011 MBP was the best machine I ever owned. The 2017 MBP is among the worst. It is stunning how bad Apple got over those 6 years. Besides all the obvious features removed making it harder to use, the machine just doesn't work right. Even on a clean OS install, it freezes up for seconds at a time once in a while while displaying web pages in Safari (probably a software problem, not hardware), about 1 time in 50, when I open the screen from sleep mode, I see random pixels for a good 5 seconds before it properly wakes up. I can go on for pages of minor annoyances that didn't exist on the 2011. The 2011 still feels like a smoother faster machine because of all the glitches.
After 20+ years of near-excousive mac use, I believe I'm typing this on the last mac I will ever own. Unless Apple does a major 180 on the Mac line in the next 2-3 years before I start getting a buying itch again. And I don't see that happening.
And don't even start on my other primary Mac, a 2012 quad core Mini that is long overdue for a replacement. I'll probably be buying a windows desktop like an intel NUC long before I go shopping for a new laptop.
Much of this is due to the fact that there is no compelling reason to upgrade. The only reason I can see is that the new macOS won't run on what some of us have. Other than that....what is there?
This is exactly what it is. They did this to 11inch air, iPad mini, iPhone SE, Mac Mini, iPod touch, ...
iPad mini was the best selling iPad ever. But it was “too cheap” for Apple and it sold much better than iPad Air. So it needed to be slaughtered. So, no hardware updates for years and years and ,,Oh, surprise surprise, the iPad mini doesn’t sell well after 3 years of no hardware upgrades I wonder why. It must mean people like the bigger size much better. kill it”
Now it’s time to completely butcher the whole computer line. Mac Mini, Mac Pro - almost buried already, MacBook line overpriced,
I hope, at least the iMacs do not have a HDD in them anymore.
Tim Cook has never understood computers. I think this has been one thing that you could look through the history of his at Apple. He's great for numbers, he's great at ensuring that the products have enough supplies and manufacturing. But he doesn't actually understand what people use them for.
you can hear this in just about every conversation he ever has regarding the Mac. You can hear this every time he talks about the future of the iPad. in fact (i can't find it right now), but he's admitted he does all his work on an iPad. there's nothing wrong with that. Most of his work is probably correspondence and not performance based, but it does indicate that he's trying to lead a company who has products he doesn't really understand.
Which is probably why the current MBPro's have the issues they do. He's probably just handed the portfolio over to Ive, who has is own problems with "THINNER!"
Like soldered on storage and memory, so expandable.
I know it from all the indicators that they send out, especially to the pro market
you mean like every other laptop that has USB and Thunderbolt 3? so EVERY Computer is the most powerfull expansion options...
again: unlike Apple's current MBPro's, the competition has not only the external expansion, but internal expansion. Most have replacable SSD's at minimum. Some even have replaceable RAM, even in ultra book form factors.
unfortunately, your comment here doesn't actually say anything other than you'll buy Apple just because it's Apple, and nothing really to do with technical merits.
Meanwhile, I want back into a Mac Laptop. I miss my Air. But there's currently nothing Apple is offering that's compelling, or above and beyond the competition. Yet they're doing it even more locked down, with some serious potential flaws, at a price point that's significantly higher than everyone else.
I'm waiting for the Air replacement to see if they've learned anything after this quarter, but i'm really not holding out hope. Judging from the decrease in volume of Mac Sales this thread / news indicates, i'm not the only Apple laptop user who was put in the same position.
When their only "updated" products start at $1700 and are on par with $1300 offerings from the competition, there's something seriously wrong.
Mmmm...my response was in context to the made assertion. With respect to the 2017 iMac, you are aware that 2018 isn't over yet, right?
Or are you expecting two iMac updates per year?
Since as of 2 Aug according to this very site's Buyer's Guide it's been 423 days, it wouldn't be be two a year. Granted that update history shows both multiple updates per year and long update droughts as well.
If Apple wants to put more efforts in what makes them the most money, it's not surprising the other products get neglected which results in declining sales. I bought an iPod and within 3 yrs, I can no longer get new iOS updates which leads to instability and real slow apps and browsing. I would not be surprised if Apple adapts this same trend to force users to buy new Macs.
I am so excited and can't to see new emojis announcement along with the new iPhones next month.
Indicators like iMac Pro, 32Gb hex-core MBPs and announcing a Mac Pro and Pro Display?
You’re wrong about the Pro market. And you’re wrong about the Mac. Apple is very commited to the Mac now, no one doubts that anymore.
The Mac Mini and Mac Pro are simply embarrassing at the moment; the MacBook is an overpriced joke, the Air has been sadly neglected; it's been over a year for the iMac (save the iMac Pro, which was a machine in search of a problem).
The only reasonably competitive computers Apple currently offer are the newly revised MBPs, and they're still absurdly overpriced for what they offer. 256 GB storage for $2400? That's taking the piss, as our friends across the pond might say . . .
The only reasonably competitive computers Apple currently offer are the newly revised MBPs, and they're still absurdly overpriced for what they offer. 256 GB storage for $2400? That's taking the piss, as our friends across the pond might say . . .
You didn't bother to read my findings.
Had you clicked on the link for the GPU comparison, you would have noticed the 8th Gen 15W iGPU gets beaten significantly in many tests by the 7th gen Iris Plus that's in the 2017 nTB MBP.
And Apple would sell about 2,000 extra units worldwide. Honest. And for that, they have to design a different PC Board, different CNC programs for their case-miilling machines, different logistics for the supply-chain and Contract Manufacturers, additional SKUs for a low-selling variant (you did say30% higher price, right?), etc. etc.Sure. If you're lucky enough to prioritize the things you quote above (and be able to afford said configuration every few years as needed) then yes, you should be quite the happy camper. I'm jealous.
I, on the other hand, say the non-expandable non-easily-replaceable-ness of soldered-in RAM/SSD as a result of (I assume) Apple's focus on fashion (thinness) and profit first and foremost are quite the liability. Having been able to afford a 2014 MBA i7 with full 8 gb ram but only 128gb SSD at the time, I'm quite ready to upgrade the SSD, and even RAM. But guess what my options are.... And the touch bar is horrible to work with instead of physical function keys, IMHO, which I use quite often at each use.
It would be quite interesting if Apple were to offer a 1/8" thicker (gasp!) laptop with swappable internals, even if at 30% more than I paid at the time, which I would have paid -- cost considerations of my one-and-down non-expandable MBA were quite the factor at the time of purchase... I.e., if Apple were to focus on function aspects beyond just performance which can't be later improved by the owner. It would be *very* interesting to see how consumers would shop if Apple were courageous enough to prioritize those abandoned aspects...
It's the same reason they discontinued the 17 MacBook Pro: The "numbers" just didn't make sense.
Apple isn't stupid: If they thought for one minute that the general public (not just a few petulant whiners on the interwebs) REALLY wanted Expandable RAM or SSD, they would make that product in a New York Minute. Their shareholders and Board of Directors would DEMAND it.
But they don't; so they won't.
And obviously, it isn't hurting their bottom line, eh?
BTW, there are a LOT of non-Apple laptops with Soldered-In RAM, and some even with soldered-in SSDs. Get used to it.
Um.
1. Way Overpriced: No. Just not "junk".
2. Outdated Hardware: You're kidding, right? A CPU that is barely off the Development Bench, an SSD that is best-in-class, More I/O bandwidth and flexibility than ANY other laptop (find me another laptop that can break-out its I/O into FIFTY-TWO SIMULTANEOUS Ports!), etc.
3. 100% Non-Upgradeable: That's a fact; but it is also a fact for a growing-number of NON-Apple laptops; because the numbers show that MOST users just buy a new machine rather than Upgrade; so why make a laptop LESS reliable by including sockets?
4. Same Bad Keyboard Feel: That's an opinion, and one that is curiously NOT shared by most actual OWNERS.
5. Useless Touchbar: Again, your OPINION. It OBVIOUSLY isn't "Useless", per se. In fact, just as a "Jog" control for FCPX and LPX, it is worth its keep.
6. Still Dongle Hell: Only if you make it so. Buy any one of the dozens of Mac-Compatible single, $50 multiport Docks on Amazon and be happy!
7. Still No Mag-Safe: So what? A quick Amazon search finds multiple third-party solutions, some as cheap as $10. Get over it.
8. No way to connect iPhone: That's just a lie. Get a USB-C to Lightning Cable and be happy!
9. Bad minimum specs: You haven't been laptop-shopping much, have you? EVERYONE has a "budget" model.
10. Did you say way-overpriced?: Yes, you did; but you didn't provide any PROOF of SIMILARLY-SPEC-ED Laptops, now DID you?
The Defense Rests...
True. But then if you leave Apple's Kool-Aid Kamp, you get faster, larger, cheaper memory and SSD. Larger, faster, cheaper RAM. Much, much, much faster GPUs that take much, much less power (oh but Apple doesn't believe in high-end GPUs that need more cooling and a bigger battery). Much faster CPUs (that don't fit in Apple's gimped thermal envelope). 4k displays instead of low-res "retina" screens that are just a marketing gimmick for "double what we gave you 15 years ago". A nice array of modern ports, a nice keyboard.
They also announced AirPower and and wireless charging cases for airpods. Those and the things you mentioned (besides the mbp) don't exist.