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Legitimate question...does Apple allow transgender people to use whatever restroom they want in its buildings?
 
Of course, but where do you draw the line? I'm sure that you can buy a product and still not being lectured. The fact that Apple (and other companies) stand for what is right shouldn't really effect you.

I believe its right to stand up and speak. I think that is probably the best way to achieve better things in life.

When you pay your hard earned money for a show and than be lectured on politics such as Wanda Sykes & Amy Schumer. That DOES effect consumers. Audiences booed than started to leave, than get flipped off by Wanda is very telling. Leave politics out of sports, shows and consumer products or face consequences.
 
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Legitimate question...does Apple allow transgender people to use whatever restroom they want in its buildings?
I imagine they do. It would be pretty hypocritical if they didn't.
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When you pay your hard earned money for a show and than be lectured on politics such as Wanda Sykes & Amy Schumer. That DOES effect consumers. Audiences booed than started to leave.
How is Apple lecturing you?

Is the press release directly addressed to you? Did Tim Cook come to your house and tell you off?
 
How can you equate liberals with not voting? Nonsense.

Didn't the democrats win the popular vote by a couple of million or does that not matter because you are up to your ears in alternative facts at this point.

It's not denial, we got over it. Now we are dealing with the beginnings of a dictatorship. Enjoy.

Don't get me wrong. I am just as PO'd as the next person about the circus clown who is in the White House. Just because he has an (R) at the end of his name, it doesn't mean that all republicans like him. First and foremost, I put the interest of the country ahead of the party. And I believe in the constitution - not just bits like the 2nd amendment but also the 1st.

The broader point here is that the popular vote means nothing. Democrats in Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida, etc. stayed home instead of coming out and making sure that their voices were heard. If they did not care enough to come out to vote, they are saying that they are okay with the outcome, whatever that might be.

And the broader point is also that despite all the talk of the popular vote for the presidential election, Americans in every state have elected a Republican house and a Republican senate. And by 2-1, have elected Republican governors.

I don't much care for the brand of Republicans that we currently have in office. Tea party nut jobs and gutless people who won't stand up for their principles and resist Trump's attacks on the constitution and the laws of this country. But I am not foolish enough to say that the American people did not ask for this. Collectively, we did.
 
Can we agree that when a politician of any party says that they're going to leave important issues to the state to decide that it is generally their way of punting? They either don't want to deal with the issue, want to transfer the weight of making the decision to the states, or are using it as a convenient excuse to defend what is generally indefensible.

Do we honestly believe that human rights issues shouldn't be ruled on at the highest levels of government? We seem fairly keen to have other issues like abortion decided by the Supreme Court, but transgender rights are a state isssue?

Let's not argue our opinions on the issue for a moment and agree that punting to states is not the appropriate corse of action here.

Can we agree that deciding what bathroom someone uses only became an important human rights issue just a few months ago? By the way, who exactly is performing these inspections and how many tranny's have been put in jail for entering the wrong bathroom?

In the grand scheme when we look at unemployment, economy, people going out to live life and not coming home because they got blown away at work or a night club, high crime in cities, etc are a much higher priority on the totem pole than where Bruce Jenner can tinkle?
 
How can you equate liberals with not voting? Nonsense.

Didn't the democrats win the popular vote by a couple of million or does that not matter because you are up to your ears in alternative facts at this point.

It's not denial, we got over it. Now we are dealing with the beginnings of a dictatorship. Enjoy.

Trump's position on this issue seems to show that he's not trying to establish a dictatorship, as you assert. He gave this matter back to the States to sort out. That's not typically something that a "dictator" would do, is it?
 
There should be a blood tester in front of every bathroom. Your finger gets pricked, and blood gets drawn. If the chromosomes don't match, then you can't enter. Problem solved!
 
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Can we agree that deciding what bathroom someone uses only became an important human rights issue just a few months ago?

I don't have a dog in this fight but I do think that just because it just got in your radar a few months ago, it doesn't mean it was important to whole host of people before then.
 
Nope. The education of students...all students, is everyone's responsibility to speak up about. They are our future.

If Trump can comment on Apple products (which he did) then I see no reason why Apple cannot do the reverse.

That's pretty funny considering Apple does so much of their business in the Middle East and China.

Has Cook opened his big ignorant yap about homosexuality being ILLEGAL throughout much of the muslim world?

Has he said anything about women being stoned to death for leaving the house without a male companion?

What about the massive human rights abuses in China? Has wimpy Tim opened his mouth about that?

The guy needs to quit the hollow virtue signalling and make computers.
 
Are you kidding me. We are talking about freaking bathrooms. BATHROOMS. There isn't a thread of hate in believing that if you have a penis, you use the men's restroom. And the opposite for women. It is delusional to call that belief "discriminatory, prejudice, hateful," etc. Give me a break.

And why is Apple getting in the middle of this? Another poster said (and I agree with this) that Apple needs to stay out of this mess. Conservative, Democrat, doesn't matter. Apple should make products, not political statements -- a notion that Steve Jobs subscribed to.

I guess you are not familiar with the morass that is federal government. If you go to DC, there are probably 5x the number of lobbyists for ever politician. And you know who these lobbyists work for? The majority work for private companies.

You see, this notion of a company trying to sway politics is not new. Not even unique to Apple. If anything, Apple is late to the game.
 
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Can we agree that deciding what bathroom someone uses only became an important human rights issue just a few months ago? By the way, who exactly is performing these inspections and how many tranny's have been put in jail for entering the wrong bathroom?

In the grand scheme when we look at unemployment, economy, people going out to live life and not coming home because they got blown away at work or a night club, high crime in cities, etc are a much higher priority on the totem pole than where Bruce Jenner can tinkle?

The point being made is that this isn't really about bathrooms. It's about how we treat people that are different than us. That's why emotions are running high and it is an issue that has garnered attention.

I concur that there are many issues that need to be addressed, but it isn't my place to tell a transgendered person that they don't matter because we have to focus on corporate tax structures instead.

The main issue at hand is that we, as a society, are not taking the time to understand who these people are and what is important to them. Instead, we try to apply our own standards to their lives and tell them to deal with it - which, ironically, is also what conservatives fear about liberals and the government. So really, we all have the same opinion, but apply it unevenly. That's the issue at hand.
 
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At this point what did we expect? So predictable. Does anybody (in the world) honestly have any doubts as to Apples political leanings? Apple is very socially liberal and expects everyone to capitulate to their world view.

Except if you live outside the United States.

Then Apple is PERFECTLY fine with you stoning women to death, throwing gays off rooftops, and making homosexuality illegal.

Tim Cook doesn't have what it takes to stand up to the muslim states or to China. He bends over and takes it from those countries.
 
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Nope. The education of students...all students, is everyone's responsibility to speak up about. They are our future.

If Trump can comment on Apple products (which he did) then I see no reason why Apple cannot do the reverse.

100%. "Stick to products" denies the citizenship of people at Apple (and the tech industry in general), who take a much broader and truer view of gender. Oh, except for the folks at Uber.
 
Hello magicschoolbus

Just noticed your signature line saying: Apple pays no taxes.

That seems to be an ALTERNATIVE FACT and FAKE NEWS.

You may want to change that to: Apple pays as little taxes as it can.

I would not be surprised if we will be able to say the same about Mr. Trump,. He has good reason not to publish his tax returns.

BTW: History professor Allan Lichtman (American University of Washington) who has a 100% track record in correctly predicting the outcome of presidential elections (I think since 1984), predicts that it will only be a matter of time before Mr. Trump gets impeached. (Mr. Trump may avoid that by resigning with some made up excuse)

Allan Lichtman's book is coming out April 18th.

And, the Washington Post has a website and so far counted 132 lies by Mr. Trump in 33 days in office (Probably a few more days now)

Anyway, I am not American and cannot vote, but you got yourself somebody elected by a weird system and it will probably not last 4 years.

Mr. Trump meddling in transgender issues seems to be a bit misguided.
 
Except if you live outside the United States.

Then Apple is PERFECTLY fine with you stoning women to death, throwing gays off rooftops, and making homosexuality illegal.

Tim Cook doesn't have what it takes to stand up to the muslim states or to China. He bends over and takes it from those countries.

We're talking about his reaction to a legaL change made in the United States. The "tu quoque" argument is fundamentally meaningless.
 
I know one restaurant where the bathroom walls are one way mirrors. You can't look in, but you can look out. Seriously. It's weird. People walk around and check if it is possible to look in before using these toilets. Should help with claustrophobes :)
Yeah... I saw one of those on a news story in a NYC Street. I think it would be good for wanna-be exhibitionists that have a bit of a worry about being caught.
 
The point being made is that this isn't really about bathrooms. It's about how we treat people that are different than us. That's why emotions are running high and it is an issue that has garnered attention.

I concur that there are many issues that need to be addressed, but it isn't my place to tell a transgendered person that they don't matter because we have to focus on corporate tax structures instead.

The main issue at hand is that we, as a society, are not taking the time to understand who these people are and what is important to them. Instead, we try to apply our own standards to their lives and tell them to deal with it - which, ironically, is also what conservatives fear about liberals and the government. So really, we all have the same opinion, but apply it unevenly. That's the issue at hand.

The only reason this is a "thing" is because people need to find something to get upset about. There is absolutely no reason at all for this to be a national issue. Let the infinitesimally small number of schools decide how they want to handle the issue. You don't need a federal mandate for this nonsense.

This is a trendy chic issue to get up in arms over because it involves sexuality. If you are concerned for human rights, it would make much more sense to advocate better working conditions for fishermen (as an example). It would impact a hell of a lot more people than some federal law telling people where they need to take a steaming dump. But nobody gives a rats ass about fishermen, so they are on their own.
 
Maybe Apple has bathrooms, some transgender employees, and a conscience (or at least a desire for them not to have to worry about where to pee).

That's the dumbest excuse, and I keep hearing it from tons of different people. Nobody should have to "worry" about where they have to pee when there's a bathroom assigned to each gender. If you're a man, go in the mens. If you're a woman, go in the womens. Plain and simple. If this makes someone feel "uncomfortable," then THAT person has the problem.
Laws should ALWAYS cater to the general welfare of the people, not the welfare of a select few. If the idea for a law discriminates against the majority of people, then that law should NOT exist. This is common sense, people.
 
Alienate all you want, Apple. Stupid is stupid. There's politics, and there is Right. Apple has the cash reserves to be Right.

So Apple supports women getting stoned to death in the middle east?

So Apple supports rampant civil rights violations and human rights violations in China?

So Apple supports homosexuality being ILLEGAL in countries they do business?

Coward Cook hasn't opened his mouth on any of those issues, as far as I'm aware. He only grows a spine when he can virtue signal to his liberal base about nonsense like federal pissing laws.
 
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They're still men or women, they can't change that regardless of how much they wish, whatever drugs or operations they have. It's a psychological condition, sometimes the parents fault, and it's also partly down to being trendy. I find it insulting when they are referred to as the opposite sex, they aren't

Sometimes the parents fault? Oh boy. :rolleyes: I find it insulting that you don't seem to know anything about the subject you are complaining about.

How do you figure they did that? The west coast and upper east coast voted Clinton which was 20 states and DC. Almost the entire rest of the country (30 states) voted Trump.
Yes, the middle of the country and south decided for the more populous costal sections.

Unfortunately, a perfect way to vote with a country as large as the US and as broken up into states as the US, does not exist
Then we are headed for a whole lot of trouble in the future.

I did say Tim Cook is corrupt
No no no....Donald Trump is an example of someone corrupt. Cook is not.

That's if you ignore all the previously hard democrat states Trump also won in the election.
No, it's exactly what was stated...the number of people won in ususally reliable blue states. Take those 77,000 people out of the equation and he would have lost. Thus that is the margin he won by: a measly football stadium worth.
 
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The only reason this is a "thing" is because people need to find something to get upset about. There is absolutely no reason at all for this to be a national issue. Let the infinitesimally small number of schools decide how they want to handle the issue. You don't need a federal mandate for this nonsense.

This is a trendy chic issue to get up in arms over because it involves sexuality. If you are concerned for human rights, it would make much more sense to advocate better working conditions for fishermen (as an example). It would impact a hell of a lot more people than some federal law telling people where they need to take a steaming dump. But nobody gives a rats ass about fishermen, so they are on their own.

The mentality that we should value one group of people over another, in this case fishermen over transgendered people, is the larger issue being debated.

It isn't fair to say that I don't care about fishermen because I'm discussing transgendered people. If somehow a politician brings up fishermen' rights and makes it a national issue, I won't reply to the thread to say that no one should care and that we should divert our attention elsewhere to a more important issue.

Caring about people is never a bad thing.
 
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We're talking about his reaction to a legaL change made in the United States. The "tu quoque" argument is fundamentally meaningless.

No counter then, huh? I'm not presenting a formal argument in debate class. I'm calling the guy a damn hypocrite (which he obviously is).

Funny how Cook doesn't have the stones to speak out against *actual* human rights atrocities in all of the countries Apple does business in.

The guy is a total joke.

Don't tell me how to rearrange my furniture when your house is up in flames, Timmy.
 
There should be a blood tester in front of every bathroom. Your finger gets pricked, and blood gets drawn. If the chromosomes don't match, then you can't enter. Problem solved!

Yeah, and look and all the people waiting in line hopping up and down. Hey, if it's the women you're worried about, they're putting on makeup and going into private stalls. You go into a public bathroom for one thing. Everybody has privacy. In men's bathrooms, a female to male trannies would head to the stalls, no? Time for the right to umpnderstsnd, if you identify with the opposite gender, dress like them, even have surgery, you're not sneaking into the girl's bathroom like a scene from Porky's. You can't understand human sexuality if all you can do is leer like 13-year-old.
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No counter then, huh? I'm not presenting a formal argument in debate class. I'm calling the guy a damn hypocrite (which he obviously is).

Funny how Cook doesn't have the stones to speak out against *actual* human rights atrocities in all of the countries Apple does business in.

The guy is a total joke.

So you change the subject. You can't talk about the topic, so you make up something you would rather talk about. Not the topic under conversation. It's called "trolling."
 
So you change the subject. You can't talk about the topic, so you make up something you would rather talk about. Not the topic under conversation. It's called "trolling."

Yeah, no. I called Tim Cook out for being a spineless hypocrite who is far more interested in hollow virtue signalling to people such as yourself than doing anything for the millions of people subjected to human rights atrocities in the countries Apple does business.

Instead, Cook concerns himself with where kids take dumps.

So far, you've offered nothing to counter that opinion.

The guy is a stone cold coward.
 
So Apple supports women getting stoned to death in the middle east?

So Apple supports rampant civil rights violations and human rights violations in China?

So Apple supports homosexuality being ILLEGAL in countries they do business?

Coward Cook hasn't opened his mouth on any of those issues, as far as I'm aware. He only grows a spine when he can virtue signal to his liberal base about nonsense like federal pissing laws.
The "Bad things are happening in other countries so why are we trying to change things here?" argument.
 
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