It's very easy to say things like you did when you come from white heterosexual privilege (assuming you are). Try living under centuries of oppression and see how your opinion would quickly change. We have had the LGBT rights left to the whim of "the people" and you all have ****ed us over every single chance you could. Its nice to have the privilege of not having your rights so easily taken away by the swing of a pen isn't it? Southern states will screw us over and we will have to reach into our own pockets to hire lawyers to defend ourselves. Let me ask you - should disability rights be left to the states to decide? Should black rights be left to the states to decide?
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It's very easy to say things like you did when you come from white heterosexual privilege (assuming you are). Try living under centuries of oppression and see how your opinion would quickly change. We have had the LGBT rights left to the whim of "the people" and you all have ****ed us over every single chance you could. Its nice to have the privilege of not having your rights so easily taken away by the swing of a pen isn't it? Southern states will screw us over and we will have to reach into our own pockets to hire lawyers to defend ourselves. Let me ask you - should disability rights be left to the states to decide? Should black rights be left to the states to decide?
Why should THOSE NY and CA votes trump others?.[/QUOTE] They shouldn't and that isn't what anyone has suggested. All votes should count equally.[/QUOTE]
They are counted equally. CA and NY went to Hillary, since she got more votes in those states, DUH
If Hillary won and Trump got the popular vote would you be arguing the same?
If Obama won but Romney got the popular vote would you be arguing the same?
Of course you wouldn't.
If Apple paid as much attention to it's core business as it does to human rights/sexes/equalty we would all be happy
If Apple paid as much attention to it's core business as it does to human rights/sexes/equalty we would all be happy
Well said, brother
Trying to stay out of this debate for the most part, but I don't understand this argument. California is a physically bigger state, why should they be punished for that? Do their voters deserve less than 1 vote because they live in a bigger state? It seems to me, the most fair way to elect is to choose the candidate that most Americans vote for. Every single American citizen deserves an equal vote to every other. I don't have a problem with the outcome this year, even though I didn't vote for the guy, so this is not me complaining.
Durrr...They are not counted equally nationally. What are you even arguing? That is the whole point of the EC system you're defending -- that votes in populous states count less than votes in rural states.
My question is: now that the country is so deeply divided between the economically productive, liberal, and highly populated states and the rest of the states...how long do you think the majority will continue to stand for it? You think it will go on forever? It won't.
So the math said that if you removed California from the popular vote equation, Trump won both the popular and electoral.
How long do you imagine the entire rest of the country would stand while their votes are devalued as 2-3 states in the country determine our presidential races?
This is why Trump is president. Enough people are sick and tired of political correctness and "fairness" and "equality" being legislated and crammed down everyone's throats. They can't be. They're social constructs. They don't exist in nature and they will never exist in society. Someone's entitlement is always someone else's burden.
I don't care if someone is gay, bi or straight but this transgender nonsense has gone too far in my opinion. I'm 25 and I'm not going to tell my future kids it's normal or OK to be transgender, gay or bi no problem. My bisexual girlfriend feels exactly the same way. People who feel this way in my opinion need psychological help, not drugs and reassignment surgery, to me its in the same category who feel like they want a limb cut off or something. Also I wish Apple focused on products and not this nonsense.
They shouldn't and that isn't what anyone has suggested. All votes should count equally.[/QUOTE]
They are counted equally. CA and NY went to Hillary, since she got more votes in those states, DUH
If Hillary won and Trump got the popular vote would you be arguing the same?
If Obama won but Romney got the popular vote would you be arguing the same?
Of course you wouldn't.[/QUOTE]
No, they weren't counted at all. The electoral college is a 'winner-take-all'. Nobody represented the minority votes in a state. Like I said before, CA and NY had Trump voters too but their votes did not help at all. If you spread the population of voters evenly throughout the country, I'm 90% sure, Trump would still lose the popular vote.
Actually I complained about the electoral college long before this election happened.
I would still complain and you probably would as well.
That's not "devaluation", that's 1 vote per citizen determining the outcome. It's the opposite of devaluation.
This is why so man R voters stayed home in those states. It's a two way street. Here in California we basically have a one party system now. In only a few districts do R voters even have a voice. Do to a Democrat trick to nullify the primary, we had two D candidates running for Senate, a super majority in the state houses through gerimandering, no gubernatorial election, and because of the electoral system, no chance an R presidential vote would count.
That severely skewed the vote total. Add in the Trump didn't campaign here because there was no point, and there were no Trump ads on TV, and it means the popular vote total in ca was nothing more than a way to award HRC 55 EVs. It did not indicate much more than that.
Here's an inconvenient fact: HRC did not win the popular vote either. At least, not by majority. A majority of voters voted for someone else! So claiming she "won" is hollow. In a state like Louisiana and many other true democracies, there would have been a runoff so that no one person wins without a majority.
That severely skewed the vote total. Add in the Trump didn't campaign here because there was no point, and there were no Trump ads on TV, and it means the popular vote total in ca was nothing more than a way to award HRC 55 EVs. It did not indicate much more than that.
Here's an inconvenient fact: HRC did not win the popular vote either. At least, not by majority. A majority of voters voted for someone else! So claiming she "won" is hollow. In a state like Louisiana and many other true democracies, there would have been a runoff so that no one person wins without a majority.
Yeah. Fairness and equality. The horror of it all.
Best not light a match around that strawman.
Best not light a match around that strawman.
Here's what I learned about 30 years ago, in Germany, where you had about zero political correctness at that time: Clearly a transgender person has a medical or psychological problem. And since about everyone in Germany has health insurance, they have a right to have that medical or psychological problem fixed.
The first and obvious step in fixing the problem is to determine what is wrong: The mind or the body. And the consensus in the German medical community for 30 years or more is (a) if you define it as a psychological problem, then there is no known way to fix that psychological problem without causing more damage than the original problem. (b) if you could "fix" this "psychological problem" without significant damage (and you can't), it would be such a massive change to the personality that you would have a different person - ethically totally unacceptable. Therefore, the problem is not the mind, but the body. And that can be fixed reasonably well. Whether that trump asshat likes it or not.
In what way am i proving anyone's point? did you read what i wrote? apparently not. I am well aware that most religions feel it is acceptable to discriminate against my community. that is not acceptable to me. Those were the two points I made. There is nothing "hilarious" or "hypocritical" about any of my statements.
That's a very reasonable point of view, and therefore unacceptable to many people.
I am for a leading company to speak out, but it would be nice to include specific policies that Apple is against instead of raising some fluffy platitude about how everyone should be treated equally. Most of us agree on that point but may disagree with methods (desegregation, busing kids across town to good schools instead of improving low performing urban schools, transgendered bathrooms, special considerations for admittance into college, etc)
While that is an actual medical condition, that is NOT something that affects most transgender people. Get serious.
Most transgender people are people who "feel" or "believe" that they want to be, actually are (despite the genitals they were born with), or should have been the other gender and then take steps to make changes to their bodies in order to become that gender.
Islam is actually very welcoming to the T of the LGBT community (some backward people excepted). Perhaps too welcoming; if you are a G then they may suggest that you turn into a T, and then having sex with men is perfectly acceptable. Well, not with men, with one man that you are married to.
Apart from that, sure traditional Islam is in some ways way behind western civilisations - but surely that wouldn't be how you would measure yourself? I've heard people in discussions really say more or less that as long as the USA are not worse than Syria, North Korea, China etc. everything is fine. Which I find quite unacceptable.
I completely agree. As a citizen of a country, the most important responsibility is to vote. All these people who are crying that Hillary lost are the ones didn't go to vote because they couldn't convince themselves to vote for Hillary. And now they blame it on political system. The political system has been there for hundreds of years. Why suddenly it's a problem. I think the current political system is the perfect balance and fair. Otherwise, we would be seeing only California and New York selecting our president forever!
Are you kidding me. We are talking about freaking bathrooms. BATHROOMS. There isn't a thread of hate in believing that if you have a penis, you use the men's restroom. And the opposite for women. It is delusional to call that belief "discriminatory, prejudice, hateful," etc. Give me a break.
And why is Apple getting in the middle of this? Another poster said (and I agree with this) that Apple needs to stay out of this mess. Conservative, Democrat, doesn't matter. Apple should make products, not political statements -- a notion that Steve Jobs subscribed to.
And why is Apple getting in the middle of this? Another poster said (and I agree with this) that Apple needs to stay out of this mess. Conservative, Democrat, doesn't matter. Apple should make products, not political statements -- a notion that Steve Jobs subscribed to.
True. And he does not rail against Foxconn about the work environment.
I can't tell if this a joke post or not.
Why would Apple release a product and then speak about its shortcomings?