So wait...your girlfriend is bisexual yet you are saying transgender people need psychological help? Wow. Considering the discrimination that bisexual people have experienced you should know better.
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So wait...your girlfriend is bisexual yet you are saying transgender people need psychological help? Wow. Considering the discrimination that bisexual people have experienced you should know better.
In most public accommodations I've used, that's exactly what goes on. I've come out of stalls and seen men in heels and dresses putting on makeup. I washed my hands and went on my way. No big deal. I've seen teenaged boys in there accompanied by moms or sisters or female friends. Again, not a huge deal.
Where it gets complicated is in schools, and that's probably why it's now imperative to address the issue, as more and more students are starting to live openly as transgendered. A lot of different and varied kinds of assaults, sexual and otherwise, happens in school bathrooms, most of it due to bullying. I hear it can be really bad now.
It wasn't great in my day, either. But I hear about the intensity of persecution now and wonder how things managed to get worse, not better.
There was a transgendered kid in my junior high in the late 1970's. He was a boy physically, but he wore spaghetti strapped cocktail dresses that none of us girls would dare wear to school on a regular day and he said he thought of himself as a girl, though for whatever reasons he was fine with us referring to him with male pronouns. He was very much loved and protected by us girls. But I don't kid myself that his experience of being loved and protected was a common one or that he continued to enjoy the same protections and high regard throughout his life.
What's going on is that transitioning from living as one gender to another isn't something that happens overnight. As one forum member pointed out pages and many posts ago, it involves physical changes, lifestyle changes, and legal changes that can take years to accomplish.
The legal aspect varies from state to state and therein lies the frustration for many that this issue can't easily be permanently solved with an executive order and the changes made uniform from state to state. I think it's on the horizon to make the changes uniform across the country, but not the way our previous president accomplished it. And he just applied it to bathrooms. Transgendered people need better than that. They need to be able to have all aspects of their legal existence more easily and readily updated to match their gender transition. Even if they stop short of reassignment surgery.
Some people do stop just short of surgery for health reasons or financial reasons. They need their rights to be free from harm or prosecution (for using the bathroom they feel the safest in) safeguarded. Unfortunately even some of us who agree on that basic premise disagree on how that is best accomplished.
At some point I think we just need to retrofit schools with a neutral bathroom and shower facilities to accommodate anyone who has different needs, be it for a disability or an unresolved physical gender.
Businesses will likely do it on their own. Most are, already. The ones that don't, likely can't, for example some businesses in old buildings are grandfathered into keeping outdated facilities that don't adequately accommodate wheelchairs and walkers...until they make changes that trigger the ADA requirements.
Getting back to Tim Cook, a lot of us are with him on taking a stand as an individual, as a citizen, and an influential one at that. But he's mixing Apple up into a matter where Apple as a global corporation seems fine and dandy to operate in countries that oppress the rights Apple is making a stand on here. And neither Tim nor Apple says or does as thing to speak out for the oppressed in those countries. If Apple stands for these civil rights here it must stand for them everywhere it has a significant presence. Doing otherwise is hypocrisy.
I appreciate the agreement. I think there are so many problems in the world, one of them being when the significant minority portion of the population looks to dictate and change how the majority of the population thinks, acts, works. Understanding is one thing, but trying to create laws to make a small business restaurant add a 3rd gender neutral bathroom is going a little too far. And yes, that's a proposal I've seen on the table a lot.
It is funny how I get asked to be understanding, peaceful, cooperative, loving, and gushy towards those that are and think differently than I, but go out and tell someone you voted for or support Trump, or ask someone to give Trump a chance and see how peaceful, cooperative, loving, and gushy they get towards you. Lots of double standards in this country, it's not just one side of the fence drawing that divide.
You mutve read only the first article.
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Most of the undocumented immigrants are concentrated in large urban areas which voted for Clinton over Trump
I agree with you to a point. I think Tim as a human being with certain values needs to speak up against those countries on his own time and make it clear he is speaking for himself.
Where it gets complicated is how he as a CEO, with a legal fiduciary responsibility to stockholders, positions Apple. Tim has said he believes a corporation should have values. I think that would be lovely. I think it would be lovely if Apple and every other business helmed by people with any sense of human rights would back out of places like China or Dubai until they stop arresting people just for being gay or in the case of Dubai, rape victims lacking the proper number of male witnesses to speak up for them. I think it would be lovely if the people who are moms and dads who head up Monsanto would stop and say we need to back off producing products that may be causing harm to our people and our environment and our future.
But is that a realistic wish of mine? Given the harsh reality that CEOs are but figureheads whose real bosses are investors?
People who want Apple to take a stand here don't wish for something bad. Or wish for the wrong reasons. We just need to be realistic about what's going on. What Apple taking a stand in this instance means...and doesn't mean.
Maybe what we really need to re-examine is the laws and legal decisions that put profits above humanity. If we can reverse that, then it will mean something to say a corporation has values.
Right now a corporation only has the values that won't hurt its stock value.
Quoting a right wing nut job site that proclaims something is not evidence. If you can't provide something that would hold up in court, then you aren't providing anything at all. Just smoke.
You cannot provide hard evidence because there isn't any. Come back when you actually have some real hard numbers and real hard proof. Not estimates. Not hopes and wishes. Not claims. But actual evidence that would stand up in a court of law.
Glad trump is focusing on the important issues
At the same time I'm getting a little tired of Apple giving their input on issues like this.
Is the important issues along the line with "Alt-Rights" and "Enrich myself and other billionaires" ?
Because that is all he is doing.
GWB won 44% of Latino vote in 2004 and you heard none of these conspiracy theories about voter fraud.
This is just another way to dehumanize a group of people and drive a wedge. Keep believing what you want, but mass voter fraud is a cooked up fairy tale. Didn't happen in 2004. Didn't happen in 2016.
Well, the MacBook Pro 2016 has been selling so well according to Apple, so it must be what the Mac community wants
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Exactly. I, a straight adult male, don't have the right to go into a restroom full of girls and women and expect them to think it's totally normal. I don't have that right, nor do I have any desire or expectation to have that right. But I guess if I tell them "Don't worry, ladies, I'm transgender", that's somehow supposed to make it alright?
Dont need to 'do math', just need to be able to read what you wrote. "He won in three states by a number so small they could all fit into the Rose Bowl stadium with room to spare." No math required just reading comprehension.
And IF those states where he won the mere 304 EC votes were won by Hillary he would not have won either so whats your point? IF the 5,946,455 votes that folks who voted for the other candidates Stein and Johnson, neither of who has a chance in hell, had voted for Trump that would have added another 5,946,455 votes for him so would have had popular and EC. IF...IF... So no, simply flipping those 3 states is NOT the only reason he won, you have to count all the other states he won as well.
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Tim Cook should focus his extra time on truly improving the Macintosh.
Yeah, 1888 was the previous time this happened, prior to Gore when Grover Cleveland won the popular vote by a narrow margin of slightly more than 90,000 votes. Even Gore only received about 544,000 more votes than Bush. This margin of victory, still resulting in an electoral vote loss is historic. In the 5 times through history, that this has happened, it has never been a Republican winning the popular vote, but loosing the electoral vote. In the first instance all candidates identified as Democratic-Republican Party.
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How in the world can you be born with the wrong body. Liberals will say ANYTHING these days just to cause a stir.
What's next? I was born on the wrong planet and I actually belong on mars?
Yeah I mean I don't get how people can claim to be the wrong gender. That's like a white guy saying I was born the wrong ethnicity I'm actually black.
Is it me or have liberals gone nuts?
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Whatever, more people still wanted someone else besides Trump.
Sucks for them
Regarding your signature line which reads, "remember Bowling Green, remember Sweden"...
Yes, I do remember Trump recently making a comment about "what is going on in Sweden". Here is an example of the type of violence he was talking about, it has been going on for a couple of years and it is
"The situation in the gang-controlled no-go zones of Sweden is deteriorating rapidly. Following the police report conceding the areas to the primarily Muslim immigrant gangs, the Swedish ambulance union is now demanding military grade protection gear to enter the no-go zones."
http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/14/m...-terrorize-55-neighborhoods-police-powerless/
As for Kellyanne Conway (not Trump) mistakenly saying Bowling Green when she meant another University in Ohio, I don't consider that any worse of a mistake than when Obama claimed to have campaigned in 57 states (link below). Virtually everyone who speaks frequently in front of cameras makes mistakes but it seems those mistakes are only newsworthy if they are made by Republicans.