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No, it would not be normal for you as a straight non-transgender male to be in a woman's restroom. However, it is for this person to be:

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Wow. Again? You still don't get it? The margin of victory and where his win came from was specifically those states. Red states were already voting for him..duh. And blue states mostly were voting blue. But where Trump made a difference was by flipping three normally blue states to red. That is where his victory came from. 77,000 people in three normally blue states.
You are right I don't get it. How you either cannot or refuse to understand how the election process works in this country. Trump won the election based on the laws governing the election for 200 yrs period. No amount of your wishing or wanting to change the rules THIS TIME or IF this or IF that it is going to make a difference. And why would the "red states were already voting for him" be considered? Why would some of those not change over if he was not wanted? And not to mention there were states that reported more votes than they had people alive to vote. A whole other issue/topic. It simply a fact that Hillary lost because she was a horrible choice. You think Trump is horrible yet he won over Hillary, so how bad must she have had to be to have lost to such a horrible President Trump? Think about that :) Bottom line it doesn't really matter, 3 states or 32 states, he won the election against all odds.
 
All of the things going on in our country and your main concern is the refresh cycle of the Mac Pro?

In this moment they're being exactly the company I want them to be.

What things? He needs a Mac Pro to help contribute to make America Great Again.. At least he wants to work and not marching for things that hasn't happen...
 
Had the moon been made of bleu cheese, we could all have sandwiches. But the fact is, those 77,000 DID vote for Trump.
And no one is disputing that. Just like when conservatives talk about "if you take California out" when talking about Hillary's popular vote win. Well, California DID vote. So then not happy with that answer, conservatives then attempt to delegitimize 3 million votes by calling them illegal votes with absolutely zero proof. Hmmm....the same number that Hillary won by are all illegal? What a coincidence! Conservatives just cannot accept that the majority of people rejected their candidate and did not want him.

And bleu cheese sandwiches? Ewwwww. :D
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You are right I don't get it. How you either cannot or refuse to understand how the election process works in this country.

Where did I say that I don't understand it? I understand quite well. Better than you do it would seem since you refuse to understand and acknowledge where Trump's victory was. The red states and blue states are for the most part a given. When is the last time Hawaii voted for a Republican president? When's the last time Texas voted for a Democrat president? There are reliably blue and reliably red states. Trump flipped three. Quite an accomplishment. But he did it with only 77,000 votes. These are indisputable facts.
 
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That's a ridiculous comparison. States rights has always been a cornerstone of our republic and it's slowly being chipped away at stupid things like this bathroom crap. Nobody is being burned at the stake, nobody is being put into slavery. Equating this to human rights is just idiotic and stupid. Just go into the damn bathroom, do your business and get the hell out. The sign on the door is just a sign. That's it! How hard is that?
should we drink from separate fountains? Should we not be allowed to marry who we want? Should be be fired from our jobs? Where do you think this ends? Because I know that this is the first shot by this administration, and republicans in general, at stripping the entire LGBT community of our rights. We've seen it time and time again. Are you a psychiatrist or a biologist? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? If i had a special power it would be the ability to make someone like you walk in another persons shoes for a few days.
 
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Site where he has been discredited.

Politifact: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...picer-wrongly-uses-pew-study-bolster-claim-n/

Jon Husted, Ohio’s Secretary of State and a Republican. National Association of Secretaries of State: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ps-voter-fraud-claims/?utm_term=.2278f3f8151a

If mass fraud were true, then they are implicating Republicans in on the fix. Totally ridiculous.

There's plenty of this outside of Greg Phillips, Alex Jones and InfoWars. There is no mass voter fraud. None, nada, bupkis. People who push this are conspiracy theorists and Alex Jones fits that perfectly.
 
I'm not white, I'm mixed race, and have faced my own share of problems that I'll not sideline the thread with. Also as a female I live all my life with the fear of being targeted for sexual assault and sexism overall and fear the same for transgendered females as well, by the way. That's why I'm not against sharing the ladies room with a transgendered lady. I'm just wishing and hoping for a way to do so in a way that will diminish both our vulnerability to predators. Alas, that "easy way" won't be feasible in every situation.

Anyway...

It's BECAUSE I'm worried that the rights you seek will be overturned with the stroke of a pen, that I don't want to rely on something as flimsy as an executive order to decide these matters.

The black rights you reference have been fought for state by state, over GENERATIONS, to gain the backing and critical mass they needed to become secured in a permanent and enduring basis in our laws up to the federal level. And they are still being firmed up, with much progress left to accomplish. Same as with the rights of the disabled.

That is how our system has worked and how it was designed to work. Our country at its founding was recognized to NOT be one homogeneous population but a coming together of colonies that were diverse in origin and character. Some started as colonies of Catholics fleeing oppression. Or as Protestants doing the same. Some started as commercial ventures.

The system was also designed to let people freely enter and leave the communities that best matched their values and lifestyle choices.

The system was also supposed to be a mixed of populist and elite ideals. Hence the popular vote and the electoral voting system. And it was supposed to take its direction from the people. The chief executive was not meant to dictate to the people. We speak through our elected representatives.

The reason the system seems so effed up is we gave our corporations the rights of people. It has now become "of the lobbysists, by the lobbyists and for the corporations" more than the man or woman on the street, unfortunately.

That's why I really do not like a person conflating their identity with that of a corporation. The corporation has vast wealth and influence at its beck and call. That's all well and good when the corporation has humanitarian values. But what about Nestle? The head of Nestle has embroiled himself and Nestle in a lot of controversy over who has rights to water. What about Monsanto, who routinely tries to trounce the rights of people to be free of GMO garbage in their diets.

Like it or not, the kind of change you seek is a process and takes generations to accomplish. The millennial generation is good at fast tracking change and future generations will be as well, but change is always going to be a messy time consuming business when it involves human beings who are free and not under mind control.

I don't know how old you are but I'm 50 and see the progress LGBT rights have made in my lifetime. It's particularly impressive when you consider how small a percentage of the entire population of the country the LGBT community comprises.

Meanwhile LGBT have been effective at establishing communities, even entire cities supportive to their needs. I should know because I lived in one for many years. It is horrible that people might feel compelled to leave their hometowns to find a compatible environment, but people of all diverse kinds have been doing so since there has been a country. Others choose to fight for change and a place in their community, knowing it will be a hard struggle, but worth it.

If you want the Feds to take power to quickly and cleanly confer rights upon you, fine, but don't be surprised when they take that power and do something you don't agree with. Something horrific.

It's far better to have all of us rise up through our legislators and our courts to ASSERT our human rights. Not beg, bug or bully one President, who may or may not be mentally healthy, to do so for us. And better to do so as people, not corporations. We need to take our personhood back from companies.

"The black rights you reference have been fought for state by state, over GENERATIONS, to gain the backing and critical mass they needed to become secured in a permanent and enduring basis in our laws up to the federal level. And they are still being firmed up, with much progress left to accomplish. Same as with the rights of the disabled."

Excuse me - but why should I have to fight for my rights? Why should I have to suffer under the scorn of a privileged class? Why should I have to open my ***** wallet and hire an army of lawyers every time I want the same basic rights as everyone else? If you think that this is how it should be then you are grossly mistaken. This is not how it should be, this is not what our forefathers wanted. The constitution gives us rights - it's the individual southern states that try to take them away - I'm SO over it. So if an executive order can ease the suffering of a group of people who have been treated in a most horrific manner then so be it - i'll accept it.
 
Uh, no we didn't. Trump lost the popular vote. He won on the technicality of the Electoral College, not because most people wanted him.

Do you believe this? Trump averaging 20,000 people at rallies in Blue and Red states to Hillary's 300? lol.
His insurmountable landslide even trumped (no pun intended) her fixed voter fraud in swing states.

He absolutely won the popular vote. I'm sure there's people on this now covering the angles to correct this.

All of this will come out soon, but you'll plug your ears LA LA LA! CAN'T HEAR YOU!
 
Looking at the presidential election is looking at the small picture. If you step back, you will see that Americans voted Republicans into the house, the senate and almost 2/3s of the governerships.

The American people handed the keys to kingdom to the Republicans. Except they handed the keys to the wrong kind of Republicans - Tea Party nutjobs and Trumpeters. Basically, the country is now being run by anti-education, anti-science, anti-intellectuals.

This is incorrect, and just a fake factoid from VERY fake news you keep getting your information from.

Trump is a libertarian/populist. The only way he could win is running under the Republican ticket. He is fighting the Obama/Hillary moles first, then the McCain's/Paul Ryan scum and then everyone's going to jail. It's all coming.
 
Along with the ones that claim Russia hacked the election.

well duh Russia doesn't appear to have hacked the actual election, that they were involved in helping stale cheeto win is what is usually being debated and doesn't appear the intelligence agencies disagree with that
 
Can you back up that dubious claim with actual facts?
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Yeah, you'll totally need to back that one up or retract the claim.

I don't need to. You won't recognize anything from independent news sources because you're not woke yet. Once you realize they were correct about every single thing being reported from pre-election to now, you'll finally come to this realization. I can't do it for you. You need to enlighten yourself.

Source: Hardcore New York Liberal Leftist 6 months ago: ME
 
Trump is a libertarian/populist. The only way he could win is running under the Republican ticket. He is fighting the Obama/Hillary moles first, then the McCain's/Paul Ryan scum and then everyone's going to jail. It's all coming.
Rotflol. The con man who should be in jail himself for violation of the Cuban embargo among other questionable things is going to jail others? Oh okay. :rolleyes:
 
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I don't need to. You won't recognize anything from independent news sources because you're not woke yet. Once you realize they were correct about every single thing being reported from pre-election to now, you'll finally come to this realization. I can't do it for you. You need to enlighten yourself.

Source: Hardcore New York Liberal Leftist 6 months ago: ME

how much acid did you do in those 6 months?
 
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If the person in that photo was in junior high or high school (which is the real crux of the debate), yes, they should be in the men's room. There's a big difference between a 14 year old who thinks they're transgender and a 30 year old who has actively taken steps to alter their body to assume the opposite gender.
That is exactly what folks here are missing! Sure if a full on transformation has happened absolutely they should visit the appropriate restroom matching their current gender. School age children that are not of age to make that decision should not be exposed. Until they are adults and have the maturity and or authority to make that decision for certain they need to abide to the rules of gender specific restrooms. Obama was an idiot for making this rule for schools in the first place so Trump should rescind it.
 
Should racial equality be left to the states to decide? If it is then my guess is every bigoted Republican southern state would have blacks thrown back into slavery. Human rights issues need to be protected at the Federal level, individual states have proven time and time again that they are incapable of protecting those most vulnarable to attack.

If anyone doesn't like Apple's involvement in human right's issues then you are most welcome to stop buying their products. You'll also have to stop partonizing every other American tech firm as they are all getting on board ( http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-transgender-apple-uber-microsoft-react-235295 ). In my opinion this would be a good thing - If you're a homophobic Republican then stop buying tech and go back to the stone age where you belong.

The bigoted southern states were Democrat.

I don't know a single racists or homophobic Republican. If you check your history the last publicly elected KKK member was a Democrat.

The problem is that people are being fooled by relying on fake hate speech, paid protesters, and completely missing the reality of what Republican's are or stand for. Today's issues are not about racism and gender, but about destroying the country in the name of racism, gender, etc. The laws are clear and one party (Republican) wants to enforce the laws and one party (Democrat) does not. If you want your freedom then you want to be a Republican, if you want the government to tell you when and where you can crap, then you want to be a Democrat. Wake up and read behind the fake news.
 
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If you want your freedom then you want to be a Republican, if you want the government to tell you when and where you can crap, then you want to be a Democrat.

hmmm seems something going on lately directly contradicts this
 
well duh Russia doesn't appear to have hacked the actual election, that they were involved in helping stale cheeto win is what is usually being debated and doesn't appear the intelligence agencies disagree with that
Yep, the people that believe they helped is a mental illness.
 
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Again, no proof. Produce it from some reputable org or ****.
You guys keep disputing any "proof" that anyone provides, how about if you provide proof that it DIDN'T happen.
And no one is disputing that. Just like when conservatives talk about "if you take California out" when talking about Hillary's popular vote win. Well, California DID vote. So then not happy with that answer, conservatives then attempt to delegitimize 3 million votes by calling them illegal votes with absolutely zero proof. Hmmm....the same number that Hillary won by are all illegal? What a coincidence! Conservatives just cannot accept that the majority of people rejected their candidate and did not want him.

And bleu cheese sandwiches? Ewwwww. :D
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Where did I say that I don't understand it? I understand quite well. Better than you do it would seem since you refuse to understand and acknowledge where Trump's victory was. The red states and blue states are for the most part a given. When is the last time Hawaii voted for a Republican president? When's the last time Texas voted for a Democrat president? There are reliably blue and reliably red states. Trump flipped three. Quite an accomplishment. But he did it with only 77,000 votes. These are indisputable facts.
Just like the liberals cannot accept the fact that their candidate actually lost the election? Sorta like like that huh?

Don't have to say it it is clear by your posts. I don't care if it was by one vote, he won period. 3 states, 32 states, 77,000 votes or 1 vote, Trump won the election Hillary did not. Get over it, enough said on this topic.
 
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If you check your history the last publicly elected KKK member was a Democrat.

Though he has flipped back and forth between the parties, David Duke was a former one-term Republican Louisiana State Representative in 1989. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dav..._in_special_election_for_Louisiana_House_seat

What Democrat were you referring to?
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You guys keep disputing any "proof" that anyone provides, how about if you provide proof that it DIDN'T happen.

The burden of proof is on the one claiming the election results are wrong. So make your case.

Don't have to say it it is clear by your posts. I don't care if it was by one vote, he won period. 3 states, 32 states, 77,000 votes or 1 vote, Trump won the election Hillary did not. Get over it, enough said on this topic.

Duh. Everyone knows who won. :rolleyes: By 77,000 votes.
 
Just like the liberals cannot accept the fact that their candidate actually lost the election? Sorta like like that huh?
I accept that my candidate lost. I don't accept conspiracy theories of 3 million illegal votes. Trump won the election, but it appears he's having a more difficult time than any liberal accepting the results of the election. He won, received nearly three million votes less. It's over. Time to govern, right?
 
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