Apple Speaks Out Against Trump Order to Rescind Protections for Transgender Students

[Snoopy4]

Welcome to fact free America. It starts from the top in Washington and is literally the new norm.

I know right. I mean who'd have thought someone would claim one day that Bill Clinton actually had a majority of the electorate vote for him when they did not. This whole alternate fact thing is off the rails.
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Thank you for getting it. How the HELL did we end up here as a society? men who feel they are women and vice-versa? HUH? What? How the fu.....? Whats next? How do we prove or know its not being faked to gain an advantage of some sort of to act out some sexual fantasy? We dont and cant. Just great.

I cannot believe the apologists in this thread defending this goofy crap. Its like REALLY?

I'm going to wake up tomorrow and declare my canine status.
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So you're saying there was voter fraud in Michigan? Trump didn't win Michigan?

Sorry if that's what you are saying you'll need some proof. That state is run by a Republican governor. I don't hear him making the claim you are. Now why would that be?

I would agree there was voter fraud in Michigan, in Wayne County specifically. Which favored Hillary by about 37 points.

 

[jblagden]

who **** on your early bird special?

Age-ism!

 

[uknowimright]

Age-ism!

Oh my bad wouldn't want to hurt a snowflakes feelings

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

Okay. I really don't want men in the woman's room...no matter what you call yourself.

So you want this person using the men's room then? Really?

But half of eligible voters chose not to participate in the process entirely. So, your assessment is still falling short like Hillary's abysmal campaign

Irrelevant as that was not my point. My point still stands, the majority of people did not want Trump, thus the statement that "Americans wanted Trump" or anything similar is bogus and an "alternative fact" put forth by Trump supporters who cannot accept the fact that they elected an unpopular president elected by a minority of people. I get hat they want their guy to be popular and to have craft the narrative that everyone wanted him, but that's inaccurate at best.

Just because you and many liberals don't like the results of an election doesn't mean the system is flawed or doomed. The system still works perfectly fine. It just means you're having a tough time accepting the recent results because it was a "guaranteed win" for so many and you don't like the guy who won. Liberals can sit around pouting and whining for 4 years or they can accept the results and move on for 2020 and make the best of the time until then.

If things stay and get more and more divisive where do you think that leads? Hmmm? And no, a system that allows a corrupt con man to take office is most assuredly not working perfectly fine.

So, are you saying a person/company can only make critical comments about their home country? That is a bit out there.

It's the polite thing for a company to do. Would you like your neighbors issuing critical comments about what goes on inside your house? Seems pretty out there if you do.

Yes but taking a piss has little to do with education.

Spoken by someone who isn't being discriminated against.

The overwhelming majority of them where illegal aliens so what is your point

So, I am going to go through and report every post making that claim in this thread, because unsubstantiated claims of fraud violate the rules of this forum. Tired of it. If you've got evidence, present it. But since no one does, you can't and won't. Thus the claim need to stop being made until such evidence presents itself.

If the child is pretending to be a different gender, I sure they have a lot bigger things to worry about than where to pee.
Oh, and I was the token fat kid science nerd in grade school, so I'm well aware of the joys of public school for the kid that stands out, thanks.

Pretending? No. Like so many other people in this thread, some education on transgender people needs to be done.

 

[jblagden]

Oh my bad wouldn't want to hurt a snowflakes feelings

I was being sarcastic. It looked like you were on the side of the transgenders, in which case, you'd be the snowflake. I was just making fun of the snowflakes by using one of their insults against them.

 

[bopajuice]

Why do people like you try to make simple things complex?? Boys are boys, girls are girls. Gender IS plain and simple. It's not a debate, it's a fact. If someone "identifies" as a different gender than the one he/she actually is, then that person has the problem.

My god if life were so simplistic you would be very wealthy with your "insight". Being gay, lesbian or transgender is not a choice where they choose to "identify" with a certain gender. If sticking your head in the sand helps you deal with this fine.

As the father of a gay child I can assure you this is not something he choose to identify with at random. The signs were there pretty early on and I respect his choice. Believe me I knew this would be a hard road for him to follow, but it is not in any way a conscious choice.

Your ignorance is almost offensive.

 

[Snoopy4]

My god if life were so simplistic you would be very wealthy with your "insight". Being gay, lesbian or transgender is not a choice where they choose to "identify" with a certain gender. If sticking your head in the sand helps you deal with this fine.

As the father of a gay child I can assure you this is not something he choose to identify with at random. The signs were there pretty early on and I respect his choice. Believe me I knew this would be a hard road for him to follow, but it is not in any way a conscious choice.

Your ignorance is almost offensive.

What's ignorant is saying that transgender is the same as gay, when it's not even remotely the same. Transgender requires one to deny their physical attributes. If I claimed I was a dog or a horse knowing full well I'm not I'd get locked up.

 

[uknowimright]

What's ignorant is saying that transgender is the same as gay, when it's not even remotely the same. Transgender requires one to deny their physical attributes. If I claimed I was a dog or a horse knowing full well I'm not I'd get locked up.

yet you claim to be Snoopy? hmm....

 

[Snoopy4]

yet you claim to be Snoopy? hmm....

You claim to be right. Hmm.

 

[germinator]

I'm not going to debate whether or not Apple adequately funds causes because we don't have the data, but I will suggest that talk is likely very expensive. I imagine making statements that go against the grain of nearly 50% of voters in the general election isn't the best for business.

First, it wasn't 50%. Trump lost the popular vote by some 2.5 millions votes. That's a LARGE margin.

You make the mistake of thinking that those who voted for Trump also support such extremist move. That's far from the truth.

 

[Snoopy4]

First, it wasn't 50%. Trump lost the popular vote by some 2.5 millions votes. That's a LARGE margin.

You make the mistake of thinking that those who voted for Trump also support such extremist move. That's far from the truth.

And said margin was derived from one state.

 

[bopajuice]

What's ignorant is saying that transgender is the same as gay, when it's not even remotely the same. Transgender requires one to deny their physical attributes. If I claimed I was a dog or a horse knowing full well I'm not I'd get locked up.

Yet they continue to get lumped together.

 

[charlituna]

Here we go again. Stick to making consumer products.

I bet you are one of those folks that says that actors etc should shut up and just entertain you. forgetting that folks voted a celebrity into office.

Personally I would rather give my business to a company that gives a damn about more than just profit. Especially when that company is run by a gay man, with resident aliens etc on their staff at all levels.

 

[Snoopy4]

I bet you are one of those folks that says that actors etc should shut up and just entertain you. forgetting that folks voted a celebrity into office.

Personally I would rather give my business to a company that gives a damn about more than just profit. Especially when that company is run by a gay man, with resident aliens etc on their staff at all levels.

LOL. Apple gives a damn about more than just profit. Seriously, that made me laugh.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

And said margin was derived from one state.

Trump's margin was derived from a football stadium's worth of people. So, your point?

 

[charlituna]

Why are Americans complaining about Donald Trump? They clearly wanted this guy as president

Try again. Trump won via the Electoral College. If it were not for that possibly outdated mechanism he wouldn't have won.
When it comes to the actual vote by the populace it breaks down to

Trump 62,985,106
Clinton 65,853,625
Others 8,261,498
total VOTES 137,100,229
do the math. Trump only won 45.94% of the votes. but for the 2016 election there were 200,081,300 registered voters. So you add that to the mix and that's only 31.48% of the population. however there's another approximately 21 million American adults that are eligible who haven't even bothered to register. So add them to the mix and that's 28.49% of the adult citizens.

so how exactly did we 'clearly want' him as President.

 

[chr1s60]

If things stay and get more and more divisive where do you think that leads? Hmmm? And no, a system that allows a corrupt con man to take office is most assuredly not working perfectly fine.

There are numerous reasons the country is divided and if you think it started with Trump, you're blind. It's been getting worse for years now. And once again, not liking or supporting the person that wins an election doesn't make it's a flawed system. That's a childish view, no different than saying a sports league is rigged because your team lost.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

There are numerous reasons the country is divided and if you think it started with Trump, you're blind. It's been getting worse for years now. And once again, not liking or supporting the person that wins an election doesn't make it's a flawed system. That's a childish view, no different than saying a sports league is rigged because your team lost.

Swoosh...right over the head. It's not about "team sports". Seriously get your head out of that mindset because that is not where I am coming from. I would consider Trump corrupt, mentally ill, incompetent at times and unfit for office if he had ran as an independent. I would have considered him corrupt, mentally ill, incompetent at times and unfit for office if he had ran as a member of the Green Party. Or the Democrat party. Or literally any other party you could name. It really doesn't matter. Corrupt and nutty is still corrupt and nutty no matter what little letter you want to put in front of his name.

It is an absolute failure of our system that someone so crooked, so inexperienced and with so many weird narrsistic mental issues (and without a grip on reality) could make it through. There simply are not enough checks and balances in the process and the ones we have utterly failed. Mike Pence? Sure. Ted Cruz? Okay. Most of the Republican field would have been competent leaders. But instead, Trump got elected. Our founders are likely rolling in their graves.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

That won't work in NC. The law (as I understand it) there is that if you were born with a Penis but now have a Vagina you MUST by LAW go into the one marker PENIS.
That is just not right. My partner got hers removed almost 20 years ago. The last thing I want is for her to have to use a male restroom. She could use it and get assaulted (or worse) or not use it and after arrest get sent to a MALE facility.
What are her chances of getting out of there alive eh?
See, it is not simple. That is why we won't be visiting her kin in Nebraska for the forseeable future.

For the majority it's simple. There's no solution that one could think of that's going to cater to every single person's situation.

 

[unobtainium]

As clearly pointed out, Clinton never had the majority of people vote for him. He never exceeded 50%. That is fact.

Whoever receives the largest percentage of votes wins the "popular vote." Sorry, but you don't get to make up your very own special new definition.

And again, Bill Clinton won the popular vote. Only 5 people have become president without winning the popular vote in history: Trump, George W. Bush, and three in the 1800s...
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Along with the ones that claim Russia hacked the election.

Uh...you mean like the FBI, CIA, NSA, and half of the Republican-controlled Congress? Yeah, those nutjobs..

 

[Zombie Acorn]

Someone give a Mac Pro to a transgender kid, then maybe Apple will care about it again.

 

[konqerror]

Under exactly what circumstances would someone authorized to know a student's name under FERPA need to disclose a name to someone not authorized under FERPA? Last I checked, teachers aren't supposed to mention a student by name to anyone outside work (save for parents/guardians) for any reason. Even if an instance isn't illegal, it's viewed as deeply unprofessional. But y'know.

Incorrect. The Government answers this question for you.
https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/mndirectoryinfo.html

Another example would be calling on somebody in class or taking attendance. Disclosing to other students one's name versus something like their grade on an assignment, the latter being prohibited.

 

[SeaFox]

Fact Check: The US is a "republic" and not a "democracy". We have an electoral college so that heavily populated areas like California won't outweigh smaller but just as important States like New Hampshire or Massachusetts

California: 54 delegates.
NH + MA combined: 15 delegates.

I'm laughing over here... and I'm in a state with only 4 votes.

Why should people have their individual vote count less because they happen to live in a heavily populated state?
If more Americans are in California, California should get a larger number of votes. The electoral college is an unnecessary layer of abstraction between the voters and the election. There would be no need to adjust the disbursement in delegate votes from population shifts if the voters were just speaking directly.

Liberals can sit around pouting and whining for 4 years or they can accept the results and move on for 2020 and make the best of the time until then.

I don't identify myself as a "Liberal" but I wanted to reply to this. I'm looking forward to the next four years. Why? Because the Republicans are in complete control. That means Fox News can clam up with scapegoating the Democrats. You guys got your Hairpiece President and Republican-controlled Congress. The ball is in your court now. You have no one to blame but yourselves if things don't work out

As Spider-Man's uncle, Ben Parker, once said "With great power, comes great responsibility."

The overwhelming majority of them where illegal aliens so what is your point.

Holy hyperbole Batman! Do you have a source for that info?

 

[Snoopy4]

Whoever receives the largest percentage of votes wins the "popular vote." Sorry, but you don't get to make up your very own special new definition.

And again, Bill Clinton won the popular vote. Only 5 people have become president without winning the popular vote in history: Trump, George W. Bush, and three in the 1800s...
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Uh...you mean like the FBI, CIA, NSA, and half of the Republican-controlled Congress? Yeah, those nutjobs..

Need a rehash on the electoral college? Sounds like it's giving you difficulty. "Popular Vote" doesn't have any relevance. Popular and Majority are also two things. Use of a popular vote would be disasterous.

 

[coolbreeze]

We should never dissuade people from standing up for what they believe in, even if it runs counter to our own opinions. That's what America was founded on. We can't give in to the idea that everyone needs to accept whatever they're told and to be quiet.

I disagree with several people in this thread, but I'd never tell them that their opinion doesn't matter.

Apple, Inc. is a publicly traded corporation. Kinda important thing to mention. It's not Tim's political soapbox, Inc.