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Yeah, just no. You must not work in a Fortune 100 company. Lots of ideas, problem solving, relationship building, and innovation result from unplanned conversation.

Many employees need supervision. Many jobs require more teamwork and in person discussions. Sure, you can email, ping people, or Zoom…but you’ll only do those when you have to.

I do a very complex finance role for a Fortune10 company. While I can “do” my job at home and have done so for the last 15 months, I can easily see the problems with being at home all the time.
"Many employees need supervision. Many jobs require more teamwork and in person discussions. Sure, you can email, ping people, or Zoom…but you’ll only do those when you have to."

Distrust. Plain and simple.
 
So they brought work and stress into their home and now want this permanently as a benefit? Cant understand your point here. If Apple had to close, they would have stopped mailing pay checks, so the first one hurt are the employees.
Some people adapted better than others. Going back to the office should 100% be the choice of the employee. New employees should receive the choice as well.

Companies had record profits over the past year while employees were working from home. The request for the return to the office is a demonstration of power, not a business decision. They want to show that they are still in control, but they are not. Nor should they be.

Had the employees gone on strike during the transition out of the office most of these companies would have folded. Apple likely would have survived, because they are sitting on treasury, but most would have gone under.

The point is, if people want to work from home then they earned the right to do so.
 
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Tim: guys we spent 87 billion dollars on this building, now haul your asses back in here.

Tim didn't say that and Apple doesn't think that way. It's called "sunk cost fallacy", and if Apple really believed in it, they would have cancelled iPhone so as to not cannibalize iPod sales.

Your low-quality low-effort post is a disgrace to yourself. You can do better.
 
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"Many employees need supervision. Many jobs require more teamwork and in person discussions. Sure, you can email, ping people, or Zoom…but you’ll only do those when you have to."

Distrust. Plain and simple.
Welcome to corporate America and human nature.
 
Good for them. Every employee should be able to work remotely if they want to. It's 2021, not 1971. There's no excuse for it other than executive distrust and control issues.
The letter employees signed on the dotted line. They agreed to the terms of employment and any other addendums to said agreement that have happened since. The letter employees seem to be confusing making suggestions to policy versus trying to dictate their policy to the employer.

In my opinion, the new directive is fair and is a part of employee accountability. It appears the letter employees don't want to be held accountable under the same terms as other employees. I think that kind of attitude should not be rewarded in any way by Apple. I think the letter employees should be given a new directive which is show up to work under the new liberal guidelines or be fired.
 
For many MANY roles today, there's absolutely no reason to need an employee to be physically at a geographic location to do their job.
Define many, many. Which companies, how big, what do they do, positions, roles?

All the above is, is a generalization based on some preconceived notions without understanding the totality of it.
 
Unbelievable. The entitlement our country feels is out of this world. It needs to end. You get paid to go to work. Go the fck to work.

'I have to choose between my family and happiness and blah blah' ... How about just have better time management?

This kind of attitude makes me not want to be an Apple consumer.
 
Strikes me as incredibly generous actually.

I think the only odd part was the specific days (mon, tue, thurs was it?). I could see them being a little more flexible, subject to managers’ approvals, etc. Everything else seems pretty flexible. Some job functions need to be there more. Some don’t.

I can’t imagine doing CPU design long-term remotely - we had very small teams (AMD had maybe 20 core folks on a chip, compared to, what, 500 at intel?), and the only way that worked is we could walk to a neighboring cubicle and jot stuff on a whiteboard, or look over each other’s shoulders at a netlist, or yell “hey, Cheryl, the router is doing something dumb here, can you give me a hand?” and know that Cheryl would be right over. Or, when I was in charge of EDA, I could sit with users and see the problems they had - I recall one of the first tools I wrote with a colleague, when I wasn’t even responsible for EDA. It was a layout viewer. One “customer” complained it always crashed when he tried to select a region. We couldn’t figure it out. It was only by sitting with him and watching him do it that I realized he was selecting from lower right to upper left, and us dummies (who had never really even written a single piece of software before) always assumed that the delta-x and delta-y would be positive.

Other jobs, like beancounting, bean polishing, bean marketing, and bean juggling, could probably be done with less time in the office.
 
Unbelievable. The entitlement our country feels is out of this world. It needs to end. You get paid to go to work. Go the fck to work.

'I have to choose between my family and happiness and blah blah' ... How about just have better time management?

This kind of attitude makes me not want to be an Apple consumer.

I once had a summer intern demand that we supply a treadmill desk so he/she could exercise while working. Generations are different.
 
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Welcome to corporate America and human nature.
While I may not be currently working for a glorious fortune 500 company as you are, I've been working remotely 100% for years. And when the company's HQ lease was up in NYC this Spring, the company decided to go almost fully remote after having been just as productive (and in many ways MORE productive) during the pandemic.

Corporate America isn't entirely run by insecure, archaic thinkers.
 
Unbelievable. The entitlement our country feels is out of this world. It needs to end. You get paid to go to work. Go the fck to work.

'I have to choose between my family and happiness and blah blah' ... How about just have better time management?

This kind of attitude makes me not want to be an Apple consumer.
Then don't be. Bye.
 
I once had a summer intern demand that we supply a treadmill desk so he/she could exercise while working. Generations are different.
I suspect they asked for one not demanded. But, if they had a valid medical reason or if their job involved sitting all day, then it's a reasonable accommodation.

But your point is valid. Generations are different.
 
Unbelievable. The entitlement our country feels is out of this world. It needs to end. You get paid to go to work. Go the fck to work.

'I have to choose between my family and happiness and blah blah' ... How about just have better time management?

This kind of attitude makes me not want to be an Apple consumer.
Don't let the attitude of a few impudent employees keep you from purchasing quality Apple products. That wouldn't be logical.
 
I suspect they asked for one not demanded. But, if they had a valid medical reason or if their job involved sitting all day, then it's a reasonable accommodation.

But your point is valid. Generations are different.

It was not an accommodation situation, and it was a demand (along the lines of “if you want me to work here, i’ll need …”)
 
MY GOD. They’re not there for the fun of it, they’re being paid so they can bring food to the table and pay their bills. Don’t like it? Just quit and go somewhere else that has the flexibility you want (good luck with that).

They’ll take the money but not the compromises. Unbelievable.
 
I bet a few workers thought they’d move out of the Bay Area and save some money. This was always shortsighted thinking.
 
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Define many, many. Which companies, how big, what do they do, positions, roles?

All the above is, is a generalization based on some preconceived notions without understanding the totality of it.
If I need to define the obvious to you, you're not worth my time.
 
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