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The last iPad I bought, iPad 2, had quite hefty waiting times. I queued to get it on launch day, but it sold out before even half the queue had got theirs (luckily for me, I got one)

that was when few people had one

at this point very few people will be buying one the first day. i will probably buy a refurbished Air with 128GB rather than the new one
 
Um, no it doesn't. Everybody who runs a website has a 'production, and and a 'test' site. All you have to do is put everything up on the test site, test it out then quite literally 'flip the switch'. We were doing this 15+'years ago. If Apple doesn't either have the capability or the knowledge to do it then they really, really need some better staff.

Apparently you haven't used modern cloud infrastructure where there are other considerations. I'm not pretending to know what Apple is doing, just saying there are times when you don't just roll from qa to prod without additional work or overhead - I know because I work with releases on Fortune 500 SaaS solutions.
 
Who else but me has been refreshing since 3:01AM eastern?

Called their store customer support when it opened at 4am eastern and they said their systems were being updated but it should be available "real soon" ugh. 3hrs later called them again and it seemed like they were taking orders till they tried to enter it and no go, at least this one offered to email me when they were.... Now almost 10am eastern and still nothing... Last Ipad I got was Ipad 2 been waiting for an worthy upgrade, this seems to be it, I got the Ipad 2 on first day,hoping for a win on Ipad Air 2 on first day as well......
 
So the iPad mini 3 still has an A7 chip?

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This. There needs to be iPad mini 3 and iPad Air 2 and that's it.

At a push, keep the 16 GB iPad Air 1 and iPad mini 2 to cover a lower price point, but no more.

They do have the 32GB mini 2, with a $150 price down, very good value
 
People who complain about too many different devices remember where there used. For example you see them in healthcare where it might get passed shift to shift and staff member to staff member. A built in ID that only allows for a few users vs dozens, then you have a large system buying them you see why item X is still around
 
May I be the first to welcome you to American culture. I'm going to assume that you are either very young or so stuck in the tech community that you are unfamiliar with outside culture. "Busch League is a well known phrase referencing the old minor league of NASCAR racing sponsored by Busch beer.

Or, you know, maybe they live in one of those hundreds of other countries that aren't the U.S., and thus never heard of NASCAR before your smarm offensive. :rolleyes:
 
I was actually considering getting an iPad Air 2 (would be my first iPad), but after watching the Keynote yesterday I am disappointed in the updates Apple have made this time around. In my opinion these updates Apple have made for the iPad, Mac Mini, & iMac all seem not worth it for me, unfortunately. Paying $2,500 for an entry-level iMac with Retina 5K Display is outrageous!! Apple at least should have made the internal specs for the iMac better to justify that price...
 
Was just going to report this.

About freaking time - I've been refreshing and trying to buy it for the past 2 hours now. I don't want to be one of the people who gets an estimated delivery time of December - my fiancee's birthday is in late November and this is what I plan to get her (she's been asking for one for the past 2 years. I just got a pay raise this year, so now is the time.)

These are relatively minor updates. I'm guessing that there will be plenty of supply. Demand seems to have leveled off.
 
I have to believe that the iPad Mini 3 we got was "Plan B".
I think there must have been a more ambitious update in the works as well but something didn't work out so Apple went with this.

It's not like the mini 3 isn't still a great little tablet. But with such a small update I think they should have knocked the price down. (And made 32 GB the entry-level model, but we knew they weren't going to do that.)

EVERYTHING I'm writing here is speculation. But from following them for the last while I've concluded some things lol:

Didn't Apple do this when they released the iPad 3 with Retina Display and then shortly after released the 4th iPad? (the dates were March then November of the same year) .. and the processor update was marginal at best. Essentially they only did it to introduce the lightning connector.

This seems to be Apple's practice when component prices are too high/too bulky to fit in the next gen. Smart? Absolutely. Is it innovative to find smart ways to integrate these things? Sure. But, it just seems they're waiting on all these chip providers (Broadcom etc) to come up with smaller antennas and better flash storage and lenses etc., THEN they let other manufacturers make clunky, not-as-intuitive devices using latest gen hardware (thus all the Android fans who scream they've had NFC for years and haven't used it to purchase anything). All the while, they take their time and write apps and code things that are much easier to use while other companies use their customers as a test bench that Apple can easily poll from. (Those charts during the keynotes are cute).

ATM, they're probably waiting on some parts to lower in price before it makes sense to do a huge iPad mini update. The Air 2 is NICE and all, but besides the upgraded processor, really, it's a bit thinner (due to the glass fused to screen), the battery is probably identical, and they added touch ID and an upgraded wireless AC antenna. Most of what I just listed wasn't impossible last year, it just cost more. They held back the touch ID so they can make it a 'selling' feature this year and also to benefit from any improvement that came from user feedback and internal testing. It's all by design really.

For some things, Apple has dropped the ball a little (the site being down), iOS 8 issues, etc. But the eco-system is smooth when it works (which is most of the time to be fair), and I'm going to continue to support them. But it'd be nice if they didn't make bonehead moves like the "new" tablet that's not equal processor wise to the smaller phone they released a month ago.

(Both the iPhone 6 & 6 Plus are faster than the new mini, that's sad)
 
Or, you know, maybe they live in one of those hundreds of other countries that aren't the U.S., and thus never heard of NASCAR before your smarm offensive. :rolleyes:

Right. And he's wrong too -- it's "Bush League," which refers to sub-minor league baseball.
 
May I be the first to welcome you to American culture. I'm going to assume that you are either very young or so stuck in the tech community that you are unfamiliar with outside culture. "Busch League is a well known phrase referencing the old minor league of NASCAR racing sponsored by Busch beer.

Thanks. I am American, and did grow up in the south (see old Braves mascot to left), but not really redneck territory. In the literate world the term is correctly spelled "bush league," and has minor league baseball roots. Obviously NASCAR folks stole the phrase and made a pun out of it, but to my knowledge the baseball use of the phrase predates automobiles.

So, may I be the first to welcome you to the educated world. ;)

You're not aware of the American vernacular, "Bush League?"

Pretty sure it is a reference to the lower minor leagues of professional baseball, but what would I know, only having grown up in a bush league town of Fargo, ND. Has NOTHING to do with any corporation, and definitely not Anheuser-Busch.

Yes, I am (see above). It's why I made the post because OP spelled Busch as in Busch beer, not "bush league." I wasn't sure if he was being cute or something with the misspelling.
 
May I be the first to welcome you to American culture. I'm going to assume that you are either very young or so stuck in the tech community that you are unfamiliar with outside culture. "Busch League is a well known phrase referencing the old minor league of NASCAR racing sponsored by Busch beer.

Actually minor league baseball, not NASCAR. Has never had anything to do with Anheuser-Busch the beer company.

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Thanks. I am American, and did grow up in the south (see old Braves mascot to left), but not really redneck territory. In the literate world the term is correctly spelled "bush league," and has minor league baseball roots. Obviously NASCAR folks stole the phrase and made a pun out of it, but to my knowledge the baseball use of the phrase predates automobiles.

So, may I be the first to welcome you to the educated world. ;)



Yes, I am (see above). It's why I made the post because OP spelled Busch as in Busch beer, not "bush league." I wasn't sure if he was being cute or something with the misspelling.

Ha ha, ok, obviously both of us totally missed [SARCASM] [/SARCASM] tags :)

Would have been easier to just ask if he meant "bush" not "busch" :D
 
Something has to be broken. Apple is a company that likes to control almost every facet of its operations. During their announcements, the store goes down until the end of the presentations and then everything is up and running with the new stuff.

You mean to tell me they had MONTHS to prepare for this and they can't flip a switch and get the new products up. For a while this morning I could see the iPad Air 2s in the store and click my options, I just couldn't complete the purchase. To me that means everything was ready to go once someone, somewhere gave the word. With the site being down this long, the only explanation is that there is something very wrong with the online store that is taking a long time to fix. Nothing else makes any sense.
 
Will be online at 11am EasternTime

If you look at the apple server status page it says on the time line that the site will be down from 7am until 11am Eastern Standard Time. I don't understand how they can do this for four hours without losing their asses...

It also says their photo printing is under maintenance, I assume this is just part of the store however.
 
another hour and nothing.. geeze

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If you look at the apple server status page it says on the time line that the site will be down from 7am until 11am Eastern Standard Time. I don't understand how they can do this for four hours without losing their asses

hopefully its back up within the hour then :rolleyes:
 
Something has to be broken. Apple is a company that likes to control almose every facet of its operations. During their announcements, the store goes down until the end of the presentations and then everything is up and running with the new stuff.

You mean to tell me they had MONTHS to prepare for this and they can'te flip a swithc and get the new products up. For a while this morning I could see the iPad Air 2s in the store and click my options. To me that means everything was ready to go once someone, somewhere gave the word. Whith the sight being down this long, the only explanation is that there is something very wrong with the online store that is taking a long time to fix. Nothing else makes any sense.


Unfortunately I have to agree. It is extremely odd for this to be taking so long. I was chatting with someone and they said they were going to notify the customers with a date and time. I thought for sure when they said October 17th they meant midnight pacific time. This goes beyond the keeping the hype up.
 
Apparently you haven't used modern cloud infrastructure where there are other considerations. I'm not pretending to know what Apple is doing, just saying there are times when you don't just roll from qa to prod without additional work or overhead - I know because I work with releases on Fortune 500 SaaS solutions.

I spent 25+ years developing software. Over 50 projects, some multimillion projects, a couple where I was project manager.I only worked in one shop that had two environments, production and test. Each and every other one had a production, test (which was an exact mirror of the prod), and a dev environment. I find it hard to believe Apple doesn't have the same for their website.

Of course you don't roll it out without testing. That's what your test environment is for. It should never take more than 30 mins or so to 'flip the switch'. Everything should have been updated and tested before. Especially since apple's website (especially their store) isn't that complicated.

I don't know what they are doing either. Personally I don't care since I'm not ordering. But I doubt it's testing.
 
The iPad Air 2 is the only reasonable upgrade. I can't believe what they did to the Mini 3.

With 5 options Apple's iPad lineup is a mess.

I agree. If they were trying to clear out A7 inventory, just keep the iPad mini 2 for sale, and at least give the iPad mini 3 the A8. Makes no sense limiting the lifespan of the new iPad mini like this. Sure it'll run ios9 and probably ios10 but with diminishing performance. I'm shocked Apple gimped it like this and gave the air ALL the latest & greatest. Some are saying its to force people to get either the air or the iphone 6plus....but I call BS on that theory. Not everyone wants either of those two over the iPad mini. I think Apple is ignoring a whole segment of their potential customers with this non upgrade.
 
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