Apple Supplier Foxconn Confirms Plans to Build TV Display Factory in Wisconsin

[thadoggfather]

This is a Pyrrhic victory for Trump, nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't show forward looking, progressive business or government strategies; It shows that the incumbent government wants to ignore the pressing issues of the foremost industries by strengthening industries whose times have passed. They are treating the symptoms, not the cause.

Apart from 3000-13000 low-paid jobs I ask you, what good does it do? Does it trigger any sustainable development? Does it increase production quality?

Sure thing, it means not exploiting sub-minimum wage workers in China. That might be the only upside to it.

No let's clarify this: To you it's a Pyrrhic victory. There's no other explanation that could validate your ego and preconceived stance on the matter.

To most of the rest of us, it's plainly a victory, even people who otherwise aren't fans of his and even people who have no desire to work in this alleged factory specifically.

Must be incomprehensibly exhausting actively looking for reasons to spin good things as bad, with no other possible explanation, and WAKE UP with the mentality what did cheetoh do next that's going to offend me?

But it's your life and your mentality. I just genuinely couldn't imagine how much effort that must be, and yet were only 6 months in. I would hope youre getting paid for your futile efforts, but most likely just running on emotional fuel. And you'll certainly find people that find solace in that, misery in numbers kinda thing, complaining about how messed up it is we have a president you don't like that also wonthe electoral college in this democratic process where people decide who is president, but that's about it. Cue up yeah but she won popular vote. Cool, presidents are determined electorally. We're not going to change the rules on the fly because you can't handle the results. Should be a learning lesson of how democrats and establishment don't actually have it together, if anything. By all accounts after 1 billion and media and Hollywood shilling, Hillary should have Won. She assumed she had it but she underestimated this country's general distaste for the Clinton family

The hysteria drum that has been repeatedly banged, should be a marathon not a sprint if anything to both the opposing party (parties really- since establishment republicans don't care for him either as aforementioned) and his harshest critics. You got a lonnnnng while to go before Trump isn't in WH

And as a heads up to seasoned sewer democrats, same players, now all of a sudden pretending they care about jobs and middle class with this "better" deal obvious pandering stuff because they are losing big time at the moment and power is slipping from their fingers, being vehemently anti-Trump/quadrupling down on Russiagate you will find will not only not be an effective strategy, it will strengthen his supporters numbers. We'll have to wait and see but that's my firm prediction of both midterms and 2020

So If you think you're pissed now, the things this man will do, some of which WILL BE accomplishments, will continue to delight some and trigger others looking to be TRIGGERED.

And goes to show and also expose how out of touch people are that have to resort to cheetoh/Oompa Loompa arguments are, calling him a piece of crap and thinking you've won the intellectual argument without any room for additional discussion.

 

[Glideslope]

Welcome to the Foxconn work place...... now get to work!

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This is a "Fake News Image." The Foxconn plant will be over 85% automated. These people will not exist. My eldest son is an Process Engineer in a $15 Billion Fab in the US. I know what the "Tool Monitors" on the floor make in that Fab. Foxconn will pay less, guaranteed.
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No let's clarify this: To you it's a Pyrrhic victory. There's no other explanation that could validate your ego and preconceived stance on the matter.

To most of the rest of us, it's plainly a victory

Must be incomprehensibly exhausting actively looking for reasons to spin good things as bad, with no other possible explanation, and WAKE UP with the mentality what did cheetoh do next that's going to offend me?

But it's your life and your mentality. I just genuinely couldn't imagine how much effort that must be, and yet were only 6 months in

The hysteria drum that has been repeatedly banged, should be a marathon not a sprint if anything to both the opposing party (parties really- since establishment republicans don't care for him either as aforementioned) and his harshest critics. You got a lonnnnng while to go before Trump isn't in WH

And as a heads up to democrats now pretending they care about jobs and middle class with this "better" deal obvious pandering stuff, being vehemently anti-Trump/Russiagate you will find will not only not be an effective strategy, it will strengthen his supporters. We'll have to wait and see but that's my firm prediction of midterms and 2020

If you think you're pissed now, the things this man will do, some of which will be accomplishments, will continue to delight some and trigger others looking to be TRIGGERED.

And goes to show and also expose how out of touch people are that have to resort to cheetoh/Oompa Loompa arguments are, with other key issues that isn't just calling him a piece of crap and thinking you've won the intellectual argument without any room for additional discussion

Nor should you be naive as to the fact that this would not have happened without Apple's Multi Billion Dollar investment in the facility. This plant being built has more to to with Apple's Bond Debt than any President, Governor, or Empathic CEO. Sure, new jobs are a good thing. Don't give the White House the credit. This plan was initiated 7 years ago. It went to Wisconsin because Walker was more willing to prostitute his residents than other Governors.

 

[thadoggfather]

This is a "Fake News Image." The Foxconn plant will be over 85% automated. These people will not exist. My eldest son is an Process Engineer in a $15 Billion Fab in the US. I know what the "Tool Monitors" on the floor make in that Fab. Foxconn will pay less, guaranteed.
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Nor should you be naive as to the fact that this would not have happened without Apple's Multi Billion Dollar investment in the facility. This plant being built has more to to with Apple's Bond Debt than any President, Governor, or Empathic CEO. Sure, new jobs are a good thing. Don't give the White House the credit. This plan was initiated 7 years ago. It went to Wisconsin because Walker was more willing to prostitute his residents than other Governors.

flawed logic argument once again

If trump is responsible for all the bad and controversial things happening under his term, he must be responsible for at least some of the good under his term. That's how this works. It's called examination of facts and being a big boy. And conceding that not everything is cookie cutter like you either perceive or hope it is.

You don't get to pick and choose because it fits your narrative. Or you do, but know that some people see through it and call you on it.

I.e. If health care reform being stalled by congress and senate is HIS FAULT ENTIRELY, getting more jobs and for a
Foxconn factory to come here for the first time ever, is equally HIS FAULT or at the very least PARTIALLY becauss of him.

People choose to nitpick good obama things and forget all the bad, and draw attention to things the media has hyped as bad with trump as is expected of media, and not be able to process he can do ANYTHING correctly as good or correct because they won't tell you or just admit it. And it shouldn't be about propping up your argument against all logic and looking for stretches of ways to spin this as a bad thing, if anything it should be I still don't care for him, cause I don't change my opinions at the drop of a pin, but alright good job on this one. It's not hard to do. It's called being human. Admitting you're wrong sometimes or pleasantly surprised sometimes

You follow?

 

[DVD9]

Why is it so important that a Chinese company build a factory in the United States?

Because America's industrial base has been destroyed and there are no American companies anymore that can manufacture Macbooks and iPhones.

 

[LinusR]

No let's clarify this: To you it's a Pyrrhic victory. There's no other explanation that could validate your ego and preconceived stance on the matter.

To most of the rest of us, it's plainly a victory, even people who otherwise aren't fans of his and even people who have no desire to work in this alleged factory specifically.

Must be incomprehensibly exhausting actively looking for reasons to spin good things as bad, with no other possible explanation, and WAKE UP with the mentality what did cheetoh do next that's going to offend me?

But it's your life and your mentality. I just genuinely couldn't imagine how much effort that must be, and yet were only 6 months in. I would hope your getting paid for your futile efforts, but most likely just running on emotional fuel. And you'll certainly find people that find solace in that, misery in numbers kinda thing, complaining about how messed up it is we have a president you don't like that also wonthe electoral college in this democratic process where people decide who is president, but that's about it. Cue up yeah but she won popular vote. Cool, presidents are determined electorally. We're not going to change the rules on the fly because you can't handle the results. Should be a learning lesson of how democrats and establishment don't actually have it together, if anything. By all accounts after 1 billion and media and Hollywood shilling, Hillary should have Won. She assumed she had it but she underestimated this country's general distaste for the Clinton family

The hysteria drum that has been repeatedly banged, should be a marathon not a sprint if anything to both the opposing party (parties really- since establishment republicans don't care for him either as aforementioned) and his harshest critics. You got a lonnnnng while to go before Trump isn't in WH

And as a heads up to seasoned sewer democrats, same players, now all of a sudden pretending they care about jobs and middle class with this "better" deal obvious pandering stuff because they are losing big time at the moment and power is slipping from their fingers, being vehemently anti-Trump/quadrupling down on Russiagate you will find will not only not be an effective strategy, it will strengthen his supporters numbers. We'll have to wait and see but that's my firm prediction of both midterms and 2020

So If you think you're pissed now, the things this man will do, some of which WILL BE accomplishments, will continue to delight some and trigger others looking to be TRIGGERED.

And goes to show and also expose how out of touch people are that have to resort to cheetoh/Oompa Loompa arguments are, calling him a piece of crap and thinking you've won the intellectual argument without any room for additional discussion.

I am baffled and don't quite see why you insult me in such a personal and polemical manner -- I cannot recall being similar in my original response to you.

That aside, I get your point. But it isn't that simple: More jobs aren't necessarily good. They are good if they create prospects. They aren't good if they fill gaps that aren't there anymore. Jobs come and go just as industries come and go. That's the price of globalisation and automation.
This factory will alleviate and slow down this development. Of course, these news will also be a huge relief to many people in Wisconsin. But don't be mislead, this factory will not resurrect manufacturing jobs and it certainly won't let it reach new heights. In the long run, most manufacturing jobs will be replaced by automated systems and hence cease to exist.

So yes, it may be a good thing in the short run, but in the context of global economic development, this is a step backwards.

 

[kyleh22]

One thing the article left out are the $3B in tax breaks and incentives being offered by the Trump administration and local government to make this happen. Also for those that are wondering, Foxconn/Trump have said the factory will employee at least 3k employees and as many as 13k. To me, $3b in tax breaks/incentives for only 3k jobs doesn't seem to be a good trade off. $1M per employee? no thanks.

I'm only speculating here but it appears to me that Foxconn is using these additional 10k positions to leverage additional incentives from the government.

 

[Supermacguy]

IF it actually gets built. Apparently in Harrisburg, PA they announced some new plant years ago but then nothing happened. So, it's only an announcement, until ground is actually broken.

 

[Apple Corps]

Whatever the reason this stuff went to China in the first place bringing it to the United States is about a lot more than just labor costs. Most of Apple’s hardware products were never manufactured in the United States so these jobs wouldn’t be coming back as they were never here in the first place. But the way Trump lies he makes it sound like these jobs used to exist and now he’s bringing them back. It’s a lie. If you live in the UK and own an iPhone how does it benefit you if that phone is assembled in the United States vs China? Or is Apple supposed to have manufacturing plants in every country it sells products in?

I am not grasping your response at all. This new factory has nothing to do with Apple - it is making 8K UHD screens for Sharp. TVs used to be made in America - they will now be made in America again.

 

[thadoggfather]

I am baffled and don't quite see why you insult me in such a personal and polemical manner -- I cannot recall being similar in my original response to you.

That aside, I get your point. But it isn't that simple: More jobs aren't necessarily good. They are good if they create prospects. They aren't good if they fill gaps that aren't there anymore. Jobs come and go just as industries come and go. That's the price of globalisation and automation.
This factory will alleviate and slow down this development. Of course, these news will also be a huge relief to many people in Wisconsin. But don't be mislead, this factory will not resurrect manufacturing jobs and it certainly won't let it reach new heights. In the long run, most manufacturing jobs will be replaced by automated systems and hence cease to exist.

So yes, it may be a good thing in the short run, but in the context of global economic development, this is a step backwards.

I don't know you personally but im imagining you're taking something that would be objectively applauded if it were an accomplishment of past president, but because it's under Trump's admin it has to just be a bandaid solution and there has to be a larger systemic issue this isn't addressing by in large and he will never work to address. Or that it's not his accomplishment to claim at all, when these same people would definitely treat it as an objective associated accomplishment if under past admin.

We're 6 months in. And I've modestly stated this is a good start. A start. Not that he's solved the job deficit problem wholly or overnight or were done with it now or anything of that hyperbolic nature

So, sorry for assuming your stance but when you repeatedly give people the benefit of
Doubt especially when they start off vitriolic on denouncing anything good, and seemingly just rooting against prosperity of US because they personally don't care for its present management from the top, and have remained completely silent about other injustices for past 8 years like it was a perfect or "most transparent" admin is history as promised, it's tough to remain open minded and not think it will devolve into some canned response that wasn't theirs but one created by the media that they now believe is their own independent thought

I like debating people who wanna debate and think , and can concede (generally speaking not necessarily specifically directed to you) not people who wanna repeat things I'd hear on CNN

Because I can concede and admitting you hadn't seen something one way or another isn't humility (again not necessarily you specifically but speaking in general with the staunch anti-Trump trolls I've come across in mass numbers both on forums and IRL), it's bravery at least somewhat and it's part of being human.

 

[budselectjr]

Tim Cook has stated that the US doesn't have enough skilled workers to do these jobs – which is code for "there aren't enough people in America willing to do tough work for a low wage.

And he's right... which is why we have such a huge immigration problem with Mexican workers. They'll do the work. They'll show up every day, work hard and not complain. They won't ask for a raise after two weeks. They won't expect to be promoted to senior management after six months. They won't ask for anything other than a paycheck and some occasional time off.

What you have described is slave labor and lowers the wages for everybody in America.

 

[DVD9]

So true, somebody has to supply the paint for one. Then you have allied industries offering support. What really sucks is the association of "manufacturing jobs' with the entry level positions on the production floor. That is a small part of the overall reality in a modern manufacturing plant. You must have manufacturing engineers, programmers, managers and others to run a modern plant.

And these companies will run to congress for more "H" visas to bring in immigrants from Asia to fill those jobs for manufacturing engineers, programmers, managers and others to run a modern plant.

The mass corporate media has taught American kids their only future is to become a successful YouTuber or some other kind of celebrity. The only University jobs are MBA, doctor and attorney.

 

[RickInHouston]

Why IS Foxconn building it? Why isn't apple?

 

[Joe The Dragon]

Apple supplier Foxconn today announced plans to invest $10 billion in the United States, which will go towards building a new factory in Wisconsin that will employ 3,000 or more workers.

Foxconn is sharing the news at an event at the White House on Wednesday afternoon, says Recode.

The upcoming factory will produce large LCD displays that are meant to be used in televisions and other similarly sized electronics, but Foxconn chairman Terry Gou has said Apple is willing to invest in the factory, so it could be expanded to smaller displays in the future.

According to the Trump administration, the factory could grow to employ as many as 13,000 workers, while also encouraging Foxconn to build additional facilities in other parts of the country.

Foxconn has been mulling a U.S. factory for several months and has been in talks with both the U.S government and several state governments. Foxconn considered several locations for the factory before settling on Wisconsin.

Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Apple Supplier Foxconn Confirms Plans to Build TV Display Factory in Wisconsin

cheese grater mac pro cheese grater coming back to be build by cheese heads?

 

[Stella]

"According to the Trump administration"

So the numbers are exaggerated then...
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Why IS Foxconn building it? Why isn't apple?

Read the article, or at least the article intro. Its more than just supplying parts for Apple.

 

[DVD9]

Are we really supposed to believe that Foxconn just decided within the last 6 months to open a plant in the United States? Seriously? Oh and Apple still hasn’t commented on the 3 big beautiful plants Trump says they’re building here. He’s so full of you know what you can smell him a mile away.

The Chinese don't play golf. Their leader came here to smooze with Trump at Mar Lago and turned him down on golf "Golf is a rich man's game"

Something about Mao and a "Little Red Book"
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Its not that nobody thinks Americans can do these jobs, but people want better jobs. Manufacturing jobs are not that great. Long hours, stress on the body and crappy pay.

We are supposed to be a first world nation.

So Germany is not a first world nation?

 

[jmgregory1]

Any way you look at it, building a 20 million square foot manufacturing campus in the US is a good thing - even if it doesn't create tens of thousands of jobs. It will drive ancillary businesses that will support the plant and as is often the case, pave the way for additional manufacturing jobs to be created as other companies see it is possible.

I think the future will likely be regional manufacturing that serves the needs of individual markets - although the idea that we can go back to the good paying plentiful blue collar production jobs of the 1950's is just a dream and a dream driven by an aging population that even knows what it was like having a steady job that they could work at out of high school and retire on at 65 with a pension.

Those days and jobs are gone and not coming back.

 

[DVD9]

I have no problem with America competing for these jobs. My issue is that somehow America is more worthy or deserving of these jobs or foreign companies have a duty to build factories in the US. I’m sure we’re not the only country to have lost manufacturing jobs. Also where is the American Foxconn, where are the American companies that can compete with Chinese and Taiwanese manufacturing companies?

Ronald Reagan unleashed the Wall Street criminals on American industry in the 1980's and Wall Street raiders destroyed the industrial base of the USA and made themselves super rich.

This was treason. "If treason prosper, none dare call it treason"

 

[LordVic]

Nice!

I welcome this,

It’s not like China’s mammoth manufacturing industry is going to be shut down tomorrow from this.

it’s is a start, I like starts.

boggles the mind why we haven’t moved manufacturing here before this. Reduce consumption or at least increase production and reduce export of goods, even if slightly.

I’m ok with that.

—shows that even if we are unwilling to do it to scale of China, for pollution reasons, etc. , “specialized skills” alone weren’t what was holding it back from happening all together. Which is kinda all Tim Cook’s been talking about as the reason.

Skills have nothing to do with China being a hotbed of manufacturing jobs.

it's low wages and low worker rights laws.

it's all about maximizing production and profit while using the cheapest, most replaceable and least protected workers they can find that can do the job. Right now that's China.

 

[DVD9]

We could ask but I'm pretty sure we would never get an honest answer from Foxconn. Here is the thing though, Trump ran for president for 2 years more or less. As he gained voters it was pretty obvious to anybody watching that attitudes in the USA where changing. Specifically American workers where realizing that they got screwed over as a manner of political policy more than anything else. What can be gained from these observations is that policy in America would be changing and this was obvious even before Trump was elected.

American workers understood this more than twenty years ago. After Ross Perot dropped out in 1992, thus forfeiting the electoral victory he would have won, there was no one to vote for until Trump came along.

The USA has the most corrupt political system in the first world by far.

 

[bbeagle]

Democrats hate jobs because it means less people on government welfare they can control the money to.

This is one of the biggest lies Republicans spout. Open your eyes, and stop believing this nonsense. Look deeper into the issue, and don't over-generalize things like this.

Most Democrats want a safety net for the poor or people who fell on hard times. The problem comes that many people want to take advantage of these safety nets. There need to be laws to stop people from being on these safety nets forever. SOME Democrats believe they can control people leaving them on welfare, but MOST do not.

The Republicans are on the other extreme. They think people shouldn't have safety nets. If they fall on hard times, and don't have savings, tough luck. This helps the wealthy. Pay people low wages, then when something happens, ignore them. Helps keep up their profits and make them richer off the backs of the poor.

Then of course, republicans are all about safety nets for the rich in bankruptcies and bail-outs. And Democrats try to pass laws to stop those extreme safety nets.

I would rather have the safety nets for the poor and for the rich, but I'm on the republican's side that regulations need to be put in place for the poor safety nets, and I'm on the democrat's side that we need regulations for the rich safety nets.

For example, I agree that someone in hard times (like is 30, saved up $200,000 but had to spend it all on $200,000 medical bills, and then got fired from their job), should have a safety net of like 6-12 months to get back on their feet. I also agree that someone who is a CEO, and has failed leadership at a company and forces the company to go bankrupt, laying off hundreds of employees should not be able to get off scott-free with a huge severance and move on to the next company and do it all over again. There should be an amount that they pay back.

I can see both sides, Democrat and Republican.

 

[LordVic]

Automation is going to kill the need for agriculture and manufacturing labor. 10 years from now these jobs will be nonexistent. Now more than ever the US needs to be investing in smarter jobs that will actually last.

Getting harder and harder too. The middle class in particular is also feeling the squeeze of automation. Software / computer automation is doing to tech and other "desk" jobs. We're seeing especially in FinTech, vast swaths of people already starting to be replaced by automatic processing and software that can automate many jobs.

long gone are data entry positions. We're starting to see data analysts go out the door too as advanced business logic can be built right into software these days allowing for automatic analysis.

And automation is hitting the software creators too. you can create a lot more software these days with far less people.

yes, out of all this some new jobs / careers will be created, but overall we're seeing the start of a vast shift in the workforce makeup, throughout the middle class and the poor.

the only people who seem to have any sense of job stability are the managers and executives who get to make decisions. otherwise, we're all becoming expendable

 

[Phil in ocala]

Getting hung up on the details and pol bias:

A Foxconn factory. Will be located in the US.

This is a milestone. Period.

Just like, like Obama or not, he was first black president in US history. No one can take that away from him.

__________________ There is little profit in televisions....everyone has one....or two...or four...Apple makes and sells products with a very high markup....I don't think they will get in the TV business...4K televisions are not selling& their prices are crashing....few people want their children to watch a crime show or movie in 4K with blood so it looks so real you thing you are a personal witness to a murder...

 

[thadoggfather]

__________________ There is little profit in televisions....everyone has one....or two...or four...Apple makes and sells products with a very high markup....I don't think they will get in the TV business...4K televisions are not selling& their prices are crashing....few people want their children to watch a crime show or movie in 4K with blood so it looks so real you thing you are a personal witness to a murder...

Sounds about right lol

 

[DVD9]

Getting harder and harder too.

the only people who seem to have any sense of job stability are the managers and executives who get to make decisions. otherwise, we're all becoming expendable

Yet the immigrants continue to pile in here and no one illegal is deported. The numbers are staggering. I've seen estimates as high as 200,000 people need to be deported every week from the USA for Trump to make good on his campaign promise to deport all the illegals here.

 

[az431]

Getting hung up on the details and pol bias:

A Foxconn factory. Will be located in the US.

This is a milestone. Period.

This isn't the first time Foxconn has announced a new factory in the US. Promising to do something and actually doing it are two very different things.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...89f3de-ee3a-11e6-9973-c5efb7ccfb0d_story.html