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Put it this way: Oprah was able to start an entire network based on her dedicated audience. I don't really watch Oprah but I know that anything she recommends becomes a massive hit overnight. Imagine what she could do for Apple's TV ambitions.​
Not really. It failed and Discovery bought majority ownership when it was bleeding money. The only way it's probably still in operation is because they package into their content packages to TV contracts.
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Yeah why diversify and have billions in recurring revenue when you can bank everything on one product like Blackberry. Watch an episode of shark tank.
Because they suck at it.
 
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People will get less worried about how much iPhones are sold each quarter.
Yeah, but that’s not really a good thing.

Not if you enjoyed the breathtaking technological innovation Apple gave us consumers in the last decade or so. Those were exciting times.

So if Apple gets all diversified and doesn’t need to care about the next iGadget being a blockbuster, then it won’t be. It won’t need to be.

Over dependence on steady, dependable, revenue - supremely appealing as it can be to Wall St - slowly sucks the spark out of a company. Look at the stodgy old cable companies: Easy money leads to laziness.
 
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Lol you should never be allowed to make any serious business decision for a company. The Mac will become mostly irrelevant in the next years. Get used to it and leave the past in the past.

The Mac built Apple and it’s remains in the DNA of every single true Apple fan.
 
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Now we're in the Tim Cook Era for real. Steve Jobs would never have lowered his company (or himself personally) to this abysmal level. Sure, Apple exists to make money. But Steve was pretty damn careful about the ways that money got made: any money-making venture, successful or not, had the honorable intention of advancing the state of electronic technology and at the same time making a significant improvement in the customers' quality of life. All that is now gone. It took a while for this to become visible because some products and services with Steve's fingerprints all over them were still in the works for a long time after his death. But not no more. Now what does Apple have to offer? E-mojis, animojis and Ophrah. Apple may still be making tons of money, but it has pretty much lost its ability to lead the industry. indeed, in some areas (networkable speakers, virtual assistants) it's bringing up the rear. For this, ultimately, we have Tim personally to thank.
 
Isn’t OWN at the bottom of the ratings already? She’s popular, sure, but her network isn’t.

You’re right. Coincidentally, I read recently that her network’s shows have experienced a thirty percent decline in viewers year-to-year.

I wouldn’t bank on anything she produces. Her fans like her but don’t have similar interest in anything that she doesn’t appear in.
 
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Yeah why diversify and have billions in recurring revenue when you can bank everything on one product like Blackberry. Watch an episode of shark tank.

They wouldn’t have to bank everything on one product if they focussed more on other hardware and software. They could sell many more Macs if they wanted to. They have also killed their pro software business for no reason.
 
Yeah, but that’s not really a good thing.

Not if you enjoyed the breathtaking technological innovation Apple gave us consumers in the last decade or so. Those were exciting times.

So if Apple gets all diversified and doesn’t need to care about the next iGadget being a blockbuster, then it won’t be. It won’t need to be.

Over dependence on steady, dependable, revenue - supremely appealing as it can be to Wall St - slowly sucks the spark out of a company. Look at the stodgy old cable companies: Easy money leads to laziness.

I really agree!

I’m just saying why I think this is happening. I think it’s not exactly a great idea...

Personally this feels like the dot com buying spree of the late 90s - early 00s.

And we all know how that turned out.

AOL bought/merged with Time Warner back then in one of the disastrous couplings in US corporate history losing billions of shareholder value in the process.

I really don’t think this is going to end well for anyone...

...Except for people who own large amounts of stock in ailing media companies and who are going to make loads of cash once Silicon Valley and the telcos start buying up these media companies!

Edit: the reason I think this is going to end badly is it’s a classic arms race where suddenly it’s getting more and more expensive to make shows and acquire talent.

I think that only a few companies will walk away from this fight.

Amazon certainly. They have the will and the deep pockets - and the massive cloud infrastructure to power it all.

I don’t know about anyone else though.

Netflix maybe.

And does Apple have the will to see this through?

Spending a few billion dollars a year makes it just a ‘hobby’ compared to what Amazon and Netflix are spending.
 
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Oprah needs to go away and enjoy her billion dollars. She's so self-centered I lost all respect for her years ago. She can't stand not being in the spotlight, hence her "OWN" network, movies she produced (and of course starred in) and other me me me stuff. Go away.
 
Apple lost the Obamas but this could arguably be a much bigger prize. Oprah's audience is gigantic. If they're all signing up for Apple TV subscriptions and buying AppleTV's, that's a very large windfall for Apple, specially considering the halo effect of that audience staying/entering into Apple's ecosystem. This will result in sales of iPhones, iPads, AppleTV's, Apple Watches, Apple Music, etc.

Put it this way: Oprah was able to start an entire network based on her dedicated audience. I don't really watch Oprah but I know that anything she recommends becomes a massive hit overnight. Imagine what she could do for Apple's TV ambitions.​
Nothing against Oprah, but I don't think the newer generations follow her. She started with older people in the 1980s. Can't say I'm very TV-aware, but there are celebrities I've heard of because my friends mention them... Oprah isn't one of those. I only know about her from Wikipedia and Drake & Josh.
 
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... Apple may still be making tons of money, but it has pretty much lost its ability to lead the industry. indeed, in some areas (networkable speakers, virtual assistants) it's bringing up the rear.
I don't know if Apple's necessarily bringing up the rear technologically. The HomePod is a brilliant piece of audio technology deliberately sabotaged by being overly-tied to Apple Music. That's not healthy. It's arrogant and complacent. Apple's entertainment/content and technology product lines should stand or fall on their own merits. Not prop each other up. There's a fine line between product synergy and dependence.

Apple could've released HomePod with standard bluetooth and line-in connectivity, but they chose to lure customers in with a free Apple Music subscriptions, hoping customers would become trapped once their music was up in Apple's cloud. That's not the behavior of a confident technology innovator. That's old-school milking of trapped customers.

Eventually trapped customers leave for good. It can take them a while to untangle themselves - and for sure, there's good money to be had in the meantime - but its not sustainable.
 
Lol you should never be allowed to make any serious business decision for a company.
The Mac will become mostly irrelevant in the next years. Get used to it and leave the past in the past.
Mac won't be irrelevant. I've been hearing the same thing since 2008. People use them for work and anything else, and Apple does focus on them, just not on the desktops. Nobody uses the iPad; it's a failure, and the ultimate humiliation is that it lost to Microsoft's Surface of all things.

btw, I don't care about the business anyway, just the stuff I own
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They wouldn’t have to bank everything on one product if they focussed more on other hardware and software. They could sell many more Macs if they wanted to. They have also killed their pro software business for no reason.
I'm not a creative pro, but I can't see how throwing their entire creative market in the trash made sense even purely in terms of profits. Did they just run out of manpower in those departments? I know some people in the industry, and they say it's gone from Mac to Windows, just like how Hollywood stupidly drove everyone to Georgia with their taxes.
 
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I'm getting a bit selfish here but Apple hasn't backed a single media endeavor for men.

Carpool Karaoke
A fake game show about Apps
A Witherspoon / Anniston collaboration
A thriller about a murderous psycho boyfriend
A partnership with Oprah

Am I missing something?
You're missing, at a minimum, an unnamed space drama series from Battlestar Galactica developer Ron Moore (there's an extensive listing right here on this very site), but what, exactly, do you think makes a show "for men"? My first thought was, maybe you want a bunch of naked women in a show, but that would only cater to heterosexual men, and you didn't specify that. So, then, you're looking for shows that somehow require having a penis in order to watch? How does that even work? To pick just the first from your list, Carpool Karaoke: is singing, or listening to singing, somehow dangerous or deleterious for men? Even if it's cute women doing the singing? Or are you just dismissing any show that doesn't appeal to you personally, as "that's only for women"?
 
I'm getting a bit selfish here but Apple hasn't backed a single media endeavor for men.

Carpool Karaoke
A fake game show about Apps
A Witherspoon / Anniston collaboration
A thriller about a murderous psycho boyfriend
A partnership with Oprah

Am I missing something?
Is a show about apps not for men? It sounds like their shows just suck for everyone, is all.
 
Well, for now Apple cannot even launch TV Shows app internationally, and they want produce tv shows.
 
Lol you should never be allowed to make any serious business decision for a company.
The Mac will become mostly irrelevant in the next years. Get used to it and leave the past in the past.
El oh el. Until the iPad and iPhone can come even remotely close to being able to do what the Mac does the Mac will NEVER come anywhere close to irrelevant.
 
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