As an owner of an i7, i find that performance besides intesive applications such as video editing, doesnt change much after 4 or even 2. Dual core definately for regular stuff and even games not much different. There are very little applications that get a boost for having a 12 core. Of course the clientele for a mac pro is much different then the general consumer.
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I'm not buying the 12 core. Just to expensive at this point. But I really need to upgrade my old 2005 G5. I have been trying to find what chip the new Mac Pros will be running with. Will they all be i7? This is the choice between iMac i7 or a new Mac Pro. Simple question, just need an answer
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I'm not buying the 12 core. Just to expensive at this point. But I really need to upgrade my old 2005 G5. I have been trying to find what chip the new Mac Pros will be running with. Will they all be i7? This is the choice between iMac i7 or a new Mac Pro. Simple question, just need an answer
Thanks
The quad core i7's in the iMacs would be based on the Nehalem architecture.
The quad core configuration Mac Pro's Xeons are still Nehalem, but the 6, 8 and 12 core processors are Westmere, which is a die-shrink of Nehalem plus some lower level features added.
You might've asked a simple question, but the simple answer would've been a "no" and you wouldn't have learned anything.
Posts like this make me wonder if buying a Mac Pro with as good a spec as I can afford would be a good option. With the option to upgrade the GPU, one could keeo a Mac Pro going for a long time; can't really say the same for an iMac (of course, if your interests are very basic, an iMac can last a good while).
That's a good point- As this is the newest, fastest Mac Pro, it's REALLY cutting edge and doesn't leave anything out- eSATA: STANDARD. USB 3: STANDARD. Blu-ray burner: STANDARD.
Oh, wait...
I wish Apple could at least recognise Blu-Ray purely as a data storage format.
Provide it as a BTO option so people can at least burn BD discs without the need to go third-party for the drive.
Provide it as a BTO option so people can at least burn BD discs without the need to go third-party for the drive.
You are exactly right sir. Even if they don't like BluRay and think that all mainstream media will be delivered over the web there are still times that BluRay is needed, especially for us video producers.
I am upset with the fact that they don't offer NVidia cards. I do prefer ATI cards, but if you want to use Adobe Premier the only cards that allow the software to work at its fullest potential are the Nvidia cards.
It is disappointing that apple is changing their strategy, before updates for on models were regular and impressive, but now with their focus on the iPhone and iPad it is almost like they lost their focus for the computers..
And you don't want to get me started on Final Cut. The last Final Cut update wasn't all that great and for whatever reason I have a feeling that they are going to turn final cut into a Prosumer application, almost like a more advanced version of iMovie. And it seems that they are even dropping support for Dvd Studio.
Apple better give me a good reason to stick with them or I'll be tempted to switch over to a PC and run 64bit Adobe Premier.
I hope the next update is more impressive.
Thats just my 2 cents...
-Domreis
I'm pretty sure Final Cut will remain a "Pro" application. This situation is just like a month ago, when everyone was CONVINCED that the Mac Pro was NEVER going to be updated. Yet again, they were proved wrong.
If you ask me, we WILL see a new FCS this year and it will be 64 bit, along with some other great features. Sure, a big part of Apple now are the "iProducts", but at the same time, haven't ALL of the Mac products been updated this year except for one?
Updating all of their Mac products except for one doesn't sound like Apple is giving up on the Mac to me. Of course, all the drama queens on here would make you think differently...
Yes, they have- but they've been pretty mediocre. Especially this Mac Pro update... I can just imagine the keynote for this thing, if Steve had done one:
"Today we're introducing the fastest Mac we've ever made... This is the NEW Mac Pro. Yes, the MAC PRO. (lifts up Mac Pro, slams it down on a pedestal on stage.) There- we updated it. So you can all quit yer yappin'. Now, if you'll excuse us... we're working very hard on a magical, revolutionary new feature for the iPad that we're really excited about."
(walks off stage)
Introducing the magical iCut
No, really, it wouldn't make sense to downgrade Final Cut Pro, either they release a 64 bit decent new version of FCS, or they release nothing. You can't expect to charge consumers one grand for a video suite. Besides, Apple already offers FCE for the consumers.
I think the next version of Final Cut will be awesome.
Introducing the magical iCut
No, really, it wouldn't make sense to downgrade Final Cut Pro, either they release a 64 bit decent new version of FCS, or they release nothing. You can't expect to charge consumers one grand for a video suite. Besides, Apple already offers FCE for the consumers.
I think the next version of Final Cut will be awesome.
I agree. I think we are finally getting a multi-core, 64-bit Cocoa version of FCS this time around. Who knows when it will come out.
I am sure if something is in the making it is 6 month - 1 year away because Apple about 2 month ago had job postings for Pro application development.
I also agree that it doesn't make sense for Apple to put a prosumer focus on Final Cut Pro when they already have an app like that in Final Cut Express.
But then, it also doesn't make sense to offer a glossy Cinema Display with a cable that needs an extension to reach under a desk as the ONLY APPLE MONITOR for use with the Mac Pro...
The only thing we can be sure of is that the next Final Cut Pro will be AWESOME. But then, given his priorities these days, Steve's version of awesome could be very different from ours.
I can only imagine what awaits us later in the year at the Final Cut keynote:
(Steve walks on stage)
Thank you for coming- we have some amazing things to show you today!
...but first I must regretfully announce that the white iPhone 4 will be delayed once again. It will be available- for SURE- in mid March.
Now that THAT unpleasentness is behind us, I want to tell you about the most revolutionary editing experience you've ever seen. You've probably read about our new data center in North Carolina... Many people assumed it was going to be used for a streaming music service- but I'm here today to tell you it's real purpose is actually much more revolutionary. We're going to use it to bring you the world's first truly portable, very powerful editing system. And here it is... Final Cut Pro 8- the most revolutionary iPad app we've ever made. When I said the next version would be awesome, I meant it.
Using your iPad and the new video memory card reader, you upload your footage to our servers, where the nuts and bolts of the app reside. Then, you edit your video using the streamlined front end of the app on your iPad. This is truly amazing because you'll be able to work on your editing projects anywhere, even if they're effects-intensive, and won't need a huge system to do it. This is powerful editing that's truly portable. It's so portable, you'll be able to use it wherever there's a wifi connection. And when you're done, you'll be able to save your video directly to the web, without the need for any clumsy, outdated optical discs. As I've been telling you... the new Final Cut Pro is TRULY AWESOME...
But then, it also doesn't make sense to offer a glossy Cinema Display with a cable that needs an extension to reach under a desk as the ONLY APPLE MONITOR for use with the Mac Pro...
The only thing we can be sure of is that the next Final Cut Pro will be AWESOME. But then, given his priorities these days, Steve's version of awesome could be very different from ours.
I can only imagine what awaits us later in the year at the Final Cut keynote:
(Steve walks on stage)
Thank you for coming- we have some amazing things to show you today!
...but first I must regretfully announce that the white iPhone 4 will be delayed once again. It will be available- for SURE- in mid March.
Now that THAT unpleasentness is behind us, I want to tell you about the most revolutionary editing experience you've ever seen. You've probably read about our new data center in North Carolina... Many people assumed it was going to be used for a streaming music service- but I'm here today to tell you it's real purpose is actually much more revolutionary. We're going to use it to bring you the world's first truly portable, very powerful editing system. And here it is... Final Cut Pro 8- the most revolutionary iPad app we've ever made. When I said the next version would be awesome, I meant it.
Using your iPad and the new video memory card reader, you upload your footage to our servers, where the nuts and bolts of the app reside. Then, you edit your video using the streamlined front end of the app on your iPad. This is truly amazing because you'll be able to work on your editing projects anywhere, even if they're effects-intensive, and won't need a huge system to do it. This is powerful editing that's truly portable. It's so portable, you'll be able to use it wherever there's a wifi connection. And when you're done, you'll be able to save your video directly to the web, without the need for any clumsy, outdated optical discs. As I've been telling you... the new Final Cut Pro is TRULY AWESOME...
Why does your thread sound phony. It sounds as if you are a professional writer just blasting Apple. You sure covered a lot of bases in a few paragraphs. Who do you work for?
Thinking..
This is where we need to see all Apple software across the board modified for 64-bit + multicore use.
The problem is the software is basically optimized to peak at 8-cores thus far and not any more.
So we need to see all the Pro apps and iLife modified as such.
That's where we will see greater use of all of this silicon.
Then that 50% performance increase will go farther.
This is where we need to see all Apple software across the board modified for 64-bit + multicore use.
The problem is the software is basically optimized to peak at 8-cores thus far and not any more.
So we need to see all the Pro apps and iLife modified as such.
That's where we will see greater use of all of this silicon.
Then that 50% performance increase will go farther.
Yeah....
Yeah. Take a look at this?
That's one of my absolutely most intense sessions and the thing is just loafing along like nothing special is happening. There's even two that are doing nothing.
The i7 might not be a Xeon but it's an amazing chip on its own really.
Yeah. Take a look at this?
That's one of my absolutely most intense sessions and the thing is just loafing along like nothing special is happening. There's even two that are doing nothing.
The i7 might not be a Xeon but it's an amazing chip on its own really.
Tons of engineering, science, and design automation software programs benefit almost linearly from more cores, well past 12 cores.
Forgive me if someone else mentioned this, but I don't have time to read all the posts.
While the additional cores are great, I'm still with Alex Lindsay in my disappointment about USB 3.0. Apple were forward thinking enough to ditch the floppy drive and go entirely USB in the day, but now a bus that even consumers can now buy devices for still isn't supported. Same goes for the new iMacs.
By the way, anyone know what happened to Lightpeak?
While the additional cores are great, I'm still with Alex Lindsay in my disappointment about USB 3.0. Apple were forward thinking enough to ditch the floppy drive and go entirely USB in the day, but now a bus that even consumers can now buy devices for still isn't supported. Same goes for the new iMacs.
By the way, anyone know what happened to Lightpeak?
Apple is at the mercy of Intel.
USB 3.0 won't pe put on their boards until next year.
Lightpeak is still under development - they only demonstrated it recently and there doesn't seem to be any companies that have signed up to actually create stuff for it. Although, there are companies ready to manufacture the chipsets, but theres no point if theres no products.
Meanwhile, the peripheral makers will say, "There's no point in making lightpeak products if there are no chipsets that support it".
This could take a while...