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I guess I need to buy 4k HDR TV before I get too excited about this. ;) Does 4k HDR even make a big difference compared to 1080p?
Nowhere near 480p->1080p. But it does make a difference. 4K only makes a difference if you are pretty close to the TV, or if you have a very large TV set. HDR makes a bigger difference, as long as your TV is good at it...HDR10 doesn't really set a strict standard of how things have to look, so some cheaper sets aren't as impressive.
 
So... what will output better audio: 4K ATV or your typical blu-ray player? Will 4K ATV support Dolby Atmos?
 
Doesn't sound like enough for me to upgrade my current ATVs. 4K doesn't mean much to me as I really haven't seen enough content for it. And besides that I really don't think there would be much difference for the distance I watch TV from, my vision, and the sizes of my TV's. Going from 720 to 1080 ~6 years was still be most "blah" technology upgrade I've gone through. I'd be more interested if they updated/fixed the remote!
 
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My Sony is about 4 years old but not a 4K just 1080p, is 4K that much better?

It really depends on the TV you buy. There are terrible 4K screens and jaw-dropping 4k screens. Resolution is not the primary driving factor for picture quality.

It's just like someone asking if a 1080p TV looks good. Well, some do and some don't. Same applies to 4K.

If you want a screen that looks much better, get an OLED with HDR support.
 
Hopefully they will upgrade already-purchased movies. I have almost 400 iTunes movies, paying any non-trivial amount to upgrade would probably cost me as much as a new 65" OLED tv. I think they automatically upgraded for 720 --> 1080 so hopefully yes, but they do still have an odd (and antiquated) SD/HD split. I guess the question is, is 4K/HDR still considered "HD" (as Apple defines it), or is it some whole new category?
 
Yawn....you get to a certain age and resolution updates no longer matter. I'll take a good story/screenplay over resolution and CGI any day.

I just want the ATV to be able to respond to simple commands like "Resume playing the movie that I am currently renting"....functionality and substance over eye candy any day!
 
I guess I need to buy 4k HDR TV before I get too excited about this. ;) Does 4k HDR even make a big difference compared to 1080p?

Yes, a huge difference. Purchased a 4k TV last year and the difference is impressive, especially if watching properly rendered UHD Blu-Rays. Even upscaled content or regular HD television is much clearer. Even my wife, whom I had to carefully point out the difference between 720p and 1080p, noticed the much sharper picture immediately.
 
Uh....no.

Think about it. 4k itself is a number that only refers to the number of vertical lines in the image. There are twice as many lines in a 4k image as there are in a 1080p image. It is confusing because 1080p refers to the number of horizontal lines. You have four times as many pixels because twice the resolution in each direction gets you four times the surface area.

Here you go


Here is more on why it is only 2x the resolution:

https://www.redsharknews.com/technology/item/1650-is-4k-twice-or-four-times-as-good-as-hd
I'm sorry, but whoever wrote that doesn't know what they're talking about.

A 4k image has 2x the resolution horizontally AND 2x the resolution vertically. You can't ignore one or the other . 4k has 4x (or 2x2) the resolution of HD.
 
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So... what will output better audio: 4K ATV or your typical blu-ray player? Will 4K ATV support Dolby Atmos?
Blu-ray will still have much better audio quality because it's uncompressed, discrete 5.1 or 7.1. Anything streamed to a 4k ATV will still suffer from lossy compression and might have to be decoded from stereo LtRt to 5.1, depending on the source. Theoretically, it should be able to support Atmos since that signal is sent via HDMI, so it would probably be up to content creators (i.e. Netflix) to enable that sort of functionality.
 
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The REAL news is that it supports 10-bit extended color spaces !

If interested, or looking for confirmation, check out the iOS / tvOS Core Video & Metal pixel format types.

It's puzzling how the entire world misses something so obvious !
 
Correct me if I'm wrong.. but 8,294,400 is 4x 2,073,600, correct?

your calculation confirms four times number of pixels.

Although 4 pixels in place of one, these need to be visualised as 2X2, doubling the definition in vertical & horizontal

Having recently obtained a UHD screen and a matching UHD BD player I can confirm the images are much sharper and allow a far closer comfortable viewing distance for immersive viewing. Unfortunately budget didn't stretch to HDR on this occasion. An Apple TV supporting UHD will be a welcome addition.
 
The Apple TV 3 came out Match 7th 2012
The Apple TV 4 came out October 30th 2015

A total of 1333 days between the two generations.

Now if we just add 1333 days from The previous October release that would land us in mid June 2019. I think that's a totally acceptable date for "Around 2020" and wouldn't be historically out of character for Apple to wait such lengths given the previous product cycle.

Whatever the case.... If someone is on the fence about getting an apple TV hoping something better from Apple is right around the corner... it probably isn't. I wont expect anything this year or next. 2018 is a possibility.... but i'll place my bets on June 2019....

Calling @Vermifuge. Seems your prediction was quite a ways off.
 
I am not looking to upgrade to 4K since I have a fairly new plasma TV that I am happy with. i guess I will save money and keep enjoying my 4th gen ATV.
 
Where I live, if you want internet. You get Comcast. Period.
well you cant blame Apple for that now can you? not everybody is living in ISP hell like you are, and why should the rest of us, who Can and do have uncapped data, suffer because some people are stuck with companies like comcast?
 
Just read today that the new Nikon 850, while recording video in 4K will allow stop motion capture at 8K. We'll be here again in a year or two when 8k ATV launches trying to decide if 8K is twice or four times the resolution of 4K (4X or 16X HD??? and whether or not it's noticeably better :)
 
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Back on topic I have the current ATV and the Shield. The Shield is amazingly versatile and I do like it. But it isn't anywhere near as polished and stable as the ATV, unfortunately. It freezes, crashes and corrupts memory cards way more than it should but, when it's functionaing right, it's a good box. Just wish it had Apple's stability. Also it gets second rate apps that are behind the equivalent on the ATV. Another annoyance for me. The MLB app on the ATV destroys the Shield version. As is the case with a few others.

It's overkill and far from the best box for the mainstream users but, it all depends on your wants and needs.

Also it has no DIRECTV Now official app, so, the ATV needed for that.
 
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They are 400 bucks now. How low do you need them to go?????

not the best quality 4k TV but its true, you can literally go to any walmart/target/best buy/frys electronics and pick up a 4k Tv starting at like 369$, and for a 32" too, which isnt too bad for a bedroom or small living room.

hell, i saw a 4k smart Tv at 50" for only ~650-700$. considering ~3-5 years ago it still cost almost double for a 1080P of the same size, thats pretty cheap.
 
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