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Not as in depth an answer as I was hoping for. You do realize there's no tangible gain there.




No doubt there are a bunch of design elements, cues, whatever you want to call them that have been lifted from one manufacturer to another and yes, Samsung is a prime example. They did, however, have the rounded design - used by the iPhone 6, in 2012 on their Ativ models.

Who influenced, borrowed, or copied who? Who cares?

Jony's lamenting has become tedious. Every great artist (I consider designers artists as well as technicians) has had their work imitated; it's the way of the artistic world. Everything is an amalgam of what's come before or what has provided inspiration. Hell, if John Bonham and Steward Copeland heard my drumming they'd sue my butt off...

Nothing personal but when I read such dogmatic missives about companies it just strikes me as, dare I say, sad.

The ATIV copied the iPod Touch.
 
I was referring to overall marketshare. While I generally don't use marketshare as way to define how well a company is doing, in this stance with Apple luring customers their way I would say they are trying to grab more marketshare.
ah. Yeah, from that perspective it makes sense.
 
I was referring to overall marketshare. While I generally don't use marketshare as way to define how well a company is doing, in this stance with Apple luring customers their way I would say they are trying to grab more marketshare.

Apple is going to grab more marketshare by selling devices to people who cannot afford them?

You cannot refer to the overall markertshare as apple does not have anything but premium handsets. Short of giving away phones to the poor android users ;)

Just focus on the premium markertshare, apple dominates.
 
I can assure you, and anyone with half a brain also would agree, the iPhone would be nowhere near as good or advanced as it is now, if Android/competition had never existed.

While anyone with half a brain might agree, anyone with a full brain probably would realize that it's not simply competition which has been pushing advancements in the iPhone. Even without competition, the iPhone today would be quite advanced.
 
most of the UI elements are no longer laggy

However, there is some spotty lag in some places. There's no doubt. I'm on the Nexus5 with 5.0.1 and there are some instances where there is frame drops.

most of the original animations are perfectly smooth. Like swiping around the homescreen and pulling up the App tray.

I find most of the animation frame drops occur during the new Material Design animations and not with the normal operation of the phone.

Hoping 4.1 fixes it. But in the meantime, i've basicaly just turned off Material design animations.


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I wonder how much i would get for the 32gb Nexus 5. I doubt it would be significant enough to move me over to an iPhone considering the 16gb iPhone 6 is now 749.99 in Canada.

Oh it's definitely not the laggy horrible mess it was during the froyo/gingerbread/ics days. Hilariously there were people who claimed they had zero lag then too

Lollipop is a huge improvement, but there's definitely lag. Same with ios. I don't take anyone who says android has no lag seriously.
 
My wife gave me a voucher for a free iPhone 6 for my birthday...I have the 4S 64GB. I keep asking myself why I want to plunk down $400 for a new 128GB model (I need more than 64GB especially if I am going to keep it for many years) when as far as I am concerned, the only improvement is the camera. Sure, the newer iPhones are slightly larger but I'm not watching movies/youtube nor crying for screen real estate. I really use my iPhone for (in no particular order) a)phone b)email c)pix d)quick web surf and e)texting.

If I buy the 6 I would still have this awesome 4S that is worth nothing on the street and nothing via Apple. The 4S would instantly be diminished to an MP3 player (which is ok) because I would likely port all my mail and apps to the iPhone 6.

I'm also petrified of buying now (and locking in a 2year contract) and then 6 months from now Apple releasing the next iPhone with something really innovative (that I could/would use) and I'm SOL.

If Apple/retailers offer some kind of $100 off the 128GB model within the next few weeks, that would probably get me to buy...otherwise I think I'm going to wait until October.

And at this point I would wait until October if I were in your shoes. But once that time rolls around you gotta get in on Touch ID. Worth the price of admission in and of itself.
 
Am I the only one finding this a rather strange and unlike Apple strategy?

Tim Cook talked about how their products are premium and they don't care about commodities, yet here they are giving Apple voucher for trading in commodities to spend on premium.

It seems they want to be aggressive.
 
And without Android, Apple would not exist in its current form. This argument is extremely tired and old. Competition is good for the market as a whole. Honestly, if Android never existed I am positive iOS would not have progressed further than the features in iOS 5. If there is no competition driving you further forward, then stagnation occurs. Just think how smartphones would look nowadays if Apple had never invented the first iPhone.

The whole stealing features thing is so so soooo tiring to hear. They both steal so much from each other in terms of ideas there is no reason to argue anything, just leave it be. My Android 5.0 powered Moto X and my iOS 8 powered iPad mini get me through the day just fine, and I love using them both; even though they both of memory issues... *sigh*

Why do people who defend Android (mostly with illogical arguments) always end their posts with a footnote listing their iDevices and how much they enjoy using them.

Hmmm...:rolleyes:
 
Well, of course not (and apologies if I missed your original point). Still, again, I don't think anyone has to "excuse" what Apple has done -- as long as a developer/manufacturer is not infringing valid patents, it probably can and should adopt whatever works best for its users... even if those ideas are inspired by others! (Like the famous Ur-tale of Jobs and the Xerox PARC GUI, or whatevs.)

Precisely. And I was replying to a user who is under the impression that Apple is simply re releasing every idea that Google comes up with.

But then again, he's on a 'time out' according to this forum so might be a troll, or otherwise not worth replying to.
 
While anyone with half a brain might agree, anyone with a full brain probably would realize that it's not simply competition which has been pushing advancements in the iPhone. Even without competition, the iPhone today would be quite advanced.

It would have advanced yes, just not as much.

It's odd how Apple fans have benefitted so much over the years due to Apple needing to compete and not get left behind, and being overtaken too much by other big brand names.

And yet at the same time, these very same people say they want some of the biggest brand names to die and vanish.

:)

Competition is what pushes us forward, and you only need to look at the now near glacier pace of Intel, and others when there is no need to compete as no one threatens your position.

I still am running Sandybridge after all these years :(
 
Microsoft, etc offering trade in program to lure Apple customers = desperation.

Apple offering trade in program to lure Android users = great idea.

Am I right?
 
My wife gave me a voucher for a free iPhone 6 for my birthday...I have the 4S 64GB. I keep asking myself why I want to plunk down $400 for a new 128GB model (I need more than 64GB especially if I am going to keep it for many years) when as far as I am concerned, the only improvement is the camera. Sure, the newer iPhones are slightly larger but I'm not watching movies/youtube nor crying for screen real estate. I really use my iPhone for (in no particular order) a)phone b)email c)pix d)quick web surf and e)texting.

If I buy the 6 I would still have this awesome 4S that is worth nothing on the street and nothing via Apple. The 4S would instantly be diminished to an MP3 player (which is ok) because I would likely port all my mail and apps to the iPhone 6.

I'm also petrified of buying now (and locking in a 2year contract) and then 6 months from now Apple releasing the next iPhone with something really innovative (that I could/would use) and I'm SOL.

If Apple/retailers offer some kind of $100 off the 128GB model within the next few weeks, that would probably get me to buy...otherwise I think I'm going to wait until October.

One of Apple's clever moves is releasing the iPhone in September. Right now, most people consider the iPhone 6 brand new, and a new phone in September 2015 way off in the distance. As you know, we're half way between the iPhone 6 and the 6S.

You might as well wait. Either there will be a new feature you want (like force touch or a much faster processor) or there won't be. If there isn't, you will be able to get the iPhone 6 at a reduced price. :)
 
Microsoft, etc offering trade in program to lure Apple customers = desperation.

Apple offering trade in program to lure Android users = great idea.

Am I right?

Hey any proof of the same people saying both of the above?

No?? Wow that's so unlike you to just say things...one day, man.
 
I checked the trade-in value of my iPhone 4 with my current carrier (Rogers Canada), and it was $14. No thanks! It's worth a lot more to me than that.

I can't imagine Apple would be giving much more value to Android devices. :p

I don't know if you guys had the same thing in Canada, but ATT had a promotion for the first few weeks or so of iphone 6/6plus launch where if you traded in an iphone you could get 200-300 credit. I traded in an iphone 4 and got $200 store credit to spend on a new iphone.
 
A $10 iTunes giftcard for your Samsung S5/S6.

Not really. The idea isn't to pay what the phone is worth, but to pay the phone owner enough money to make them switch.

Apple should have worded that "Get an Apple Store Gift Card for the value of your inferior device".

Excuse me, but I remember Samsung making adverts that were insulting Apple customers, and I'd say that backfired spectacularly. It's not the only reason, but it is one reason why Samsung's sales are dropping, because their own customers found it embarrassing, and it certainly didn't make anyone switch from Apple to Samsung phones.

The same would happen if Apple started insulting Android and Samsung customers. Telling them "you bought a rubbish phone" is just annoying; it isn't going to make anyone switch to the iPhone.
 
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It only makes good marketing sense for Apple to take this approach. Personally I'm very curious to see how they do, yet in typical fashion I'm sure Apple won't disclose numbers. Relying on articles from various web sites may give us a read on public response however.

There's a lot of variables presently since top of the line Androids as I've experienced them have never been better.
 
Actually, Apple sold more smartphones than Samesung last quarter.

With this trade-in program I'm sure some "analyst" will count how many smartphones Apple sold, and then subtract the number of smartphones that Apple purchased, and Samsung will be ahead again :)
 
The ATIV copied the iPod Touch.

Copied, inspired by, influenced by; as I also stated, why should I care?

In the end, this circle of borrowing, which Apple also does, is good for all of us who enjoy tech and the devices it spawns.

Now if you're implying that Apple was the first domino for everything that we're currently benefiting from then you're in dire need of a reality check. Of course I'm just making an assumption based on 6 words you typed.
 
Meh, not interested, will stick with my Note 4 that can do far more than the iPhone. Until Apple allows me to set default applications without having to jailbreak I can't even think of switching to iOS.
 
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