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Can't argue with that but is the pace of change in software and how we use our computers really changing that much any more? I can understand the gamers and creatives want more CPU/graphics grunt but do the bulk of the office slaves require much more than was on offer 6/7 years ago? Also, if you do need to keep CPU/graphics state of the art then Apple with its sealed in components (other than Pro?) is hardly the best choice.

You are so right. The pros are probably not using Apple gear too much anymore as one cannot rely on Apple to push more into that market.

As for office people,:
I anybody is an old hack like me, who never went to typing class and uses about 6 fingers max to type, they do not need the latest. (If they are willing to admit that)
All my work (and private stuff) gets done with a used 2008 still amazing MBP 17" I bought on eBay many years
ago.
Maxed out over time (put an SSD in for the Superdrive , 8 GB chips (= recognizes 6) and 7,200 Hitachi HD.
Has all the old ports. Hooking it up to a DELL 27" monitor and it is just a fantastic machine.

Sometimes a little wait for beachball or restart when I leave too many things open.

Only mechanical issue ever was a motherboard graphics chip failure, which I had replaced for a depot charge at an Apple store for about $ 350.

Biggest reason for crying about it being obsolete would be that 17" is no longer around (incl. the possibility to tinker inside) and I wouldn't mind an even larger MBP.

Also have a mid 2014 MBP, which is noticeably faster, but then with my typing style it just waits for me:)

Do I want a new MBP, of course!

But coming from a 2008 and 2014 MBP (Which I'll use more, once the 2008 is really dead) I can wait for the next generation. I only buy refurbs one year back.

So, my next MBP 15.4" is a 2016 which I'll buy used or refurb in 2017.

Buying that way makes the prices where they should be!
 
Back when apple had courage

Stay tuned.

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Waiting for the day the products they are selling are that old they class them as vintage


Its a Sad day, i own a late 2010 MBP, and it's a trooper,
I have over the years, replaced the wifi cable inside, swapped out the original HD to a 500gb SSD, upgraded the RAM to 8gb, and its running Yosemite, and it flies, i have not upgraded to the El cap and Sierra.

I personally only own an iPhone 5 so the siri and watch and apple pay integration is not something i use.

I travel regularly and honestly my 2010 MBP, is great i have USB, Lighting, Firewire 800, and full size Ethernet ports and all still going strong..
the ability to swap out Memory and HD is a real plus and there are plenty around on the market for spares and repairs,

I edit a lot of Photography on mine and its s ace, i am not a "pixel peeper" so the retina screen or lack off is not a problem, also would you believe my CD/DVD drive still works and occasionally comes in real handy

Sad day that it will be officially Obsolete, but then again, i am not one to rush out and buy the latest and greatest because it works so well,

Qudos 2010 MBP, your a star....

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Ah, what does it really matter anyway. It's not like if you own one of those products they'll stop working on the 31st. My '11 MBA will probably be next. Even though I rarely use it now, it's still a more than capable machine. At the time of purchase, I considered it the best Windows laptop I owned. It has since been surpassed, but it's still a darn good Windows laptop.
 
Whew, I made the cut one more time. :) Mid 2010 27" iMac still running strong.
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Apple! Great at discontinuing products. How about actually making them? I'll go back to the Apple store when I'm in the market for a fancy looking watch band. Oh that's right. I don't wear a watch.
For real. Mac Pros coming of the line today only have about two years before EOL.
 
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Apple will add all iPhone 4 models, the late 2010 13-inch MacBook Air, third-generation AirPort Extreme, and mid 2009 AirPort Time Capsule to its vintage and obsolete products list starting October 31, according to Japanese website Mac Otakara.

Apple products on the vintage and obsolete list are no longer eligible for hardware service, beyond a few exceptions. Apple defines vintage products as those that have not been manufactured for more than five years but less than seven years ago, while obsolete products are those that were discontinued more than seven years ago. Each of the products added were released between 2009 and 2010.

The report specifically pertains to Apple's vintage and obsolete products list in Japan, but the new additions will more than likely extend to the United States, Australia, Canada, and the rest of the Asia-Pacific and Europe regions.

Apple already obsoleted CDMA models of the iPhone 4 around the world last month, while the late 2010 MacBook Air joins the mid 2009 iMac, 2010 Mac mini, and mid 2010 15-inch and 17-inch MacBook Pro among Apple's recently obsoleted notebooks.

macOS Sierra remains compatible with the late 2010 MacBook Air, while the iPhone 4 cannot be updated beyond iOS 7.1.2. Read how to identify your MacBook Air model or how to identify your iPhone model.

The current MacBook Air has not been updated in 584 days. Refreshed models with USB-C ports are expected later this month at the earliest.

Article Link: Apple to Obsolete iPhone 4 and Late 2010 MacBook Air on October 31

I think it's ridiculous to call a product vintage after 5 years and obsolete after 7 when they take 2 years or more to refresh the product.
 
So even though the iPhone4 works, if you get an activation lock when erasing a phone, Apple will refuse to help. Great.
 
Still better than most everyone else.

There are new Android phones on the market now that don't run the most current version of the OS.
 
What about all these 3rd world nations or India & China where an iPhone 4 is concidered new? Or is it only the U.S. that its obsolete but the store and support are okay elsewhere?
 
Not sure I get it. The iPhone 4 was cut out of the loop ages ago. It's stuck on iOS 7.1.2, released in June 2014. It was already obsoleted in all the ways that matter. So what's with the future tense? It's like issuing a death certificate 2+ years after the funeral.
It means no more hardware repairs.
 
In Australia, the Australian Consumer Law states parts and repairs for products must be available for a reasonable amount of time.

Usually, this is for a period about 7-10 years.

However, Apple continues to insists we here in Australia do not have the same repair and parts options that consumers in California, France and Turkey for products on the vintage/obsolete list-yet Apple is required by Australian law to offer parts and repairs for a reasonable amount of time.

In fact Apple states this on a page on their Australian website:
http://www.apple.com/au/legal/statutory-warranty/

It states:
For Apple-branded goods, in addition to the above, we also guarantee that we will provide repairs or spare parts for a reasonable time.

What gives?

Apple seems to forget about the Australian consumer law when it comes to certain products on:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT20162

Even the ACCC told me via email Apple is required to offer parts and repairs similar to what is required by Californian, French and Turkish laws.
 
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So this means I can't update my 2008 Macbook Pro to a SSD?
Sure you can! I picked up a 240GB SSD at Best Buy for $65 a few months back and threw that into my late 2008 MBP (9600 GPU) and it's been great!

My son has been playing Paladins on it lately (Overwatch clone currently in beta on Steam). MBP is set to run 100% on dGPU and has been for years without a hitch.
 
iPhone 4 was the best iPhone design and a major leap since the original, I have fond memories of t.
 
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It means no more hardware repairs.
Yeah, makes sense.

I guess that means no battery replacement on my iPhone 4, which is fine by me. I have one sitting in a 30-pin dock on a Sony clock radio in the kitchen... they're both equally worthless without eachother, so I figured I'd let them sit there until either device dies of old age. The iPhone is down to 75% battery health after 5 years (3 in the dock), so I guess it'll be a while... just another ummm 20 years or so... :eek:
 
iPhone 4 was the best iPhone design and a major leap since the original, I have fond memories of t.

Never was a fan of the 4. It was the phone that pushed me to Android for a couple contract cycles. Tiny screen/form factor, weak OS (Android had waaaaaaay more features back then), and scratches galore (who the heck thought to put glass on the back?). Looking forward to switching back to the 7+ in a couple months though! The iOS ecosystem has finally matured and now has the vast majority of features I care about from Android.
 
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