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I still don't think this is good...

So if you buy a phone, use it heavily, and before the warranty is up, you may have a degraded experience because the CPU needs a better battery? So the fix is to spend another $29?

How long is this supposed to go on for? How come this isn't an issue in other portable things with CPUs?

Until they invent batteries that never die, seriously, what do you think?
 
What if I already upgraded because my old phone needed to stay on life support. Now I find out $29 could have fixed it?!
Apple deserves to be sued. And to pay. They screwed over their loyal customers.
Did you upgrade because your old phone needed to stay on life support?

No?

Then stop it.
 
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Since iOS 10 Apple has stopped apps like Lirum Device info accessing battery information, life cycles etc. Why did they do this. Have uploaded some screen shots of the app I used.
There were some issues with faulty batteries not too long ago, affecting the 6s. A lot of signs pointed to the 6s Plus being plagued by the same issue, but Apple would only admit to the problem being present on the 6s (and only a limited number thereof), for which they launched a replacement program. I have a 6s Plus, and its battery behavior was always extremely weird compared to all other iOS devices I ever owned.

Given that 95% of all interesting details about battery info magically disappeared in the first major iOS update a few months after the release of 6s/6s Plus, I have a sneaking suspicion that the purpose was to make it impossible for 6s/6s Plus users to compare battery data and arrive at some collective Eureka moment that would force Apple to expand the replacement program to every 6s/6s Plus out there.
 
There were some issues with faulty batteries not too long ago, affecting the 6s. A lot of signs pointed to the 6s Plus being plagued by the same issue, but Apple would only admit to the problem being present on the 6s (and only a limited number thereof), for which they launched a replacement program. I have a 6s Plus, and its battery behavior was always extremely weird compared to all other iOS devices I ever owned.

Given that 95% of all interesting details about battery info magically disappeared in the first major iOS update a few months after the release of 6s/6s Plus, I have a sneaking suspicion that the purpose was to make it impossible for 6s/6s Plus users to compare battery data and arrive at some collective Eureka moment that would force Apple to expand the replacement program to every 6s/6s Plus out there.

A lot of people were running to the geniuses with “this app says my battery is messed up” when it wasn’t.
 
What annoys me about this and other things like it is that it sets the precedent that an uninformed public can develop an "outcry" over anything get a result out of Apple. Real shame. The public didn't deserve this level of compromise from Apple. Intelligent CPU management of a device powered by lithium-ion battery is expected and appropriate, and really no one's business besides the engineers.

You got to be kidding me. Apple was a total sh*t about doing this the way they did. Solution they selected was right, the invisibility of slowing a CPU without telling the user is something low enough that Samsung would do it. I know two people who directly bought new iPhones because they thought their phones were too old to run the current iOS properly
 
Maybe this is a not causes of an issue, but "someone" thought it was because they refused to replace old battery, and decide to start a case against it.

A lot of people were running to the geniuses with “this app says my battery is messed up” when it wasn’t.

You get that because Apple doesn't provide enough info by itself, or what users want to see. so they think third party apps oversee the company's own better measurements.
 
Tell me all about how the phone would shut down randomly while plugged in, seeing as it still throttles. :rolleyes:

That's quite a revelation. There is no reason to throttle when plugged in unless Apple wishes to conceal what is being done. Apple's reasoning to protect the device from this horrible shutdown simply doesn't jive.

I had thousands of gadgets shut down from dead batteries and not one has died. I had pulled the cord on operating tvs, stereos, stbs, controllers, gameboy, printers in the middle of printing, laptop dying in the middle of gaming, etc... and not one has died. Apple is really pulling something out of their ass about electronics damage from a dying battery.
 
It’s nice something good is coming out of people’s irrational whining.

Just is disappointing we’re teaching people that crying about and demanding things through misinformation is ok.
Seriously?
 
My 5S was purchased new 2 years ago. No discount love for 5S? Mine dies anywhere between 20-30% battery life. Will remember this when time for new phone.

Exactly..... Either mine was fooling me that it was working fine, with really good battery life and a battery meter that accurately let me manage the bad? battery down to the last drop of use; or their supposed deception that started with IOS 11 is somehow actually making the battery performance look worse (when it is supposed to make it look either neutral or better) so that I will stumble out and buy a new iPhone.

So if I buy a new iPhone 6 series or 7 series, will Apple tell me I'm using it wrong or "didn't 'upgrade enough'" if the performance on IOS 11 isn't also suitable?

Bad, bad, bad....
 
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That's quite a revelation. There is no reason to throttle when plugged in unless Apple wishes to conceal what is being done. Apple's reasoning to protect the device from this horrible shutdown simply doesn't jive.

I had thousands of gadgets shut down from dead batteries and not one has died. I had pulled the cord on operating tvs, stereos, stbs, controllers, printers in the middle of printing, laptop dying in the middle of gaming, etc... and not one has died. Apple is really pulling something out of their ass about electronics damage from a dying battery.

Everyones buying it though huh.

RIP Critical thinking. :(
 
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That's quite a revelation. There is no reason to throttle when plugged in unless Apple wishes to conceal what is being done. Apple's reasoning to protect the device from this horrible shutdown simply doesn't jive.

I had thousands of gadgets shut down from dead batteries and not one has died. I had pulled the cord on operating tvs, stereos, stbs, controllers, printers in the middle of printing, laptop dying in the middle of gaming, etc... and not one has died. Apple is really pulling something out of their ass about electronics damage from a dying battery.

Even when plugged in it draws power from the battery. When plugged in, if the battery cannot supply the required instantaneous current, the device would should down.

So you are wrong.
 
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It’s nice something good is coming out of people’s irrational whining.

Just is disappointing we’re teaching people that crying about and demanding things through misinformation is ok.

please tell us what the misinformation is?
 
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This issue has been blown out of proportion by the media and Apple. There really is no issue here!

It was implemented in response to a battery/power management issue. It wasnt there before and was never intended to force people to upgrade. Quite the opposite

In fact this has been used by other companies that have critical systems running on battery power. It’s a sensible measure in response to an industry wide occurance.
 
Because it makes sense-

A battery shouldn't effect performance, it should effect longevity.

It especially shouldn't effect performance to a point where a consumer buys a new phone.

It shouldn't effect performance to a point where the device functions at a speed that's less than what it was advertised as.

Simply, they can't go from shouting from every media outlet every September about how fast their new phones are, and then in a really short amount of time reduce that speed, just because a user bought and used the device and by doing so, degraded the battery.

You DO know how technology the requires a battery works right? You do know how any tech (including cars) performance changes if the battery can no longer supply the same power as it did when it was new?

Forget phones. Do this.... go swap out the Health battery in your car for an old one that cannot supply the same power on demand... see what happens.

ANY tech the needs a battery suffers performance when it gets old.

Period
 
You DO know how technology the requires a battery works right? You do know how any tech (including cars) performance changes if the battery can no longer supply the same power as it did when it was new?

Forget phones. Do this.... go swap out the Health battery in your car for an old one that cannot supply the same power on demand... see what happens.

ANY tech the needs a battery suffers performance when it gets old.

Period

The difference is you can tell when your battery needs replacement in your car or other products by observing battery performance.

Nobody suspected their phones were slow when their batteries not only seemed fine, but report as "Healthy" status by Apple's diagnostics.
 
This should slash the class action suits into more manageable parts. This is a win for Apple, a win for those wanting battery replacements, and a win for transparency going forward.

they had nothing to stand on anyway. there are terms in the T&C that allow for Apple making the kind of changes they did, so not sorry that folks don't bother to read those Terms. Plus the claim that Apple was forcing folks to upgrade to a new iPhone was utter bull. they have been doing battery replacements for years.
 
Only solves part of the problem. For years Apple have sold phones to people who thought their old phone was dying and that they needed to get a new one, when really all they needed was a battery. I think they should address that issue.

“For years”? iOS 10.2.1 was released on Jan 23 2917 and only affected the iPhone 6 and 6S. Before that, your dying device was your own issue only. The iPhone 7 was added to the same feature recently.

Given the above, please explain how this has been happening for years?

Having said that, Apple have messed up handling this one as people just see “slowing down old device” and make stupid assumptions. Given that battery health information is available in the OS (third party apps can access it), that information should have been visible ages ago, the throttling should be optional and a dirty great message should have been displayed at the time.
 
There were some issues with faulty batteries not too long ago, affecting the 6s. A lot of signs pointed to the 6s Plus being plagued by the same issue, but Apple would only admit to the problem being present on the 6s (and only a limited number thereof), for which they launched a replacement program. I have a 6s Plus, and its battery behavior was always extremely weird compared to all other iOS devices I ever owned.

Given that 95% of all interesting details about battery info magically disappeared in the first major iOS update a few months after the release of 6s/6s Plus, I have a sneaking suspicion that the purpose was to make it impossible for 6s/6s Plus users to compare battery data and arrive at some collective Eureka moment that would force Apple to expand the replacement program to every 6s/6s Plus out there.

It wasn't just the 6S and never was. Apple knew this - all versions past the 6 were defective. Including the 7-8 and even the X. They tried to cover it up with a software implementation that also just conveniently helped their sales while saving face with the public.

They will lose billions of dollars, and the settlement will be one of the largest of all-time. Cook is out as CEO (not yet - that would look bad for the lawsuits). About a year or so, maybe.
 
With the throttling issue independent from that of remaining battery capacity, does the 80% rule still apply to the battery replacement price reduction?
Most users won't even know about their sub-par batteries until Apple puts the info in the next iOS version next year, which leaves only a few months remaining of 2018 for the only less-than-a-year price reduction. Most users are easily pleased with a few dollars thrown their way. Apple would behave the same next time.
 
Nobody suspected their phones were slow when their batteries not only seemed fine, but report as "Healthy" status by Apple's diagnostics.

because slow performance isn't just about a bad battery. corrupt software etc can also cause slow downs which is why doing a 'reset all settings' or factory restore of your device can change performance, sometimes massively
 
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they had nothing to stand on anyway. there are terms in the T&C that allow for Apple making the kind of changes they did, so not sorry that folks don't bother to read those Terms. Plus the claim that Apple was forcing folks to upgrade to a new iPhone was utter bull. they have been doing battery replacements for years.

How would anyone have know to replace their battery when the battery seemed fine and Apple techs reported as "Healthy"?
 
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