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No Reason to have to Pay for a New Battery! Purposely written code to drive upgrade sales of new Phones and now we are held hostage to pay for a new battery no matter the reduced fee. Continue the Lawsuits...Apple has lost their way and Tim Cook's comp announced today is an insult to injury! "I need to fly private jets"

Apple already has a free battery replacement programme for certain 6s models

https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/
 
You are moving goal posts here. My point was that they are making $50 less profit on a battery change and you are talking about longterm devaluation and something about $10 eBay batteries...I don't know, but I am not following.

79-29 = 50 .

What is your point ? Are you trying to explain to me .....that my point is that Apple has taken a long term devaluation hit? Nope not my point ....but thanks for trying to lead me down that rabbit hole , feel free to debate with yourself , as that is not my point .
That’s what he does.
 
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You’re completely right. I don’t HAVE to upgrade. However I bought the 6S Plus because it was the fastest and latest iPhone at the time it was released. I expect it to remain as fast as I bought it. I understand that newer phones have been released that far out perform my older 6S Plus, but this is the exact argument. I was more than happy with its performance. It worked perfectly fine for how I used it... until Apple decided to intentionally clipped its wings... without asking me first!

Check your serial here you may be due a FREE battery replacement and this bulitin has been around for months

https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/
 
Why did this start with the iPhone 6? Were older iPhone batteries that much better?
That’s when iPhones became impossibly thin.
Sure, but the iPhone 6 (and 6s) real-life battery life (at least during it first year) wasn't worse than than that of the iPhone 5 or 5s. So, while the volume (or thickness, not sure if that matters) of the battery might have gone down, battery capacity was 'large enough' (to achieve set goals for battery life). What wasn't large enough was the maximum current the battery could produce after, let's say, 300 charge cycles, and being discharged to 30% or less (and being in the cold).

Or, viewed differently, the current draw of the A8 and A9 (and iOS 10) was too large for a moderately degraded battery (note, the sudden shutdowns really started with iOS 10 and thus iPhone 6 batteries that were up to two years old and iPhone 6s batteries that were up to one year old).

So, what changed with the iPhone 6 (and probably iOS 10) was the ratio between maximum current draw (when the CPU was running at full throttle) and average power consumption (which determines daily battery life). Or possibly, the ratio between total power supply of the battery and maximum current supply. This ratio went up such that batteries 'failed' in the maximum current supply measure well before they failed in the total power supply. If your battery life falls to 50% of its original value, you'll likely replace the battery and if at that time, the maximum current the battery could supply was still sufficient, you'll never run into this slowdown condition.
 
Tim Cook sold $43M worth of company stock on August. I wonder why he did that?

Maybe because it's the most basic thing in investing? You dont have all your stuff in one basket. Heard about diversification? Is this place frequented by kids who don't understand how the real world works?
 
This is good news for those of us that didn't doubt Apple's good intentions in the first place.

For others, this is just more "proof" that Apple is corrupt and more ammo for the "everything sucks" rhetoric.
This is the solution Apple PR came up to bridge the gap between the caught moment and the launch of a near future iOS “feature” that will inform you that the belated needs replacement otherwise the iPhone performance will be affected.
 
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Nice graph. Did you consider battery tech improved over that time ? Allowing smaller batteries to have the same capacity ?

Again, irrelevant to the conversation we were having, and still my statement is correct anyway.
 
Yes of course, if you made the phone thicker you could fit in a bigger battery, but that is disregarding everything else that goes into engineering a smartphone, and that is not what we're talking about anyway.

As it is, the thickness of iPhones is not related to the battery capacity of said iPhones.
That's exactly the point - they've crammed in lots of other stuff but stayed with a package that's about the same size. Something has to give somewhere.
 
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Well 81% at less than 500 cycles would show up as healthy on Apple's diagnostics.
Which was part of the problem. If Apple had used a criterium such as if-we-need-to-slow-down-this-phone-by-more-than-20%-to-prevent-sudden-shutdowns-the-battery-is-worth-replacing, this situation would have been much less critical. And not only in regard to warranty replacements but also in regard to whether an Apple genius would recommend a battery replacement for an out-of-warranty phone.

What I still haven't heard anything about is whether those slowdowns were applied in a nuanced manner. Starting with there being no slowdowns when the phone was plugged in and no slowdowns if the phone had a battery charge of larger than, eg, 50% (a number that obviously would be different for every phone and also be a function of temperature). And with the slowdowns being progressive as the battery charge level drops (as well as the battery temperature drops).
 
Can I just ask why you're so sure of that?
They said that in a statement. Also I ve been using iphones since 2011, brand new or second hand, with bad, degraded batteries, and never noticed low scores on any geekbench apps.
 
That's exactly the point - they've crammed in lots of other stuff but stayed with a package that's about the same size. Something has to give somewhere.

Size of the device doesn't really matter because the capacity has increased anyway.

And the thing is that capacity doesn't really matter either, because all batteries degrade anyway and it still would have been a fight between longevity and speed in the end.

So the whole thing is a redundant argument anyway.
 
Let me ask you this. Would a thicker phone enable the use of a bigger battery? Of course they are related. Wow, just wow. Try getting a 10mm thick battery in a 9mm thick phone and tell me again how there is no relation.
You imply that the thinner devices came with a shorter battery life. Which you know isn't true. Yes, making the phones thinner meant that battery life was not improving as components got smaller and battery technology improved. But "not improving" is not the same as "getting worse".
 
Too late, and the reason most of us are angry. I replaced the 6S Plus with an 8 Plus at considerable cost as I believed it to becoming old, dated and slow.
It’s not too late you just didn’t see to notice !

That said you upgraded for the right reason the 8 plus IS a more powerful device
 
That's exactly the point - they've crammed in lots of other stuff but stayed with a package that's about the same size. Something has to give somewhere.
Except that battery life didn't "give". What "gave" was maximum current supply (at low charge levels and low temperatures) after maybe half the nominal battery life (measured, eg, in battery charge cycles). And it is possible that it wasn't mostly the maximum current supply that "gave" but the bigger problem was the higher maximum current draw of the A8 and later.
 
My comment may be out of place here but I'd like to discuss.

I believe that since iOS11 came out not only have I seen a performance degradation on my iphone 6S. I can live with it though, I have not been very badly hit although the keyboard lagging is really unconfortable sometimes. The battery is not to be blamed here since I had it replaced last May and I have tested it with some apps and shows good health. iOS11 is too much CPU consuming for a 6S, that's my opinion.

But what I want to bring out is that I have also seen a very significant battery drain, and from what I have seen many many people are dealing with this issue too. So much I now have to carry a charger and/or an external battery with me at all times because I won't reach my home at night with my phone turned on. I get 6 to 10 hours battery at most. Before iOS11 I hardly needed to charge it until arriving home.

What does this have to do with the powerd 'feature'? In my opinion, nothing. It is contradictory. If I correctly understood what Apple did, the powerd feature is supposed to save battery, since it prevents the phone from peak CPU cycles that may hurt and already aged battery. So battery life should be longer and no shorter. It would not be my case anyway, since as I said, my battery is quite new.

So why is not this in the news? I know I am not alone.
 
Jepp, sucks for me as well. Hope they fix the underlying issue. I’m all Apple but this sucks so hard.

The underlying issue is a limitation of Li-ion technology. Good luck fixing that without a huge leap in battery tech.
 
I bought an iPhone 8 to replace my 6. Shame on apple. The phone was unusable.... 10 seconds to open camera app and to open whatsapp or send a photo..... and now they tell this? WTF apple.... you lost points with this not transparent planned obsolescence
You honestly believe that slowing down the CPU by 20 to 50% (about what the Geekbench numbers show) could explain such a slow performance? You might have been affected by the CPU slowdown, but your phone had significant other problems on top of that. They could have been software related, there have been reports about significant improvements in speed after an OS re-install.
 
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