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Looks like HTC and Motorola can design a phone without scamming the customers and throttling their posession after a year. So Apple is still bulls******g us with their conveniently made up story AND charging US to cover it up again!

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...ont-slow-processor-speeds-old-batteries-apple

HTC and Motorola don't push out software updates that fix things. This is hardly news. If you want bug fixes and new software updates you have to buy a new Android phone twice a year.
 
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You could be right, I have never tried it as I’ve never needed to. But I think there would be more of a leg to stand on if the actual performance of the device has been degraded due to the battery.

If the phone maintained its top performance level but just had a shorter battery life (as in lasted 12 hours instead of 24) then I can understand. My rationale is more to the point that the actual performance has been altered therefore the phone isn’t working as intended.

Happy to be proven wrong though as I don’t know the more intricate details about the sales of goods act.

Actual performance only gets altered (throttled) in specific critical situations, not all the time. Read the Apple information provided with yesterday's press release:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387

https://www.apple.com/batteries/maximizing-performance/

Enough with the Sale Of Goods Act. Apple made no guarantees that their batteries would last X years and/or that performance wouldn't be impacted by battery degradation.
 
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The average user doesn't do internet search or use the App Store to add functionality? That's a new one.

Why would the average user check thier battery cycle ? Apple also agrees, as they don't include the feature in iOS .....

Now that this has happened .... trust levels have been altered, so sure, maybe a few more might use the App Store to add that functionality , cause they trust Apple ;)
 
You do get that some countries have good consumer protection laws? And Apple avoided replacement? They choose the cheapest method to deal with the situation.

Batteries die, they aren't obligated to have them last forever. They tried to prolong the life of people's phones with bad batteries and they weren't transparent about it (their only fault). They should have just let the phones die and people would either buy new ones or go to a new platform.
 
Actual performance only gets altered (throttled) in specific critical situations, not all the time. Read the Apple information provided with yesterday's press release:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387

https://www.apple.com/batteries/maximizing-performance/

Enough with the Sale Of Goods Act. Apple made no guarantees that their batteries would last X years and/or that performance wouldn't be impacted by battery degradation.

Thanks for the links will take a look.

You’re right they didn’t, which is precisely why the act exists, to protect the consumer.
 
Actual performance only gets altered (throttled) in specific critical situations, not all the time. Read the Apple information provided with yesterday's press release:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387

https://www.apple.com/batteries/maximizing-performance/

Enough with the Sale Of Goods Act. Apple made no guarantees that their batteries would last X years and/or that performance wouldn't be impacted by battery degradation.

Ha ha ha , you might want to jump to the Reddit post, instead of linking from Apple.com - cause Apple have been upfront about this whole thing.... yup roll eyes
 
I don’t think this was needed at all as most logical people can see why they did this. I do feel that she should have been a bit more transparent about the issue, but I understand why they weren’t. People are irrational. Either way, good on them for doing something to help those who felt wronged about the issue. They certainly didn’t have to and it shows what kind of company Apple is.

Apple is the best.

I agree they didn't need to do any of this, but they love their customers and they want to make as many people as happy as possible.
 
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They said that in a statement. Also I ve been using iphones since 2011, brand new or second hand, with bad, degraded batteries, and never noticed low scores on any geekbench apps.
Oh right. Personally I've never geekbenched my phone and while it's anecdotal my 5S did seem slower after upgrades. Can't check that now as I don't have it.
One thing I find telling is that the statement from Apple is incomplete. They said they had been modifying how the CPU runs on the 6 and upward as of iOSx. What they didn't say is that they had not done the same on earlier phones. They didn't give a statement that closes it all down.

Remember a certain Mr. Clinton? Now whilst he was lying his statement was nevertheless definitive, Apple could have been equally definitive by appending the original statement with, 'Apple have not applied any such measures to any earlier model of iPhone'.
 
Why would the average user check thier battery cycle ? Apple also agrees, as they don't include the feature in iOS .....

Now that this has happened .... trust levels have been altered, so sure, maybe a few more might use the App Store to add that functionality , cause they trust Apple ;)
Not sure what the comment on trust means. I “trust” Apple today the same as I “trusted” them 1 year ago.:cool: I’m not going waste time digging into battery diagnostics.
 
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You got me Apple. I sold my 6 plus that I liked because it slowed to a crawl. It's gone now so I can't take advantage of you trying to fix the damage you caused to folks like me. I did what ya wanted though, I bought an 8 plus. You know, your secret upgrade program. You pr**ks.

Ah, so it never dawned on you that all those "IPHONE BATTERY REPLACEMENT WHILE YOU WAIT" kiosks at the local mall actually did battery replacements for iPhones?

Apple didn't "get you". You got yourself. Sold your iPhone 6 for no reason. At the BMW dealership no one told me that my tires needed to be replaced after 20,000 miles yet a) I replaced my tires when their lifespan was up and b) I didn't buy a new car because of the worn tires.
 
Throttling only occurs when the relative processor load/charge level could potentially trigger an auto shutdown to prevent damage to the phone.

Which, judging from the experiences of many people, happens so very often, that from the resulting overall slowdown they feel they have no other resort than to buy a new device.

Yet all they needed to regain normal operating speed was a new battery, and had no way to know it.
 
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Batteries die, they aren't obligated to have them last forever. They tried to prolong the life of people's phones with bad batteries and they weren't transparent about it (their only fault). They should have just let the phones die and people would either buy new ones or go to a new platform.

A battery must also be sold to the consumer that is fit for purpose , and that purpose is not to die within 12 months, so you buy the new device. And here Apple and strong consumer laws will disagree.

I have no issue with battery dieing, I have an issue with Apple deciding if I can replace the battery in my device .
 
Not disclosing the technical aspects of fixing the unexpected shutdowns is not "lying". They never said "we are not slowing phones down when their battery goes bad".

They never said they did either.


If you significant other cheats on you, and doesn't tell you. Does that mean it never happened?
 
I never said anything about Apple repaceing my battery. I'd rather do it myself and avoid waiting at an Apple store.

So, you do it yourself, mess it up, and expect free support when you turn up at an Apple Store with your tail between your legs? Ain't gonna happen.

A company is perfectly at liberty to insist that unauthorised repairs void your warranty. Happens all the time.

I'm glad that Apple are to offer new batteries at a sensible price which, I imagine, will be at cost. To date, the price they've been charging is a money spinner. Whilst they limit the ways in which you can replace your battery, there's no way Apple should be using battery replacement as a money-making opportunity.
 
Ah, so it never dawned on you that all those "IPHONE BATTERY REPLACEMENT WHILE YOU WAIT" kiosks at the local mall actually did battery replacements for iPhones?

Apple didn't "get you". You got yourself. Sold your iPhone 6 for no reason. At the BMW dealership no one told me that my tires needed to be replaced after 20,000 miles yet a) I replaced my tires when their lifespan was up and b) I didn't buy a new car because of the worn tires.

And yet, once again ...

Your tire wear was CLEARLY visible and there was no indicator saying "your tires are still in good shape" and when you took it to a dealer mechanic (presumably people who would know better) they did NOT say "no, we won't replace those, because they are still good."

The battery on the iPhones is NOT visible, the battery indicators were saying "all good" and, for a number of folks, the Geniuses said "no, you don't need to replace the battery."

See the difference?
 
It wasn’t an argument to begin with. Just stating a fact.



No I never said that. Apple should’ve been more transparent about this whole issue from the moment they released their OS update, that’s for sure. But I believe Apple’s response is more than adequate and people whining that 29 bucks is too expensive and are deluded into thinking a new battery should be free can go find this imaginary alternative that offers them these things.

I don’t think it’s Apple’s job to placate people’s exaggerated sense of entitlement.

Entitlement?

Expecting ones phone to run at the speeds one purchased it at is now entitlement?

Apple sold a phone with a battery that could not run the phone at its original speeds after a period of time. If it tried it shut down.

Instead of fixing the problem (battery) they slowed down the phone. And they didn't tell people they did it.

Which option was cheaper for them?
 
Why would the average user check thier battery cycle ? Apple also agrees, as they don't include the feature in iOS .....

So then what's the problem? It sounded like you were complaining that Apple didn't include that function within iOS itself, but now you're saying that the average customer wouldn't care anyway and would never search for or install that function through a 3rd party app.
 
For all the people complaining saying Apple is intentionally providing a crap experience either because of planned obsolecense or because they don’t care or whatever you’re basically saying Apple customers are iSheep that will keep buying from Apple no matter what their experience is like just because they’re part of a cult or to lazy to buy something else or whatever. What complete and utter nonsense. It’s as stupid as the Apple intentionally restricts supply to create a false sense of demand we get every year iPhone is released. Nonsense. Nonsense. Nonsense.

Just as defending and justifying every move Apple makes is nonsense.
 
Yeap, they got caught by a group of intrigued users, backed up by the makers of Geekbench and iFixit even comfirmed it..
This was one conspiracy theory proved right and admitted to by the corporation.. we await to see how much fallout this will lead to with Apple.

Speaking of ifixit... there was surely an unintended consequence. They just helped kill off one of the cash cows of their own business. No way they can compete with the Apple battery offer...
 
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